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Oh, by the way.

 

My 2007 6.7 Cummins 2500's payload capacity is rated at roughly 2000lbs. 8ft bed, quad cab.

Dad's '09 6.7 Cummins 3500 is roughly 2900lbs. 8ft bed, quad cab.

 

And because I can: 

The 2020 Ford F250 Lariat 6.7L V8 diesel 4WD, crew cab, short bed payload capacity: 3550lbs roughly.

 

 

 

What Tesla is rating their truck: 3500lbs payload.


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1 hour ago, Atmos said:

1. I said those are the typical points truck buyers are looking for. I havent met a single person who owns a truck who hasnt had it kitted for towing something at the very least. Thats literally 1/2 of the reason people buy trucks.

2. Enclosed beds for particular uses, however bed shells can be detached in an afternoorn and the bed set back up for easy access and loading. Its not a permanent feature of the truck.

3. Once again, its what prospective truck buyers look for. You even admit you yourself had a bed toolbox. They are extremely common and a legitimate requirement for many many people and a majority of the truck buying market.

4. Trucks are almost entirely just for work or hauling. Thats literally the entire point of a truck. If you're buying it just because you like the way they look or drive then you are in the absolute minority of truck buyers. Many many many many many truck buyers require space to store tools or equipment in the cab.

5. Some people dont, the majority however would prefer they be able to fit you know, a family perhaps in their truck since most of us cant afford more than one car per working adult. 

6. Most people do. Point moot.

7. You yourself said some people just want to tow atvs and dirt bikes, thus they need a high load capacity for the bed. You can't just stack 2/3 dirt bikes on the back of any freaking vehicle... That just means a bed that can carry a lot without compromising suspension or frame. 

8. Most people do. Infact, almost every single truck owner I know like to have a truck that looks good, which overwhelmingly more often than note means a mean looking truck. Theres a reason trucks look the way they do today, people eat that design up.

9. No it freaking isnt too early to know. Its a tesla. Every other tesla suffers from extremely long repair times because of tesla's 10iq designed oem replacement parts cycle, wherein a certified and licensed repair shop CANNOT have certain parts in stock, and they need to be ordered from tesla directly, taking often weeks for even simple repairs just because they require a tesla specific component. This is an issue thats with tesla and their retarded system, it will affect this "truck". If you dont think it will, you simply do not understand the issue as it current exists.

10. Once again. What most people look for. the 10-15% who only drive around in town and are home every single night and NEVER go on vacation towing a trailer or just in general are the exception to the rule, not the rule itself.

 

 

It all comes down to this.

This isnt a truck as it currently exists. It fails in almost every aspect of what the typical and general truck purchasing community wants and requires. It will not be purchased by companies. It will not be purchased by vacationers. It will not be purchased by offroaders (because of the inability to quickly fix issues if they arise on the trail). It will be purchased by a pitifully small community of clout chasers and people who own trucks simply because its what men own, with no real need to own a truck. Its frankly a joke, in every meaning of the word and if it releases as it currently exists for a mass market it will be the greatest failure in modern car history, quote me on that. I am 100% confident in that prediction because I actually work with many of the people tesla has failed to appeal to, and needs to have buy their product.

 

As reference for that last point I own a business in a truck owning community. 8/10 of my male clientele that I interact with own trucks. They are farmers, ranchers, mechanics, tow men, vacationers, and just general truck enthusiasts living int he city. I have not met a single one who I've talked to who hasnt just laughed out loud at the tesla truck launch. Its been a colossal failure in the purchasing community that they are trying to appeal to. Young guys and old guys alike hate it and think its a joke of a truck.

1. Fair.  I’m very surprised the tow capacity is so low.  They were talking about doing much much more.

2. Theoretically true, but not in practice.

  You can do it but then you have to store the topper without deforming it which is really really hard. People will do crazy stuff like make sling systems in the rafters of their garage to lift them off.  Generally when a topper goes on a truck it’s there forever.

