Hold on to those christmas wishlists - AIB RX 5500 to be released + review

[Nicnac]

What’s the tdp?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

The big change I have found in general of the new cards vs the old is that the new ones don’t have dual-link,

Yeah DVI is beginning to phase out in the high end segment as cards like the 2070 Super and higher and the 5700 (XT) don't have DVI models anymore. 

But I can see it being supported for the low end just a few more years as brand new cards like the 1650 Super still have DVI and I think it would be foolish for AMD to already drop it for their 5500. Maybe in 2 generations, but not now.

[Bombastinator]

Just now, Medicate said:

Yeah DVI is beginning to phase out in the high end segment as cards like the 2070 Super and higher and the 5700 (XT) don't have DVI models anymore. 

But I can see it being supported for the low end just a few more years as brand new cards like the 1650 Super still have DVI and I think it would be foolish for AMD to already drop it for their 5500. Maybe in 2 generations, but not now.

Foolish it may be, but the card pictured did not have one.

[DrMacintosh]

On 11/28/2019 at 10:14 PM, dizmo said:

Where is your return to actual flagship cards, AMD. This is getting kind of pathetic 

AMD doesn’t make flagship cards and hasn’t for a long time. Competing with Nvidia at the high end isn’t economical because people just buy Nvidia regardless of actual performance. 
 

The low to mid-range has always been what they are good at. 

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

AMD doesn’t make flagship cards and hasn’t for a long time. Competing with Nvidia at the high end isn’t economical because people just buy Nvidia regardless of actual performance. 
 

The low to mid-range has always been what they are good at. 

Navi23 is reported to want to change that.  They’ll have to go against ampere though.  Time will tell.

[DrMacintosh]

I’d just like something on 7nm that performs better than an RX 580 that doesn’t cost $350+

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I’d just like something on 7nm that performs better than an RX 580 that doesn’t cost $350+

Buying a 580 is really tempting for me right now.  I’m worried about raytracing though.

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

AMD doesn’t make flagship cards and hasn’t for a long time. Competing with Nvidia at the high end isn’t economical because people just buy Nvidia regardless of actual performance. 
 

The low to mid-range has always been what they are good at. 

AMD don't do it on purpose.  This concept that AMD are intentionally designing and selling in the mid range is an idea people created to sooth their feelings about AMD not being able to compete.

 

Their best card is literally the best they can do right now and no company wants to be seen as mediocre.

[DrMacintosh]

17 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I’m worried about raytracing though.

Why worry about a technology that’s only in about 6 games? To add to that, most of those ray tracing implementations aren’t even touching the dedicated RT cores and are instead using vendor agnostic implementations. 

[Bombastinator]

7 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Why worry about a technology that’s only in about 6 games? To add to that, most of those ray tracing implementations aren’t even touching the dedicated RT cores and are instead using vendor agnostic implementations. 

Not the current stuff.  The pa5/Scarlett stuff

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

AMD doesn’t make flagship cards and hasn’t for a long time. Competing with Nvidia at the high end isn’t economical because people just buy Nvidia regardless of actual performance. 
 

The low to mid-range has always been what they are good at. 

If you don't give people the option in the high end, then you'll never know if they'll buy it or not.

AMD hasn't had something that competes. If they did, then people would buy it.

[DrMacintosh]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

If you don't give people the option in the high end, then you'll never know if they'll buy it or not.

The last time AMD released competitive high end cards nobody bought them then. 

[Bombastinator]

6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

The last time AMD released competitive high end cards nobody bought them then. 

You mean vega64.  The nobody-can-find-one card.

im still trying to find out if there was a vega64 released with dual-link DviD on it.  If I can find one I’ll likely buy it.  Those things are still scarce

[Zando_]

38 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

You mean vega64.  The nobody-can-find-one card.

im still trying to find out if there was a vega64 released with dual-link DviD on it.  If I can find one I’ll likely buy it.  Those things are still scarce

I've seen tons of V64s. Vega Frontier Editions as well, I even had a used one for a bit. I have a Radeon VII now, those are a good bit rarer to find in the wild. 

[Tristerin]

On 11/29/2019 at 2:19 AM, Trik'Stari said:

They're like the hi-point of the graphics card world.

 

 

On that note I have a Hi-Point C9 that's hella old, never have cleaned it and Ive plinked into the 5000+ rounds down range through it on the same mag that came with it - and have never had a FTF, stovepipe, etc out of that damn reliable boat anchor.  I like AMD too lol

[Bombastinator]

19 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I've seen tons of V64s. Vega Frontier Editions as well, I even had a used one for a bit. I have a Radeon VII now, those are a good bit rarer to find in the wild. 

Does it have a dual link DviD?

[Zando_]

2 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Does it have a dual link DviD?

No, the reference ones have one HDMI and 3 DisplayPorts. I think some AIBs put dual link DVI on some of them? Same as how FE Nvidia cards have had 1 HDMI/3DP for a while now, but AIBs put the DVI ports back.

The Vega FE I had only comes as a reference card, same as the Radeon VII.

