AM4 Mobo Roundup - Bullzoids Actually Hardcore Overclocking

[amdorintel]

Buildzoid's massive AM4 motherboard roundup 2019 // ALL X570 X470 and B450

 

I listened to the video, making notes on all he said. He talks quite fast so I had to listen to it several times. It was in OpenOffice, but when saved it goes to MS Word. I tried to keep the linked info together. I also tried to keep the pricing together from $^ to $\/

 

I know I did not get everything, alot of his skips I tried to keep track of, but stopped writing them down. Which is the second half of the copy paste.

 

 

Remember the guy is an overclocking wizard so bare that in mind.

 

Tell me if you agree with Bullzoid or not, what needs to be changed, any backing information for the changes other, but opinions are good to have.

 

Updated, Dec 11, 2019, but still maybe some overlap.

 

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ASRock X570 Creator                                                   $500

Thunderbolt 3, 10GB LAN, great vrm, m.2, post code, reset

Best featured board

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*All other TB3 are from ASRock

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MSI Pretisge X570 Creation                                          $500

lots of back io, no bios flashback, no tb3, has 10gb lan

great rear i/o, 10gig lan, doesn’t have bios flashback, no tb3, 1gb intel, msi bios is a bonus, better then asrock bios

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ASUS ROG Crosshair 8 Impact Mini DTX                  $430

extreme oc, good memory oc, weaker vrm, not budget conscience.

Rally car of the mobo world. 2 dimm slots, killer at mem oc

Competitive ocing.

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ASUS ROG Crosshair 8 Hero                        wifi ver. $380

Comes with wifi, great all around board, only issue is master is better

Non wifi version is cheaper, gb master is better bc of bios.

GB Master is equal but GB Bios is better.  Non wifi is $360

ASUS Bios has gone downhill for the past few years.

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ASUS Pro WS X570-Ace                                              $370

Has x8 x8 x8, niche use case. Look for X299 instead, or threadripper. Pcie lanes!!!!!!

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Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master **************          $360

Wifi, dual bios, clear bios, post code, q flash

great buy! Favorite Board.

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MSI MEG Unify X570                                                  $340

Ace minus a lan port, less bling, all around good oc, but get the taichi. Nothing wrong with the ace, consider unify.

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ASRock X570 Taichi         $280

clunky bios, no dual lan, solid choice, does everything, full feature, 12 phase vrm. The Taichi does everything the msi meg unify does, but cheaper

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ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming X                               $330

Like a Taichi but with an extra lan port, taichi is a hell of a lot cheaper,

Dual lan, post code, oc features.

Could spend $20 and get the master.

8 sata ports is a good feature.

ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming                               $315

Post code in a dumb location, t/s leds, vrm is really solid, dual lan, wifi, bios flashback, no clear cmos on rear io kinda sux, also has 8 sata ports,

Between phantom gaming x and this board, take this board.

ASRock X570 Taichi                                                      $280

Great board, asrock bios is clunky, for the price its great, fully featured, post code, 12 phase vrm, clear cmos on rear i/o, pwr button, reset button, bios flashback, no dual lan, solid board, does a little bit of everything. No dual lan which price range offers.

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ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate                                      $260

10GB lan, weaker mem oc then the x570 board. No pcie4.0 which is a gimmick. 2080ti is far from maxing out, maybe a 5080ti before pcie4.0 being useful, by that time the cpu will be the bottleneck.

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ASUS Rog Strix X570 I-Gaming    $250

Most favorite itx mobo, strongest vrm for itx 570

no post code, no clear cmos, not for extreme oc

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ASUS Rog Crosshair 7 Hero                          $230

less pcie 4.0, so many oc features for the price, great board, post code, bios, x470, wifi or not $20 difference

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GB X570 Aorus Pro WIFI ATX                      $257

The Taichi exists.

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ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming MiniITX $250

Favorite itx board, strongest vrm, no post code, no clear cmos, slow mode, and no other extreme oc features. Still a great board!

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ASUS ROG Strix X570-F Gaming                $240

Better pick then the X570-pro because.

Bios flashback, solid choice, no wifi for price range.

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ASRock X570 Extreme 4                                $235

Only good for wifi 6

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ASUS Crosshair 7 Hero Wifi                          $230

o/c features and don’t care for pcie 4.0 great board, one of the few high index x470 boards, so many o/c features. Post code, clear cmos.

Non wifi version is $10 cheaper

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 GB X570-I Aorus Pro Wifi                            $220

12 core or 16 core and oc them solid choice. Heat sink on it is kinda terrible.