3.  Could be true.  It would definitely need to have a special bed box.  I could see one being designed though.

4. Total crap.  The people who actually use their. Trucks for work are called 1%ers because almost no one does it.

5. Iirc there were 5 or 6 people in that thing when it pulled up in the video.  This one smells bad

5. ?

6. I don’t use atvs I have no opinion

7. ?

8.  Ok.  You think it’s hideous.  I think it’s a test mule. It has no plastics on it and no running gear or bumpers.  I’m withholding judgement on that one myself

9. might be true. “Long” is a relative term.  I don’t know.

10. and more 1%er BS again.  That 10-15% is more like 90-95%

 

Sounds like you and your friends won’t be buying one then because it wasn’t a car designed for you.  That makes sense.


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If this is what it’s going to be released, I could fix the styling with some plastics.  It needs better and bigger wheel arches, a new front fascia, a side belt, and a side skirt.  In black rubber or plastic.  Super easy with that stainless body.  You can drill it and not worry about rust or paint.  Heck, you could even weld to it.  TIGs weld stainless and they come in 110v bench models now.

 

We could see a market for third party stuff on this thing that is quite large.


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1 hour ago, AnonymousGuy said:

inda reminds me visually of the first gen Honda Ridgeline which didn't sell well because it wasn't enough of a truck.

Ridgeline didn't (and doesn't) sell well largely because of the styling and that it Honda's badge (ricer stigma and Honda's other trucks being entirely unknown to the US because they were A) Commercial mini trucks and B) Not widely available in the US).

 

Otherwise, the first generation of the Honda Ridgeline is very similar to the second generation Dodge Dakota quad cabs. They both had 5' beds (the Dakota was longer at 5'3"), both have similar payload capacities (In the 1500 range for both of them, though the Dakota starts at 1200lbs and the Ridgeline at 1475lbs), though the Dakota wins towing with 6100lbs vs 5000lbs on the Ridgeline.

 

 

 

And guess what spunky mid size's return has a high demand. 


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9 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Ridgeline didn't (and doesn't) sell well largely because of the styling and that it Honda's badge (ricer stigma and Honda's other trucks being entirely unknown to the US because they were A) Commercial mini trucks and B) Not widely available in the US).

 

Otherwise, the first generation of the Honda Ridgeline is very similar to the second generation Dodge Dakota quad cabs. They both had 5' beds (the Dakota was longer at 5'3"), both have similar payload capacities (In the 1500 range for both of them, though the Dakota starts at 1200lbs and the Ridgeline at 1475lbs), though the Dakota wins towing with 6100lbs vs 5000lbs on the Ridgeline.

 

 

 

And guess what spunky mid size's return has a high demand. 

I always thought the Ridgeline didn't sell well because it was FWD versus RWD (or AWD options). Though, I wish the Mitsubishi Raider put up a better fight, since it was just a re-badged Dakota.

 

As for this... I'm thoroughly disappointed because I was hoping for something more like a Ranger/Colorado size truck. Something I could load a fridge into, or laundry units when needed. And as much as I like Syd Mead's work, this just looks all kinds of bad, in my opinion.


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1 minute ago, The1Dickens said:

I always thought the Ridgeline didn't sell well because it was FWD versus RWD (or AWD options).

The first gen was AWD only. New one offers FWD and AWD.

 

1 minute ago, The1Dickens said:

As for this... I'm thoroughly disappointed because I was hoping for something more like a Ranger/Colorado size truck. Something I could load a fridge into, or laundry units when needed. And as much as I like Syd Mead's work, this just looks all kinds of bad, in my opinion.

Looking at the truck next to the 6'2" egomaniac, it is close to those truck sized, just a combination of ground clearance and overall shape playing tricks on us.

 

8 minutes ago, The1Dickens said:

Though, I wish the Mitsubishi Raider put up a better fight, since it was just a re-badged Dakota.

