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COPS PUT GPS TRACKER ON MAN’S CAR, CHARGE HIM WITH THEFT FOR REMOVING IT

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So... How do you know if police had a warrant and installed a GPS tracker on your car? Do they straight up tell you?

Otherwise, finding some strange device on your car and removing it without knowing what it's for, even more so if there's nothing on it identifying it, doesn't make you a thief. If you didn't know what it was or who put it there, of course any reasonable person would remove it.

The state is certainly applying double standards here and I hope the supreme court will find this ridiculous as well, even if the man is clearly guilty of other crimes, he shouldn't be labelled a thief.


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3 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

So... How do you know if police had a warrant and installed a GPS tracker on your car? Do they straight up tell you?

they wont tell you because they are legally spying on you and a judge needs to clear that

 

a valid claim can be made that the driver of the car thought that their ex was tracking them.

 

the state over charges in every single case they do, they do it in order to get a plea deal so they can clear as many cases as they can with minimal effort.

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2 hours ago, amdorintel said:

the easiest thing to do is drive around until you are 110% sure no one is following you.

then rip the gps tracker off, and put it on a different car, but rip it off while you are 4 stories down in a parkade

 

 

Stick it on a cop car!

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5 hours ago, Nena360 said:

How was China the worst again? 😄

Well for one China tracks every single citizen regardless if they are a meth head or not. 👀


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14 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

Well for one China tracks every single citizen regardless if they are a meth head or not. 👀

I’m not sure if every single citizen is accurate.  There is a lot more checking in chinese tiered cities than in the interior where most of the population live.  Of course the interior is almost like a different country I have been given to understand.

 

perhaps a narrow point.


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11 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Doesn’t matter.  It’s not the actual problem I think.  IF the original problem isn’t killed on its own merits THEN this one might need to be dealt with.

If I was a lawyer for this guy I'd be pushing this straight to jury trial.

 

Seems remarkably easy to make the argument "you find a device attached to your car, you didn't put it there, it wasn't there before, literally anyone would have removed it. If anything, it's the governments own fault for putting it in such an easy to find spot.".

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So, I talked to my roommate, a former investigator, and his take is that this is just another abuse of power by a judge and corrupt cops.  You can't expect a civilian to know that your device is government property if it is unmarked.  Removing it should be expected, especially considering they found a foreign, to them, device on their car.  This won't likely hold up well in court for the investigators, but then again if it goes into the same corrupt judge's court room then it likely would.  However, you have to factor the jury in too.


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3 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

So, I talked to my roommate, a former investigator, and his take is that this is just another abuse of power by a judge and corrupt cops.  You can't expect a civilian to know that your device is government property if it is unmarked.  Removing it should be expected, especially considering they found a foreign, to them, device on their car.  This won't likely hold up well in court for the investigators, but then again if it goes into the same corrupt judge's court room then it likely would.  However, you have to factor the jury in too.

It’s Illinois state Supreme Court.  Original judge or jury not a factor. @mr moose also provided a video which has a more in depth and very different timeline.


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The main issue here is that they used the remove to justify an illegal search (meaning without a warrant) of the man's home. This could set precedent as a way to circumvent obtaining a warrant for searches as they could just not secure the device fully and when it falls off claim that the suspect removed it and then proceed to do the search they so desperately want to do. They could also attach it without a fully charged battery and wait for it to shut off and use that as justification to perform the search. The most terrifying aspect of this is the precedent it will set if it's not struck down by the SC. My guess is that it's far easier to obtain a warrant to monitor the location of someone's vehicle versus obtaining one to search someone's home...

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1 minute ago, imreloadin said:

The main issue here is that they used the remove to justify an illegal search (meaning without a warrant) of the man's home. This could set precedent as a way to circumvent obtaining a warrant for searches as they could just not secure the device fully and when it falls off claim that the suspect removed it and then proceed to do the search they so desperately want to do. They could also attach it without a fully charged battery and wait for it to shut off and use that as justification to perform the search. The most terrifying aspect of this is the precedent it will set if it's not struck down by the SC. My guess is that it's far easier to obtain a warrant to monitor the location of someone's vehicle versus obtaining one to search someone's home...

As far as I can see literally Nothing was done without warrants.  There were apparently 3 different ones.  The third one was apparently fairly expansive and covered the inside of the house. (See @mr moose’s video) The question is should the second warrant have been granted in the first place?


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Yeah there's to much info missing to make an educated guestimation on how things should proceed. So im not gonna mix into it anymore.
Just glad i dont live in a damn police state like that. :)

 


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17 minutes ago, HanZie82 said:

Yeah there's to much info missing to make an educated guestimation on how things should proceed. So im not gonna mix into it anymore.
Just glad i dont live in a damn police state like that. :)

 

Yeah.  I’m too old to leave or I would.  It’s scary in here and getting worse.


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35 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

It’s Illinois state Supreme Court.  Original judge or jury not a factor. @mr moose also provided a video which has a more in depth and very different timeline.

Well, I showed my roommate that video.   He agreed with him, said for all he knew it could have been homemade bomb, and that the cops kinda overreached what they could have searched.  He's saying, from a former federal investigator's standpoint, this sounds like bs.


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