Strix maybe a better choice, better vrm strix 33% better and vrm fan.

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Gigabyte X570 Aurus Elite wifi      $210

Good value, good vrm, no t/s features but does have bios flashback

intel lan 1gb, no debug features.

– or ASUS TUFF Gaming Wifi

no debug features sux

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GB X570 Aorus Elite ATX                              $200

No wifi, solid vrm, intel lan, no better combo at price, no debug features

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ASUS TUF Gaming X570 Plus wifi                             $195

Wifi, solid vrm, some t/s features. Heat sink is better then the elite.

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ASRock X570 Steel Legend wifi                                  $195

Wifi 6

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ASUS Tuf Gaming X570 Plus                                       $165

No wifi, solid vrm, good heatsink, t/s leads

real tek lan, solid board for price range.

This is the starting point for the 16 core to o/c.

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dont get elite wifi

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ASRock X570 Phatom Gaming 4 Wifi                         $161

Cheap wifi 6, vrm is not impressive

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ASRock X570 Steel Legend ATX                                 $160

Get the TUF Gaming X570 Plus instead.

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MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC                               $140

Wifi, solid board. Bios flashback, light bios.

No wifi option get the msi x570-A pro $140 instead. Vrm thermals are awful on the msi x570-a pro.  8 phase can run switching freq lower. 3700x, but not 3900x

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ASUS Prime X470 Pro                                                   $132

Relatively solid board, 3900 stock, depends on airflow and if your oc, if you are not oc then its fine. Decentish board. No bios flashback. No wifi.

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ASUS Prime X570-P                                       $127

stripped down bare minimal io, bare miniumum, good board

great board, good vrm, 6 layer pcb for o/c. 3900x 3950x and oc, no wifi.

Really good bare minimum mobo

 

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GB B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi               $120

Viable for apu’s and 6 core, 8 core stock is fine. Vrm is 4+2 phase.

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MSI B450-I Gaming Plus AC                         $120

6 phase vrm using 60A power stages.

3900X is ok depends on airflow, heat sink looks anemic. Componentry is good. SLI is good.

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ASUS ROG Strix B450-F Gaming                 $116

Vrm is not great, heat sinks are relatively solid, no bios flashback. Not really a good mobo choice. Tomahawk max is better.

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MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX ATX                  $115

 

MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX                        $99

Downgrades vrm cooling, heat sink is decent. Both are solid options if you don’t want to mess around with bios updates. Do not install 3900x.

 

 

msi x570-a pro                                                 $100

ryzen 3^rd gen support, no wifi

get the gaming plus instead, both same mobo.

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MSI B450M Gaming Plus                $95

Bios flashback, 64gb in 2dimm slots, matx, 3600 3700x

Downside is the light bios, not full bios, still good.

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MSI B450M Mortar Max                                out of stock

recommended mATX

favorite mATX board

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ASUS Prime X570-P                        $130

solid vrm, rear io is minimal, could be used for 3900x/3950x

solid choice, bare minimum

ASRock X570 Pro and MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus → Get the TUF instead

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ASRock X570 Steel Legend

Gigabyte x570 UD

ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4

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ASUS TUF Gaming X570 Plus wifi              $195

wifi + solid vrm = good option

some t/s features, heatsink is better then GB X570 Aurus Elite

TUF good for  SLI

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ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus                      $165

no wifi, solid mobo, real tek lan

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asus tuf gaming x570 plus wifi                       $200

good vrm, good heatsinks

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the GB Aorus Elite has wifi

b450 110

x570 $200

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ASROck X570 Taichi

great feature set

X470 Taichi Ultimate has 10GB Lan

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ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming

great board

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ASUS TUF X570 Gaming Plus

real tek lan, no wifi, 16 core o/c

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ASUS TUF X570 Gaming               $167

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ASUS X570 P Prime                         $130

good choice

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ASUS Prime X470-pro                    $133

^is better then MSI X470 Gaming Plus $130

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Gigabyte B450 I Aurus Pro Wifi                    $120

viable for apus or 6 core

can use 8 core stock, dont oc

4+2 phase vrm, vrm heatsink not good for oc

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MSI B450 I Gaming Plus AC                          $120

maybe 3900x/3950x depends on airflow

60A power stages, 6 phase vrm

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ASUS ROG Strix B450-F Gaming                 $116

vrm is not great, heat sink is somewhat solid, no bios flashback?

