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[RANT] Windows 10 refuses to accept the fact that it's update DOESN'T FUCKING WORK on my laptop...

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31 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

I've been using win10 for less than a week and have had multiple app crashes and a BSOD.

Specs of system? Also, did you perform an Upgrade Install from a previous version (7 or 8.x?) or a fresh install?

 

Do all of your components have Windows 10 certified drivers?

31 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

I have games installed on a secondary HDD and half of them just don't even launch on Win10, so I'd have to redownload them or do something in Steam etc.

Does Steam detect these games? Were they copied over from a previous install in a different OS?

31 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

There's literally no reason to "upgrade" to Win10 other than Win7 is being deprecated. I'm still seriously considering just sticking to Win7 until I maybe eventually upgrade my actual PC and am forced into Win10.

There are a lot of back-end improvements, but most of them aren't necessarily obvious (aside from the actual UI change, which is the most obvious difference). The biggest reason to get off of Windows 7 is that as of mid January 2020, you'll stop receiving security patches.

 

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't use an unpatched system on the internet. The risk of getting exploited is just too high (And I can pretty much guarantee that the day after Windows 7 loses support, malware creators are going to be targeting it like crazy - possibly with previously held Zero Day Exploits that they've been holding in anticipation).

 

If you don't want to use Windows 10 after January, I'd suggest you jump to Linux or Windows 8.1. Windows 8.1 still has support until January 2023. Install Classic Shell, and the experience is near enough Windows 7.


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On 11/29/2019 at 4:13 PM, dalekphalm said:

Specs of system? Also, did you perform an Upgrade Install from a previous version (7 or 8.x?) or a fresh install?

 

Do all of your components have Windows 10 certified drivers?

Does Steam detect these games? Were they copied over from a previous install in a different OS?

There are a lot of back-end improvements, but most of them aren't necessarily obvious (aside from the actual UI change, which is the most obvious difference). The biggest reason to get off of Windows 7 is that as of mid January 2020, you'll stop receiving security patches.

 

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't use an unpatched system on the internet. The risk of getting exploited is just too high (And I can pretty much guarantee that the day after Windows 7 loses support, malware creators are going to be targeting it like crazy - possibly with previously held Zero Day Exploits that they've been holding in anticipation).

 

If you don't want to use Windows 10 after January, I'd suggest you jump to Linux or Windows 8.1. Windows 8.1 still has support until January 2023. Install Classic Shell, and the experience is near enough Windows 7.

Point being, it's a lot of fiddling around with shit to get it to work, and the only benefit as an end user I get is a slower, harder to use UI. And multi-snapping.

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3 hours ago, JZStudios said:

Point being, it's a lot of fiddling around with shit to get it to work, and the only benefit as an end user I get is a slower, harder to use UI. And multi-snapping.

 

I only use win 10 for supposedly better Ryzen support (that's how they always get you isn't it...)  otherwise I'd use 7 or 8,  the most annoying thing about win 10 is that it's buggy as hell and Microsoft does *not* separate security updates from feature updates, they'll always smuggle some new features or "improvements" (ie bugs) in with every "security update" at least I haven't found a way to separate the two yet. 

 

 

28 minutes ago, amdorintel said:

plus you get ms spying on you

 

 

Wait, I thought I turned this all off in SU10? o.o 

(although windows definitely turns some of these settings back on by itself regularly...) 


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5 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Wait, I thought I turned this all off in SU10? o.o 

who knows man, i thought after every update microsoft turned all your changes back to default which left you wide open.

maybe ms changed that, i dont keep close enough tabs on it to care.

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33 minutes ago, amdorintel said:

plus you get ms spying on you

 

My dad doesn't even necessarily do high level classified government work anymore, but when he still has classified material on floppies and a XP machine he keeps off the network there's no way in hell he's going to "upgrade" to Win10 to have MS just have their own personal backdoor into the system. I don't think I can be convinced that's not a massive security loophole waiting to be seriously exploited if it hasn't already.

