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AMD 1st Gen Cpu's vs 2nd gen vs 3rd gen

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What is the best option out right now in terms of amd Cpu's for budget  gaming and editing.

 

Also , is it worth it to buy 1st or 2nd gen Cpu's above 3rd gen?

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Used first gen Ryzen CPUs are priced spectacularly right now, if you need to buy something very budget oriented to replace a very old system, it is a solid buy. A Ryzen 5 1600 can be had for like $80 or less sometimes, with a 1700X costing a little over $100.

 

Second gen parts are in excellent standing new,  with the Ryzen 5 2600 barely over $100 USD. The Ryzen 7 2700X is like $170 most of the time.

 

Third gen parts are for the performance gamer who is also value oriented. you get the same gaming experience as you would on Intel for much less cost, and incredible workstation performance as well if you're interested.

 

AMD has something meaningful to offer at basically every price point, and a single socket to upgrade with for 4 generations of processors.


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2nd gen if you are on tight budget

 

3rd gen fi you are on normal budget and all out for 3900x or 3950x

 

2700x is a great budget productivity cpu because 8 cores and 16 threads. 3600 is a great bang for gaming. 2600 is a budget gaming cpu.

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i'd generally skip first gen, buy second gen for 1440p/4k gaming, 3rd gen for 1080p gaming  and/or work(if 3rd gen benefits the games)

 

best deal i saw for a 2600x was 110usd, came with bl3, 150 for the 2700x


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if you were on a very strict budget, like 500$ or so for whole computer and about half that is motherboard, ram, cpu costing total 250$ish, i'd skip 2000 series (2600 etc), get 1700x so editing will be nicer, save money on ram (since 1000 series can only take about 2666 speed or so), but invest in decent b450 motherboard (MSI b450 Tomahawk, ASRock b450/b450m Pro4 or better) so you can eventually upgrade to 3000 or 4000 series and faster ram in a year or two time.

If by 'budget' you mean anywhere 650-900$ for total system cost (we'll say about half that is motherboard, 3200-3600 speed ram, cpu costing total about 350-400$) then id get same sort of decent b450 motherboard with 3600
*(900$ if desiring mid-tier 300-400$ish gpu)

I think the strongest use case for a 2700 is if you find one for really cheap on used market, like 120$, or if you already have a OEM Pre-Built desktop with AM4 socket motherboard that according to the manufacturer only supports up to the 2700, and currently you are on a much weaker CPU like a 1500 or 2200g.  The 40$ish difference between a 2700 and 3600 kinda makes the 3600 the easy answer if on a motherboard that can support either, even if its 6 core vs 8 core the IPC increase between 2000 series and 3000 series was very large, but likewise the 1700 is cheap enough (new and used) that it could make sense for editing+gaming on a very budget oriented system. 

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The 3600 will outperform a 2700X gaming. Those other two cores may be handy but the best CPU for the money is the 3600 right now. 


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6 minutes ago, Columbo said:

The 3600 will outperform a 2700X gaming. Those other two cores may be handy but the best CPU for the money is the 3600 right now. 

the 2600 is of great value right now

at $100 for the 2600 is dirt cheap, whereas the 3600 is double that at $200, i wouldnt hesitate if the 3600 was $150 to buy it, but it all depends on the budget so

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1st and 2nd gen I would usually recommend over 3rd gen. 

 

3rd gen is 100% extra while not bringing 100% more performance. They'll likely be obsolete at the same time, too, since they're both 6C/12T.


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1 hour ago, Columbo said:

The 3600 will outperform a 2700X gaming. Those other two cores may be handy but the best CPU for the money is the 3600 right now. 

But only if you're keen on 1080P at 144Hz gaming, up the res to 1440P or higher, the CPU bottleneck get taken over by GPU bottleneck. Right now, I know my VEGA64 is the bottleneck at 3440x1440 (75Hz monitor) but since Ampere and NAVI 23 will be out by mid 2020, I'll just grin and bear with it. The VEGA64 is still able to handle the games I throw at it at reasonable framerate and decent enough ingame setting (High, sometimes Very High)


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On 11/22/2019 at 10:22 PM, amdorintel said:

the 2600 is of great value right now

at $100 for the 2600 is dirt cheap, whereas the 3600 is double that at $200, i wouldnt hesitate if the 3600 was $150 to buy it, but it all depends on the budget so

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/3916vs3955

 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/3958vs4040

 

There is a significant difference between the 2600 and 3600. 

 

 


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2700x if you ask me! 

 


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Just now, Mark Kaine said:

2700x if you ask me! 

 

The 3600 outperforms the 2700x. The 2600 does not outperform the 1800x. 


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5 minutes ago, Columbo said:

I sorry,  userbenchmark is completely unreliable and useless for this sort of comparison. 

 

It's basically only good to test if your computer... works. ;)

 

4 minutes ago, Columbo said:

The 3600 outperforms the 2700x.

By how much and at the same *budget*?  (please note the topic  and also note that I thought about this for a long time, 2700x is best bang for buck currently as it's pretty much on par with 3600 but should be much cheaper, especially if you can get a nice deal)   :)

 

5 minutes ago, Columbo said:

The 2600 does not outperform the 1800x. 

Ok? :/

 


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2700x was the best buy of BF 2019. $159 was a steal. The 2700 at $139 still ain't bad since they're basically the same thing with a worse cooler and weak stock settings.

 

The 3600 isn't perceptively different than a 2600/2700 at 1440p, and at 1080p you'd need a very powerful GPU (disproportionate to the user considering these CPUs) for it to matter.

 

With your average 1660 Super through RX 5700 XT use, it won't really matter a whole lot which chip you get.

 

And if 1080p super high refresh is your goal, neither one of these chips are the solution anyway. Even the 3900x by and large still loses to highly clocked coffeecake chips.

 

I also agree with the @LienusLateTips that the difference in power between any of the 6/12+ chips isn't enough to change when either will become obsolete. Definitely not enough to warrant nearly a 100% price bump.

 

I would personally get a 2700 and OC to 3.8-4ghz. It will provide you with enough single threaded oomph where you won't be able to tell it apart from the 3rd gen, but also gives you more lateral resources to multitask if the need arises. Otherwise if you don't care at about multitasking the 2600x at $119 is a steal as well. But for $20 the extra two cores are worth it.

 

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Also consider that $20 delta between the 2600x and a 2700 isn't enough to propel your gpu budget into another range, but the $60 difference between a 2600x and a 3600 is enough to bump you from a 5700 to a 5700xt or 2060 super.


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