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msi b450 tomahawk max                 $114

support out of the box for 3^rd gen ryzen

this board is better then the rog strix b450 f gaming

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msi b450 gaming plus max                             $100

downgrade in vrm cooling from tomahawk max but mobo makes sense

msi b450-a pro max same as above

MSI B450-A Pro Max, same mobo

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msi b450m gaming plus                   $95

noteworthy mobo

has bios flashback, stuck on light bios<--its relatively good

vrm, 3600x 3700x

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GB Aorus Elite $200

GB X570 Aorus Pro Wifi $270 – SLI Support, More Features, More PCIe

GB X570 Aorus Ultra $300 – More m.2 and better vrm

GB Master $360 – Upgrade VRM, More o/c features

GB Xtreme $700 – Everything up to 11

 

BIOS Ease of Use

MSI + GB are tied – lack in features but they work and is smooth

ASUS

ASRock is the lowest, lots of settings that some may not work, if it works might be clunky,

 

ASUS ROG Strix B4560-I Gaming – Great for APU 2400G, precision boost overdrive

 

MSI B450I Gaming Plus AC – impressive mobo

 

Better vrms doesn’t help cpu

For x570 is good for 12 core and 16 core, high core count

 

VALUE 8c/16t 3700x = 9900K + 2080ti

3700X/3800C don’t care about vrm, draws less vrm then 2600

 

Super overclocking focus – vrms are important

8 core for editing

 

 

 

 

2600 cpu is cheap and good

 

 

 

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Spoiler

 

Bios Flashback only good for next gen amd

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Bios

#1 MSI (Friendliest)

#1a Gigabyte

#1b EVGA

#2 ASUS

#3 ASRock

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wifi 6 (2019)

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itx mobo of x470 better vrm then b450, difference is pcie slots, itx only has 1 pcie slot

itx mobo of x470 is not worth it, mentioned previously.

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3600 and 3700x dont need vrm so dont use x570 mobo

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x570 then use 3900x/3950x

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pcie 4.0 is a gimmick

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Not Good

MSI Meg X570 has niche use

ASUS Reo WS X570- Ace has niche use

Aurus Ultra is dumb

MSI MPG Gaming Pro Carbon is dumb weak vrm @ $240

ASRock X470 Taichi doesnt make sense

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Nothing wrong

MSI MEG X570 ACE the unify does the same but cheaper.

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ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming X

dual lan, 8 sata ports, like the taichi but with one extra lan port, taichi is cheaper or take the ASUS ROG Strix X570 E-Gaming because it has good vrm $315

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dont buy x370, b350, a320 motherboard chipsets

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X570 mobo for cpus 3900X, 3950X

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X470 and B450is how many pci slots you have, itx only ever has one pcie slot.

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matx is a dead form factor

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bios flashback is good for 4^th gen cpus

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gb has good bios, but tied with msi and evga

then asus then asrock for bios

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Sucks

ASRock Fatility X470 Gaming K4

ASUS TUF X470-Plus Gaming

ASUS TUF B450 Pro Gaming

ASUS TUF B450 Plus Gaming

Gigabyte B450 Aurus Elite

ASROck Fatality B450 Gaming

MSI B450 Tomahawk, get the Tomahawk Max

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[Flying Sausages]

I can't watch his entire videos because he literary spend like an hour talking about one motherboard per video. I wish that he can give us like tldr videos about it. I am literary lost in the first half of the video like for real man.I doubt 98% viewers include me just want the dang summary about it like CAN IT RUN 3950X GOOD OR NAH? AND WHAT ABOUT OVERCLOCKING? And not the whole expert technical details.

[Firewrath9]

12 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

I can't watch his entire videos because he literary spend like an hour talking about one motherboard per video. I wish that he can give us like tldr videos about it. I am literary lost in the first half of the video like for real man.I doubt 98% viewers include me just want the dang summary about it like CAN IT RUN 3950X GOOD OR NAH? AND WHAT ABOUT OVERCLOCKING? And not the whole expert technical details.

I watch his videos at 1.25x speed. It's not that bad, I usually do something else like grind gacha games while I'm watching it, or if I'm doing menial tasks (cleaning up, waiting for benchmarks to finish, etc.)

[Flying Sausages]

1 minute ago, Firewrath9 said:

I watch his videos at 1.25x speed. It's not that bad, I usually do something else like grind gacha games while I'm watching it, or if I'm doing menial tasks (cleaning up, waiting for benchmarks to finish, etc.)

But do you understand what is he talking about? I don't because I am not that in depth mobo technical details person.