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Just now, JZStudios said:

waiting to be seriously exploited if it hasn't already.

yeah it has already been exploited, but who really knows if the "experts" out there in internet land that have told us how to close the doors if there isnt another hidden backdoor.

 

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1 minute ago, amdorintel said:

yeah it has already been exploited, but who really knows if the "experts" out there in internet land that have told us how to close the doors if there isnt another hidden backdoor.

 

Yeah, no thanks. I'm really not a fan that my PC username is just my actual name from my michaelsoft account, instead of being able to just make a local user account with a "code" name like you would in professional or secure environments. Like, at my dads shop the PCs are simply named "Front Office" I have no fucking clue how you would do that on Win10 without cheesing some shit or having to do some serious bullshit workaround.

The entire thing about it is just stupid and concerning, and I personally don't even have or do anything remotely sensitive on my PC. I still physically go to banks to check my account and deal with money.

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26 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

Yeah, no thanks. I'm really not a fan that my PC username is just my actual name from my michaelsoft account, instead of being able to just make a local user account with a "code" name like you would in professional or secure environments. Like, at my dads shop the PCs are simply named "Front Office" I have no fucking clue how you would do that on Win10 without cheesing some shit or having to do some serious bullshit workaround.

The entire thing about it is just stupid and concerning, and I personally don't even have or do anything remotely sensitive on my PC. I still physically go to banks to check my account and deal with money.

You don't need a MS account to use win 10...

 

Also honestly, why not win 8 then?  Looks better and is probably less annoying too. 


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14 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

You don't need a MS account to use win 10...

 

Also honestly, why not win 8 then?  Looks better and is probably less annoying too. 

Oh really? Care to explain why it WILL NOT let you install Win10 without linking to your MS account?

And Win8 is a piece of shit, that's why.

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9 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

Oh really? Care to explain why it WILL NOT let you install Win10 without linking to your MS account?

This isn't true. I installed win 10 many times and what it does is tricking you into thinking you need an account,  but you really do not. 

 

During installation it will ask you if you want to sign in with you MS account,  you just say no...  (create local account instead) 

 

https://www.windows10forums.com/threads/install-windows-without-a-microsoft-account.18609/

 

 

Unless they changed this *recently* that's how it always worked regardless of the installation method. 

 

9 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

And Win8 is a piece of shit, that's why.

Ok but is it shittier than 10, is the question?   ;)

 


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On 11/30/2019 at 12:13 AM, dalekphalm said:

Windows 8.1

I actually tried this. He could run into driver issues(my vega gpu for example only has drivers for win7 or 10).

 

16 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

supposedly better Ryzen support

You mean after it got updated. Meanwhile the supposedly outdated and ancient win7 was able to handle it properly without updates.... 🤣

 

16 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

Wait, I thought I turned this all off in SU10? o.o 

Its pretty much hard coded into the kernel so the only way to make sure MS wont be able to spy is to use a HW firewall and block it at the network level.

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1 hour ago, Shadow_Storm56 said:

I get 6 mounths to a year per win 10 install. Most times a windows update corrups my os and I cannot repair it or restore system image or anything. 

I'm at over a year now but I already had to restore from a backup a couple of times - at least that seems to work IF you use third party tools (I wouldn't trust the internal backup function of win 10 for shit lol)


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1 hour ago, Mark Kaine said:

I'm at over a year now but I already had to restore from a backup a couple of times - at least that seems to work IF you use third party tools (I wouldn't trust the internal backup function of win 10 for shit lol)

I always dual boot ubuntu, thus when windows dies I can just switch to it for a while

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On 11/28/2019 at 10:33 AM, RyomaSJibenG said:

umm i never seen any. at least not yet

windows 10 just works fine for me

maybe i'm just the outlier or something idk

It just works on my Grandmother's laptop, and even before the upgrade from a Pentium 4200 (that couldn't go above 1.83GHz, even though its a 2GHz CPU) to Core 2 Duo T9400, it ran Windows 10 just fine. In fact it has less issues than my old laptop with an A8 4555M (on another note, 45nm Pentium and C2D run Windows 10 far far better than their preceding 65nm counterparts).


