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Gamefreak lies about not reusing models in pokemon sword and shield (spoilers)

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Just now, spartaman64 said:

like i said before i know they eventually have to cut pokemon but i didnt expect them to do so many at once

they can add more later. which they will probably do if they are smart.

 

Would you rather wait another 6 months and risk having less attention plaid to actual game play just so they can make sure to have all 800 pokemon? They are still giving you hundreds. again i cant think of a single game outside of pokemon that gives you hundreds of character to play as.

 

Time is money. Do you really think they are going to spend all that time/money and do 800 unique pokemons? if they did 800 theres a good chance alot of them are going to be basically reskins of the same thing.

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1 hour ago, RonnieOP said:

they can add more later. which they will probably do if they are smart.

 

Would you rather wait another 6 months and risk having less attention plaid to actual game play just so they can make sure to have all 800 pokemon? They are still giving you hundreds. again i cant think of a single game outside of pokemon that gives you hundreds of character to play as.

 

Time is money. Do you really think they are going to spend all that time/money and do 800 unique pokemons? if they did 800 theres a good chance alot of them are going to be basically reskins of the same thing.

they said they did it so they can make new models except the models seem to be literally ported from sun and moon so whats their excuse now?

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3 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

they said they did it so they can make new models except the models seem to be literally ported from sun and moon so whats their excuse now?

Again, speculation on a highly questionable leak.


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1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

Again, speculation on a highly questionable leak.

its datamined directly from the game files

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Just now, spartaman64 said:

they said they did it so they can make new models except the models seem to be literally ported from sun and moon so whats their excuse now?

I dont know enough about game dev to say anything about that.

 

Maybe they lied. idk id wait for factual proof first.

 

But even if they did i wouldnt personally hold it against them. People lie all the time to get whiners to stop bitching. the vocal minority are the ones complaining and constantly annoying them on social media. Honestly the whole argument in the first place was asinine to me.

 

The games going to be huge. even the majority of the people on social media who say they wont be buying it will break down and buy it or get it as a gift and play it.

 

Id make a horrible pr person tbh. If i was them id tell people to get over it or dont play it. knowing full well that its going to be huge no matter the vocal minority say.

 

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Just now, spartaman64 said:

its datamined directly from the game files

Game isn't out yet.


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1 hour ago, RonnieOP said:

I dont know enough about game dev to say anything about that.

 

Maybe they lied. idk id wait for factual proof first.

 

But even if they did i wouldnt personally hold it against them. People lie all the time to get whiners to stop bitching. the vocal minority are the ones complaining and constantly annoying them on social media. Honestly the whole argument in the first place was asinine to me.

 

The games going to be huge. even the majority of the people on social media who say they wont be buying it will break down and buy it or get it as a gift and play it.

 

Id make a horrible pr person tbh. If i was them id tell people to get over it or dont play it. knowing full well that its going to be huge no matter the vocal minority say.

 

i havent made up my mind whether to buy it if its a good game then ill buy it if they cut too many corners and its a bad game i wont but either way i lost a little respect for gamefreak 

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Just now, spartaman64 said:

i havent made up my mind whether to buy it if its a good game then ill buy it if they cut too many corners and its a bad game i wont but either way i lost a little respect for gamefreak 

Dont lose respect for them. Lose respect for the world we live in where people think that because they can make an email address and a screen name they are owed everything and that they deserve their questions answered. Unless you are putting your time and money into the project you really arent owed anything. dont preorder and only buy once reviews and gameplay are out. but when youve invested nothing i dont see where the entitlement comes into play.

 

Like i said. if i were them i would of played it differently. but in a way that wouldve had the vocal minority even more upset lol

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1 hour ago, RonnieOP said:

Dont lose respect for them. Lose respect for the world we live in where people think that because they can make an email address and a screen name they are owed everything and that they deserve their questions answered. Unless you are putting your time and money into the project you really arent owed anything. dont preorder and only buy once reviews and gameplay are out. but when youve invested nothing i dont see where the entitlement comes into play.

 

Like i said. if i were them i would of played it differently. but in a way that wouldve had the vocal minority even more upset lol

you are acting like they have no choice but to lie. and they would not be more upset than they are now if you told the truth

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Just now, spartaman64 said:

you are acting like they have no choice but to lie. and they would not be more upset than they are now if you told the truth

 no they did have a choice. they maybe decided to lie. What im saying is i can understand the lie and why they did it (if they in fact did do it). I personally wouldnt of even thought of lying. i wouldve told them to get over it. they chose the less rude way od answering the question.

 

its honestly one of the dumbest outrages i can think of in video games in a long time. makes zero sense to me.

 

 

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as someone who can guess at what it takes to do multiple hundreds of characters uniquely from scratch, i'd commiserate if they have to reuse a few assets

 

being angry because they lied on doing the impossible, much less so ._.

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8 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

you can download it but cant play yet

You're not going to be able to datamine the preload package. Until the 15th, it's a 10.3GB locked folder that's unavailable to users. Trying to access the eShop from a jailbroken switch results in a ban, and jailbreaking a switch with the game on it wipes out the game. With stock software, you're getting nowhere near the game code.


