? Tesla Truck Kinda Edgy Tho - Tesla releases oddly polygonal pickup truck

[Taf the Ghost]

11 minutes ago, Commodus said:

I feel he overlooked the cost factors, though.  Even if you don't get subsidies on the truck (some states will have their own incentives, I know the feds' incentives are running out), it's still less expensive to run.  So in practice, I'd say it's a light-duty truck at light-duty prices, if likely at the higher end of the scale... just without the emissions.

Well, if an IC-based truck is, say, 20k USD cheaper, it's going to be a long while before the Cybertruck would win out from electricity cost differential. There's some argument for lower TCO in the first 5 years for a Shopping Mall runner, but that won't hold for a Tesla in 2021 for a business buying one. Something will break and Tesla will have a parts shortage, which means your "income producing" tool is out of commission. It's a risk value you can project, but that means you're taking on extra risk & higher capital costs for an unproven platform from a manufacturer that's a decade from being properly saturated.

[Taf the Ghost]

9 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Meh. Any electrical addons have a bigger consequence on this truck.

Whereas most fossil fuel trucks can be upfitted with high end winches, power inverters, power steps, etc. and act as high capacity generators for quite a long time. It's not even that hard to upgrade the electrical system if you're looking at higher draw items. But it's not something you can do with an EV without either sacrificing range or hauling and running a generator.

Looking forward to the first person to take their Cybertruck camping with their gas-powered generator in the back. haha

[Bombastinator]

7 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

If you're a quitter, sure.

 

No. Dealerships are the second worst option, beaten out only by the scumlord mechanics that setup in rundown areas and keep everything looking rundown (including themselves).

1. A fake argument.  Also false.

 

2. avoidance of argument.  There is no actual “no”

 

im reading this reply “I agree but I’m going to pretend I don’t”

[Drak3]

6 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

1. A fake argument.  Also false.

 

2. avoidance of argument.  There is no actual “no”

 

im reading this reply “I agree but I’m going to pretend I don’t”

Dealerships look to up sell expensive items customers don’t need, and do the minimum work. Some will also shirk ‘free’ work like recalls and ‘We Owe.’

 

And engines are still pretty easy to work on. You might spend some more time pulling parts out, but OBD2 readers offset that by telling you what is actually having issues. And the “specialist tools” is a nonargument. There have been designs that required specialized tools for decades.

[Bombastinator]

No one is changing anyone’s mind here I think.

Most of the people who don’t like the look of the cyber truck apparently don’t like it not because they have a problem with the vehicle but because they hate EVs conceptually to begin with.  Old long dead myths and old arguments against them are being trotted out.  

 

Is it the everything truck?  Of course not.  There is no everything truck.  There never has been.  It will be useful  for many but not all 1%ers.  It doesn’t do everything.  99% of ICE truck owners do none of these things anyway and use them as transportation only.  They like the concept of them being work vehicles more than the actuality.  That’s the way the truck market works.  Tesla will change visual aspects of the truck or they won’t.  People who are hanging on to beliefs about gas vs electric will continue to hang on to them or they won’t.  An option exists.  Some will take it.  Some won’t. The cyber truck won’t kill off the ICE.  Some business owners like farmers or tradesmen will do the math and if they find the thing saves them money they will use it.  Anything short haul that doesn’t require side bed access generally.  As an in city landlord who hails appliences and does plowing it does.  I ordered one.  The next guy may actually have a use for long haul or requires side bed access.  He may even have a fifth wheel trailer that the cyber truck won’t fit without some major renovation to the hitch which isn’t worth it.  They won’t buy one.  It’s a truck.  If it fits your needs buy it, if it doesn’t don’t. 

 

There was a guy claiming he hauls appliances and bemoaned side bed access.  For appliances.  Like he lifts a refrigerator over the side of the bed.  Turns out he just didn’t like the concept of electric because he wound up going after electric with all kinds of verve.  And equally good logic.

 

None of this is about the truck.  It’s about ox goring and old predispositions.

[dalekphalm]

11 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

If it was my dryers wouldn’t work.

It’s not three phase.  I wanted three phase but couldn’t get it.

 

its not 100% I’m not wrong.  I’m not an actual electrician after all.  There’s a non zero chance I got my head up my tail on this one.  I know one though.  I can ask him tomorrow.

 

Aha!  Found it!  It’s a semantics issue.  There is dual phase and there is split phase.  It’s apparently a really really old leftover from before there was AC power and everything was DC.  
 

I got split phase.

 

 It behaves a whole lot like true dual phase but instead of being 90 degrees out it’s more.  Split phase cannot be turned into three phase.  There are people who call it split single phase and people who call it dual phase apparently.

 

tricky omitting the “split” bit and calling it just “single phase”

 

the pertinent bit though is “can I instal level 2 charging?”  The answer is “yes”

Yeah the North American standard in Canada and US is Split Phase power (also known as single phase 3-wire) - that's still the norm today. Two hot wires (120V each) and 1 neutral. You can split the load between the wires, which gets you the 240V circuits.

They are 180 degrees out of phase with each other.

 

Basically almost every house in North America should be capable of supporting a Level 2 charger (which can run off of a dryer outlet, for example).

[Taf the Ghost]

4 hours ago, TechyBen said:

Aaaand? Aircraft have less stability at low altitude. Does not mean it's "impossible" to fly.

Electric motor, high torque low RPM, does not == "impossible to get out of mud or manage torque curve".

 

Prove it's impossible to manage the torque curve. As said. A LOT of vehicles can be electric driven, and many old ones were from ICE engine generators.

 

These:

Are:

Solved:

 

 

"Problems":

 

I see none of those stuck in mud.

As a proper, technical point, "mud" is one of the biggest issues for military vehicles and, no, they haven't solved the problem.  Also, none of those videos are of street legal vehicles. If someone has truly solved the mud problem, they'd be making money selling to every military on the planet. Considering Tesla is basically selling a lightly, pre-armored vehicle with Pure EV drive, I don't think they've solved that problem either. The Cybertruck is also going to have a lot of the same issues that armored vehicles have, in general, with how much weight is going to be "carried" by the chassis, rather than sitting over at least one of the axles. 

[Zando_]

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[WkdPaul]

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