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4 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

This isn't true. I installed win 10 many times and what it does is tricking you into thinking you need an account,  but you really do not. 

 

During installation it will ask you if you want to sign in with you MS account,  you just say no...  (create local account instead) 

 

Unless they changed this *recently* that's how it always worked regardless of the installation method. 

 

Ok but is it shittier than 10, is the question?   ;)

 

Well you're wrong.

https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

 

Oh, and I've done what they said about making a "local account" afterwards, but my c drive and everything under it is still named my MS account.

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49 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

Well you're wrong.

https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

 

Oh, and I've done what they said about making a "local account" afterwards, but my c drive and everything under it is still named my MS account.

 

So when did you initially install Windows 10?

 

If it was before the May update you could have always done what everyone else did and create a local account. 

 

And also that article is really a bit clickbaity and dare I say fishy...  

 

They even say this in it 

 

 

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Once you’ve skipped the Microsoft account creation, the old “Who’s going to use this PC?” screen will appear.

 

Basically nothing changed at all. LOL 

 

 

And for the record: I wasn't wrong at all.

 

Option is still there and *has always been there* they only slightly changed how it works


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36 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

 

So when did you initially install Windows 10?

 

If it was before the May update you could have always done what everyone else did and create a local account. 

 

And also that article is really a bit clickbaity and dare I say fishy...  

 

They even say this in it 

 

 

 

Basically nothing changed at all. LOL 

 

 

And for the record: I wasn't wrong at all.

 

Option is still there and *has always been there* they only slightly changed how it works

Delete your OS and reinstall Win10. Take a step by step screenshot with instructions on how to not make it tied to the MS account. Until you do so, my experience that I had LAST WEEK and is reflected in that post is that MS removed the option to create a local account until AFTER you've already tied it.

 

At this point you are wrong, but just deny being so and I won't argue with you further. And for the record, you are 100% wrong, and the option isn't there, and it doesn't change how it works, after making a "local account" afterwords it's still tied and named to your MS account, which is exactly what I don't want. I mean, for fucks sake, they literally have screenshots that prove you wrong. And nothing about the article is clickbaity or fishy. You CAN NOT create a local account in Win10 startup installation, unless you are completely disconnected from any network, which it fails to mention.

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You didn't even bother reading the article you linked........... 

 

 

 

 

And you did not answer my question when you initially installed win 10... (unsurprisingly) 

 


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And one more thing, it's not obvious nor intelligent that to create a local account I have to open my PC and rip out my Wifi card to install an OS. That's retarded. If I had a laptop with no wifi switch, I would have to physically take it somewhere where it has no possible network connections, or install the OS with the laptop inside a Faraday cage. That's also fucking stupid.

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3 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

You didn't even bother reading the article you linked........... 

Please explain how I didn't read the article I linked. I literally said exactly what it quoted. did you read it?

Edit* NVM, fuck it. You're just starting to annoy me. You're wrong and I'm not arguing.

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10 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

You CAN NOT create a local account in Win10 startup installation, unless you are completely disconnected from any network, which it fails to mention.

 

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How to Create a Local User Account Instead

Thankfully, there is one hidden way around this process on Windows 10 Home: You can disconnect your computer from the network.

If you have a computer with an Ethernet cable, unplug it. If you’re connected to Wi-Fi, disconnect.

After you do, try creating a Microsoft account and you’ll see a “Something went wrong” error message. You can then click “Skip” to skip the Microsoft account creation process.

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Once you’ve skipped the Microsoft account creation, the old “Who’s going to use this PC?” screen will appear. You can now create an offline account and sign in to Windows 10 without a Microsoft account—the option was there all along.

 


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@Mnky313, there's some off topic in this thread. But as this seems to be rant rather than request for help, I'm not gonna clean it unless you feel like you want to keep ranting closer to your own problem.


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