Rebadge and (IMO ugly) face lift.

 

Though, its last production year sales are impressive:

 

3.

 

 

The last year of the Dakota convertible got 8.


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4 hours ago, Drak3 said:

When you say closed, do you mean the tailgate, or the tonneau cover too?

 

Because if it’s like other pickups, the tonneau cover might negatively impact range.

In a traditional pickup design, the removal of the cover creates an aero effect that helps the air slide off the square top more smoothly because the air gets caught in the bed and circled around to provide pressure back behind the cab.  On the Tesla, this won't be the case as the cover is angled from the top of the cab, so it will mechanically do this as a full aero package.  The question would be if the normal effect is good enough and still applies, and then how horrible it will handle additional drag from anything you might mount in the bed (say ladders on ladder racks as an easy example).

 

We shall have to wait and see.

But hey, it could be worse…it could be the new "Mustang".  At least this thing was always known to be thinking outside the box, has a name and design to match, and has a reasonable price for the comparable pickups if it doesn't fall on its face.

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5 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

o even people who drove it didn’t think it was real.

its not real, publicity machine is churning

lots of concepts on paper are turned into a driveable machine, but will never be production ready

i like how elon turns on the publicity machine

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15 minutes ago, amdorintel said:

its not real, publicity machine is churning

lots of concepts on paper are turned into a driveable machine, but will never be production ready

i like how elon turns on the publicity machine

Never is a big word.  You may or may not be right.  Near to well above 50% imho.


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1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Never is a big word.  You may or may not be right.  Near to well above 50% imho.

maybe less then 50% maybe more then 50%

who is really counting anyways right ;)

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This remind me of playing rFactor/rFactor 2 when a new guy entered the server and his car is still loading. 

1 hour ago, Taf the Ghost said:

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1 minute ago, xAcid9 said:

This remind me of playing rFactor/rFactor 2 when a new guy entered the server and his car is still loading. 

Wrong thread? 

Yeah, I'd just noticed it as well. 

 

As for the Space Jeep, it's really in competition with the Mercedes G Wagon and other high-end SUVs. That's really the market. Video of the interior points right too that.  Though this would look awesome in a parody of a SUV commercial set in the Cyberpunk 2077 universe. It's more of a luxury Ridgeline. 

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7 hours ago, Atmos said:

-snips-

This is literally the opposite of what truck people want.

-snips-

Here's that this "truck" boils down to, and what every comment shown here and elsewhere online embracing it make known:

 

All of the people who complain that people who buy trucks, but don't use them as trucks, are gobbling this design up because it's a caricature of their beliefs. It's a non-truck. It's not functional as a truck as much as the specs try to lead you to believe otherwise.

 

Anyone who uses a truck regularly understands where this thing falls short. It's a grocery-getter and a mall crawler through and through.

 

Congratulations California, you finally have your own:

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10 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Here's that this "truck" boils down to, and what every comment shown here and elsewhere online embracing it make known:

 

All of the people who complain that people who buy trucks, but don't use them as trucks, are gobbling this design up because it's a caricature of their beliefs. It's a non-truck. It's not functional as a truck as much as the specs try to lead you to believe otherwise.

 

Anyone who uses a truck regularly understands where this thing falls short. It's a grocery-getter and a mall crawler through and through.

 

Congratulations California, you finally have your own:

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Yeah, that’s a grocery getter.  You can tell by the ridiculous rims. It’s likely never done a days work in its life.

And a dually no less.   Maybe with those it might even have the same bed weight capacity.  I notice there are burnout marks behind the tires.  
 

Does it have “truck nuts”?  I’m kind of expecting those now.


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4 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Yeah, that’s a grocery getter.  You can tell by the ridiculous rims. It’s likely never done a days work in its life.

And a dually no less.   Maybe with those it might even have the same bed weight capacity.  I notice there are burnout marks behind the tires.  
 