[GDRRiley]

Noooo m-ATX don't die on me.

I wanted to keep my 350D for the next 10 years. It is big enough and has support for custom water cooling if I ever wanted to go that way.

[amdorintel]

51 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

I wish that he can give us like tldr videos about it.

I know exactly how you feel on that matter. I would like to know how old the guy is, I am bad at judging age.

I literally just watched that video again, and added a little bit more info.

The problem is he jumps around so much, then he corrects himself.

I believe if the guy actually planned out his videos, and wrote stuff down, it would be much easier to listen to. Even if he just made a list from pcpartpicker, but  made a presentation on with word, would be good too.

 

I believe the other posters 1.25x speed is a joke on the fact that bullzoid talks fucking fast, his thoughts are organized enough but with maturity and age comes, hopefully, an easier communication style.

 

I will do another copy and paste dump, from my hand written notes.

 

The starting price point is around $100 for a good mb, $150 should be whats aimed for, $200 if you are richer then of course it goes up and up and up from there.

 

Be cool to get info into a spreadsheet with all the features, bios flashback, clear cmos, whatever else there is.

 

 

[Firewrath9]

1 hour ago, OlympicAssEater said:

But do you understand what is he talking about? I don't because I am not that in depth mobo technical details person.

Basically most of it yeah.

He primarily talks about 3 things:

VRM

OC Features

Other stuffs (audio, lan)

 

VRM is comprised of 3 key parts

Vcore Power stages/mosfets and how many there are

Controller and doublers

Heatsink

other less important voltages like SOC.

 

Power stages generally higher Amp rating is better (i.e. 60A vs 50A), but not always. Buildzoid goes over their efficiencies during their PCB breakdowns. 

Controller basically controls the power stages and balances the current, doublers basically double and add a little delay.

Heatsink, sinks heat.

other VRMs generally can be ignored (SOC, DDR, etc.)

 

OC features:

clear CMOS,

Troubleshooting LEDs

Post Code

bios flashback

 

those should pretty self-explanatory, as are other stuffs. BZ does then to ramble and go off-topic a lot, tho.

[Samfisher]

Seemed to have skipped x570 Auros Pro/Wifi.

[amdorintel]

19 hours ago, Samfisher said:

Seemed to have skipped x570 Auros Pro/Wifi.

18:21 Gigabyte X570 ITX Aorus Pro Wi-Fi

good for a 12 or 16 core cpu, its a good board, wanna o/c

consider strix the vrm is 33% more on the strix - strix has a fan integrated into the vrm

more on aurus pro wifi - solid board, he jumps at saying 2nd best but doesnt confirm

heatsink is kinda terrible on aurus pro wifi

 

 

 

There is an index, stickied in the comments section.

 

I will check to see if I have it on my list, some of the wifi and non wifi's are put together

 

 

[amdorintel]

I listened to the video one last time.

A little confusion on the last outro statements where he loves the TUF but cant find the TUF, his mouse cursor then hovers over ASUS TUF X470-Plus Gaming at $133 but way way back, he states avoid! ~44.50 in the video. Then he states he mispoke and specified ASUS TUF Gaming - Plus at $165.

 

I pretty much got every word he says and stumbles over.

 

The last part of the video is a great over view of the boards he likes.

[amdorintel]

Note:

I updated the audio from the video, and now the long lists are in windows.

 

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I will likely buy this board, from bullzoids list.

ASUS Tuf Gaming X570 Plus                                       $165

No wifi, solid vrm, good heatsink, t/s leads

real tek lan, solid board for price range.

This is the starting point for the 16 core to o/c.

Another option is

MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC                               $140

Wifi, solid board. Bios flashback, light bios.

No wifi option get the msi x570-A pro $140 instead. Vrm thermals are awful on the msi x570-a pro.  8 phase can run switching freq lower. 3700x, but not 3900x

 

dont need much io in the back

ASUS Prime X570-P                                       $127

stripped down bare minimal io, bare miniumum, good board

great board, good vrm, 6 layer pcb for o/c. 3900x 3950x and oc, no wifi.

Really good bare minimum mobo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ron1999]

This video is usless .. he may as well tallk about the best Butterfly. Someone who wants a e-atx 24 core capable is not the same person who wants a solid itx option eg £700 vs £120. Go back and re-do Mr fast speaker and put some of that shit in lists even in your video. It may be longer but at least non native speakers can pause and read  .No wi-fi ? are we living in the 2000's LOL