[Bombastinator]

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

No, the reference ones have one HDMI and 3 DisplayPorts. I think some AIBs put dual link DVI on some of them? Same as how FE Nvidia cards have had 1 HDMI/3DP for a while now, but AIBs put the DVI ports back.

The Vega FE I had only comes as a reference card, same as the Radeon VII.

Thanks   I did manage to find a single vega64 model with a dvi port but confirming its dual link has been impossible so far. A ROG Vega 64.  It seems it’s the fastest card that is ever even maybe going to be able to drive my monitor.  I can’t seem to find a reliable way to do a dL-dviD to DisplayPort conversion starts least for that monitor. Thing was $500 used. Replacing it is still ~$250. I’d get g/freesynch which is nice but not $250 nice.  I’d feel bad about selling the thing to anyone.  Without a card to drive it it’s garbage.

[Zando_]

10 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Thanks   I did manage to find a single vega64 model with a dvi port but confirming its dual link has been impossible so far. A ROG Vega 64.  It seems it’s the fastest card that is ever even maybe going to be able to drive my monitor.  I can’t seem to find a reliable way to do a dL-dviD to DisplayPort conversion starts least for that monitor. Thing was $500 used. Replacing it is still ~$250. I’d get g/freesynch which is nice but not $250 nice.  I’d feel bad about selling the thing to anyone.  Without a card to drive it it’s garbage.

What are you running? Noice CRT or something?

Some 1080 Tis seem to have DVI, IDK if it's dual-link though.

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

What are you running? Noice CRT or something?

Some 1080 Tis seem to have DVI, IDK if it's dual-link though.

It’s a crossover 30q5c pro Only port is dual link dviD and it won’t run above 720p on anything else it seems.

[Bombastinator]

13 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

What are you running? Noice CRT or something?

Some 1080 Tis seem to have DVI, IDK if it's dual-link though.

I’d written off 1080tis on the grounds that they were still near a grand last I looked.  Seem that it’s now more like $450-500 though.  For about $625 I could throw away my monitor and buy a 5700x and a new monitor of equivalent size and refresh rate and get freesynch in the bargain.  Hmm..  more worries about ps5 games though...  thankyou again

[dizmo]

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

The last time AMD released competitive high end cards nobody bought them then. 

IIRC last time AMD released a high end card, it was not competitive. It was priced too high, and the performance wasn't on par with what Nvidia had to offer.

[KaitouX]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

IIRC last time AMD released a high end card, it was not competitive. It was priced too high, and the performance wasn't on par with what Nvidia had to offer.

Before Maxwell launch, at least where I live, the 780(TI) was recommended in forums and outsold the 290(X) like crazy, even when the comparison was a good 290(X) model vs the reference/blower 780(TI) at the same price or the AMD being cheaper. Good 780(TI) were quite a bit more expensive but people would pick the reference Nvidia cards over models like the Tri-X because "AMD cards are loud, hot and power hungry" even when the power consumption was similar, and the fact that blower coolers were louder than any decent coolers. The "loud and hot" was also AMD fault for that horrible reference cooler(even when it still makes no sense that non-reference coolers would get affected by this), but I always thought it was weird that 290(X) would get called power hungry but the 780(TI) were ok.

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, KaitouX said:

Before Maxwell launch, at least where I live, the 780(TI) was recommended in forums and outsold the 290(X) like crazy, even when the comparison was a good 290(X) model vs the reference/blower 780(TI) at the same price or the AMD being cheaper. Good 780(TI) were quite a bit more expensive but people would pick the reference Nvidia cards over models like the Tri-X because "AMD cards are loud, hot and power hungry" even when the power consumption was similar, and the fact that blower coolers were louder than any decent coolers. The "loud and hot" was also AMD fault for that horrible reference cooler(even when it still makes no sense that non-reference coolers would get affected by this), but I always thought it was weird that 290(X) would get called power hungry but the 780(TI) were ok.

The problem AMD had at that time was that to match the performance of Nvidia they had to release aio versions, which put the cost up making them less attractive compered even to the reference designs from Nvidia.  There's not much sales in have a cheaper version of a product when that cheaper version loses out to the competition on several different metrics.    Anyone who bought 290 or 290x's weren't left wanting for power because in someways it was just a failure to capture the market, but when consumers can get better options for their money it makes it difficult to recommend them.

[KaitouX]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

The problem AMD had at that time was that to match the performance of Nvidia they had to release aio versions, which put the cost up making them less attractive compered even to the reference designs from Nvidia.  There's not much sales in have a cheaper version of a product when that cheaper version loses out to the competition on several different metrics.    Anyone who bought 290 or 290x's weren't left wanting for power because in someways it was just a failure to capture the market, but when consumers can get better options for their money it makes it difficult to recommend them.

780 reference was without a question a worse product when at the same price as a 290 Tri-X(louder, hotter and around the same performance, with only a slightly advantage of power consumption), but it was still recommended over it. That is what i was referring to.

 

I think that both 780 reference and 290 Tri-X were costing around $700 converted at the time with some other lower-end coolers of the 290 getting closer to $650, while AIB 780 costed closer to $750, it is a huge price difference when considering that they were so similar performance wise.