Does it have “truck nuts”?  I’m kind of expecting those now.

What's the organic, overly priced version of Truck Nuts going to be? :)

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2 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

What's the organic, overly priced version of Truck Nuts going to be? :)

The 90’s answer would be crystals.  Or perhaps some stick wrapped in fringed leather with beads on it.  There might be something else now.  I don’t hang with that crowd much so I don’t know.  It’s certainly not going to be a pair of fake plastic genetalia sold at similar markup. There might not even be one.

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3 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Anyone who uses a truck regularly understands where this thing falls short.

I use a (big) truck daily, and fail to see where this thing falls short.

There's literally nothing about it that makes it any less of a usable truck than the Ranger, Colorado, Tacoma, or Dakota.


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Something I didn't see anyone commenting on, is how this truck is a massive coffin. Take in mind the following - retractable door handles with electronic locks(already proven unreliable on the model s), body made of bulletproof 3mm thick steel panels, armored glass, massive lithium ion battery. Now imagine you're driving all that and you get involved in a nasty crash, how the fuck are you supposed to escape that? Electronics are messed up resulting in seized doors, you can't brake the glass because it's armored, even if you manage to crack it with those tools for breaking windows, it's "sandwich" laminated(any sort of armored/bulletproof glass is) on the inside so you can't break it off.. but hey, EMT arrives.. and they can't do shit - flushed door handles whos electronics have failed and didn't popped up, armored glass, don't have the tools to cut the body because it's designed for normal cars made from 0.8mm easily to cut through soft metal but the cybertruck is made from 3mm thick steel panels. Did I mentioned all of this is sitting on a massive battery that is very likely to catch fire the moment you crash?

 

It baffles me how unsafe the truck seems and what's even the point of all this? It's cool that the body is very touch and can withstand abuse but is it worth it? Exoskeleton, really? When it's shown with the doors open you can see that it's just an unibody with flat panels attached on it instead of curved ones. And what's with the trend on new cars(tesla are not the first one to make the side windows tougher) to make the side windows laminated(like the windshield), I'd rather get some scratches from the tiny glass pieces from the broken window during a crash than not being able to escape instead. Also the already mentioned everywhere bed that can't be loaded from the sides(also lacking bed liner and hook attachments for tying stuff), no side mirrors, no hitch for trailers(though it's show to tow one in one of the renders), questionable visibility due to the way the massive A-pillar is positioned on the front and a bunch of other things.

 

With that said, I like the idea of tesla releasing something that radical(I love the cyberpunk/80's futurism inspired aesthetic), but at this point it looks very poorly thought out. It makes a nice technical for isis though xD 

 

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2 minutes ago, Progressor said:

Also the already mentioned everywhere bed that can't be loaded from the sides, no side mirrors

I've already addressed both of these things.

 

3 minutes ago, Progressor said:

no hitch for trailers,

It's a prototype. They're not going to worry about what is (very likely) a piece of optional equipment that's trivial to add.


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17 hours ago, Drak3 said:

The entire span of the rear light bar might be able to loophole itself into being street legal. There also might be a second rear light bar that we can't see due to the glass(?) tonneau cover...thing. As for mirrors, I think legally, cameras that provide the same function are legal to use.

 

For some people, this isn't really a problem. Particularly those that like to use bed slides, bed caps/covers, etc.

Light bars are becoming a more popular design on SUV's, makes sense if Tesla is going for that, the US DOT regulations on taillights are strict though.

Pics of the prototype truck show it having a cover, no way you could put a toolbox in the bed, nice for aero and the camera mirrors are also, but is it legal once you tow a trailer?

10 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

I use a (big) truck daily, and fail to see where this thing falls short.

There's literally nothing about it that makes it any less of a usable truck than the Ranger, Colorado, Tacoma, or Dakota.

Then it falls short compared to other trucks in its class like the F150,Silverado, or Ram, if the base version is only comparable to a mid size Ranger or Colorado.

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