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I C eU are out of P - Europe and Middle east runs of IPv4 addresses

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RIPE NCC, an organization responsible for providing IP address in Europe and the Middle east has stated they have finally ran out of IPv4 address, a situation that has already appeared in other regions in the past 5 years.

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Today, at 15:35 (UTC+1) on 25 November 2019, we made our final /22 IPv4 allocation from the last remaining addresses in our available pool. We have now run out of IPv4 addresses.
 

Our announcement will not come as a surprise for network operators - IPv4 run-out has long been anticipated and planned for by the RIPE community. In fact, it is due to the community's responsible stewardship of these resources that we have been able to provide many thousands of new networks in our service region with /22 allocations after we reached our last /8 in 2012.

Recovered IPv4 Addresses and the Waiting List

Even though we have run out, we will continue to recover IPv4 addresses in the future. These will come from organisations that have gone out of business or are closed, or from networks that return addresses they no longer need. These addresses will be allocated to our members (LIRs) according to their position on a new waiting list that is now active.

While we therefore expect to be allocating IPv4 for some time, these small amounts will not come close to the many millions of addresses that networks in our region need today. Only LIRs that have never received an IPv4 allocation from the RIPE NCC (of any size) may request addresses from the waiting list, and they are only eligible to receive a single /24 allocation.

LIRs that have submitted an IPv4 request can see their position on the waiting list in the LIR Portal. A new graph has also been published that shows the number of requests on the waiting list and the number of days that the LIR at the front of the queue has been waiting.

Call for Greater Progress on IPv6

This event is another step on the path towards global exhaustion of the remaining IPv4 addressing space. In recent years, we have seen the emergence of an IPv4 transfer market and greater use of Carrier Grade Network Address Translation (CGNAT) in our region. There are costs and trade-offs with both approaches and neither one solves the underlying problem, which is that there are not enough IPv4 addresses for everyone.

Without wide-scale IPv6 deployment, we risk heading into a future where the growth of our Internet is unnecessarily limited - not by a lack of skilled network engineers, technical equipment or investment - but by a shortage of unique network identifiers. There is still a long way to go, and we call on all stakeholders to play their role in supporting the IPv6 roll-out.

At the RIPE NCC, we are here to support our membership and the wider RIPE community in this work. Aside from allocating the IPv6 resources that will be required, we will continue to provide advice, training, measurements and tools to help network operators as they put their deployment plans into action.

We are optimistic and excited to see what the next chapter will bring. So let's get to work - and together, let's shape the future of the Internet.

Source:https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/the-ripe-ncc-has-run-out-of-ipv4-addresses

https://www.zdnet.com/article/europe-just-ran-out-of-new-ipv4-addresses/

 


Thoughts: Considering every consumer internet capable product since the last decade have IPv6 support ISPs really need to push for IPv6 now, or else people will unethically monetize literally 12 numbers and dots for ludicrous amount of money.


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16 minutes ago, amdorintel said:

yea we cant be running out of ip addresses

what a catastrophy

Hardly. We've run out of IP-addresses multiple times by now and the world hasn't collapsed. Everyone will just continue to use NAT, just like they've been doing til now.


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6 minutes ago, Arika S said:

so they will still have IPv6 addresses assigned but only a "waiting list" on IPv4. what impact will this have on people without an IPv4 ?

None, this won't affect people already only using IPv6 at all.


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Just now, Arika S said:

Is there any restriction on what someone with only an IPv6 can do?

Not any more than before, no.


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17 minutes ago, Arika S said:

Is there any restriction on what someone with only an IPv6 can do?

the thing is, a lot of software (steam for example) only runs on ipv4. So a lot, A LOT of stuff will need to be patched, deprecated and otherwise changed if we want to live in an ipv6-only world.
 

Like, it'll come with it's own benefits even, if you only use ipv6, you dont need to deal with NAT types if you want to play peer2peer games, as we have so much ipv6 addresses every device (not person or house) can have its own.