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36 minutes ago, RonnieOP said:

they can add more later. which they will probably do if they are smart.

It has already been stated that there are no plans to complete the National Dex in Sw&Sh, and future titles are very likely to also have an incomplete National Dex. Essentially, if you move over your Pokemon from Bank to Home, your Pokemon are held hostage until Game Freak decides to create a title that features them, which is my only gripe with the lack of a national dex and refusal to ever expand it in an era of downloadable content.

 


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1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

You're not going to be able to datamine the preload package. Until the 15th, it's a 10.3GB locked folder that's unavailable to users. Trying to access the eShop from a jailbroken switch results in a ban, and jailbreaking a switch with the game on it wipes out the game. With stock software, you're getting nowhere near the game code.

im not sure how they are getting access but they are and they datamined the entire pokedex also

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Just now, spartaman64 said:

im not sure how they are getting access but they are and they datamined the entire pokedex also

Again, speculation based upon questionable leaks.


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Honestly the biggest thing that pisses me off about this game is both blatant favoritism towards the 'conventional favorites' and also that there is exactly 1 non-Gen 8 starter trio. 1 and it just happens to be Charmander.

 

But lieing about that stuff doesn't make me less annoyed. 


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@spartaman64 If you're really that upset, then don't buy the game. Don't buy anything Pokemon related from here on out. Just burn your bridges and move on.

 

I don't know why we're (as in everyone involved in this topic) even bothering arguing anymore.

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1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

Again, speculation based upon questionable leaks.

https://dotesports.com/news/people-are-already-streaming-pokemon-sword-and-shield-on-twitch

apparently some people managed to get copies already 

1 hour ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

@spartaman64 If you're really that upset, then don't buy the game. Don't buy anything Pokemon related from here on out. Just burn your bridges and move on.

 

I don't know why we're even bothering arguing anymore.

you dont understand again. im not upset its more that im worried. i dont hate pokemon. quite the opposite i own probably over 2000 dollars worth of pokemon cards. if you dont agree with what im worried about then fine thats your opinion but i dont understand why you all are so invested in shutting me down and misconstruing my intentions and what i mean

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4 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

you dont understand again. im not upset its more that im worried. i dont hate pokemon. quite the opposite i own probably over 2000 dollars worth of pokemon cards. if you dont agree with what im worried about then fine thats your opinion but i dont understand why you all are so invested in shutting me down

Because this is fear mongering based on evidence that people find questionable. This is also the first time something like this has happened. Let's revisit this in another two-three years and see what the state of Pokemon on consoles is before we start throwing our arms up in the air that Pokemon is ruined, which I would argue, people many times said it was ruined. If you are vindicated, okay, cool. You'll get brownie points.

 

Until then, vote with your wallet and tell others to do the same.

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2 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

i havent made up my mind whether to buy it if its a good game then ill buy it if they cut too many corners and its a bad game i wont but either way i lost a little respect for gamefreak 

 

4 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

 

did you guys read my post thats not the problem here

 

3 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

 

i dont think you guys understand. this isnt like buying a vacuum cleaner for us where if a company doesnt make a vacuum cleaner i like i buy another one. its not about the money. it doesnt matter if they are charging 200 dollars for the game or giving it away for free. its like when my cat got lost outside my parents told me they can get me another one. they are not something you can easily replace for me. but yeah you are right im waiting for the release before i pass any final judgement

 

2 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

like i said before i know they eventually have to cut pokemon but i didnt expect them to do so many at once

@Mira Yurizaki does this seem like the words of someone blinded by rage and want to burn the pokemon franchise to the ground?

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Just now, Mira Yurizaki said:

people many times said it was ruined.

I blame the lack of new Eeveelutions for ruining Pokemon.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 hour ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

Because this is fear mongering based on evidence that people find questionable. This is also the first time something like this has happened. Let's revisit this in another two-three years and see what the state of Pokemon on consoles is before we start throwing our arms up in the air that Pokemon is ruined, which I would argue, people many times said it was ruined. If you are vindicated, okay, cool. You'll get brownie points.

 

Until then, vote with your wallet and tell others to do the same.

ive never said that pokemon is ruined i said 1. gamefreak lied about new models 2. i dont believe removing the national dex is a good thing 3. dont preorder thats pretty much it. you guys are acting like i want to burn gamefreak employees at the stake or something

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11 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

ive never said that pokemon is ruined

You said you were worried. Without specifying anything I had to assume. So I went with what I thought was logical: Pokemon is going downhill. i.e, ruined.

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i said 1. gamefreak lied about new models

Which again is based on dubious evidence.

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2. i dont believe removing the national dex is a good thing

Okay.

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3. dont preorder thats pretty much it.

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you guys are acting like i want to burn gamefreak employees at the stake or something

No, I'm acting like you're reacting on emotional whims because of what you think about 1 and 2. But I guess I'm getting a little heated in this too.

 

The only people I feel who are eating this up are people who are already hurt about the lack of everyone Pokemon being available.

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It's not like the lack of Pokémon is the only issue. The game looks rushed to hell and back.


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