I say that, but we're probably gonna use ipv4 within our personal homes if not forever, then for a very long time.


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4 hours ago, elfensky said:

the thing is, a lot of software (steam for example) only runs on ipv4. So a lot, A LOT of stuff will need to be patched, deprecated and otherwise changed if we want to live in an ipv6-only world.

Steam actually supports ipv6 now days, beta client got update in January this year.  So chat, downloads and thing like that are working without a problem however most games don't.  The developers have to update the games for the ipv6 API to work.  This is a REALLY slow process and my guess is that a lot of old games never will get this update.

 

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Oh god, don't tell our local ISP's in the US about this, they'll start charging an extra fee for an IPv4 address, or charge extra for an IPv6 address.

 

Hell they'll likely do both, on the same bill.

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2 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Oh god, don't tell our local ISP's in the US about this, they'll start charging an extra fee for an IPv4 address, or charge extra for an IPv6 address.

 

Hell they'll likely do both, on the same bill.

 

Well my ISP (In Sweden) charges extra for IPv4 address. I use VPN that I can connect via IPv6 and get a IPv4 address so it's not really a problem.

 

But even if I would pay the ISP extra for the IPv4 address I wan not even get close to US pricing.

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I think we'll be having some problems when we run out of iPv4 addresses:
https://ipv6-test.com/stats/country/AU

Our router actually has full support for it (it isn't dumbed down like our old Helstra one), but on Vodafone's end...not so much. Even over the NBN.


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2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

I think we'll be having some problems when we run out of iPv4 addresses:
https://ipv6-test.com/stats/country/AU

On the flip side it does look like it is increasing on average.


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3 minutes ago, williamcll said:

On the flip side it does look like it is increasing on average.

Still...the were still having significant issues rolling it out 4 years ago. We're probably still far behind even Greece:
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/aussie-telcos-struggling-with-ipv6-adoption-398240

 

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"Without IPv6, the Australian internet will be less efficient, it will be slower and less reliable, and more expensive - and that would be bad for the country.”

That sentence there is what we're already seeing with our current internet. They'll be dragging their heels for as long as possible in the search for all the money.


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Who could have predicted such a thing!?
 

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I wish this forced ISP to switch to IPV6, instead my shitty ISP (Superonline) utilizes carrier grade NAT AND charges a shit ton for static IP(v4). 

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Comcast dual stacks. So no issues for me. Kinda surprised they haven’t done carrier grade NAT. Only because they are greedy and could make a ton on IPv4 addresses. 


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My ISP have IPv6 but it's disabled by default.


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Here in the UK, Virgin Media have yet to implement IPv6. They were trialing DSLite to run IPv4 and IPv6 in parallel but have apparently abandoned it in favour of full Dual Stack. But no official word from them on when IPv6 would be implemented. Guess they've got a shitload of IPv4 addresses to use up!


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53 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Comcast dual stacks. So no issues for me. Kinda surprised they haven’t done carrier grade NAT. Only because they are greedy and could make a ton on IPv4 addresses. 

The "make a ton on IPv4" isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be.  And to Comcast's credit, they're leading the way with IPv6 adoption from an ISP perspective in the states.  They're the largest ISP we have in this country, and they're trying to push others to do the same thing.  That's a good thing.

 

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1 hour ago, jasonvp said:

The "make a ton on IPv4" isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be. 

Sure it is. Charge $15 a month times how many customers that want one. They already charge $13 for modem rental, $10 per box and other bull shit fees. 
 

1 hour ago, jasonvp said:

they're leading the way with IPv6 adoption from an ISP perspective

That’s their only redeeming quality. 


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12 hours ago, williamcll said:

we will continue to recover IPv4 addresses

It would be better if they wouldnt do it..... All returned address should be null-routed by ISP's and never reallocated.

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Seems everything internet related is moving slow, infrastructure expansion wise. 


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