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8 hours ago, OlympicAssEater said:

How much perf you lost from going to eco?

I didn't write down the exact clocks. Running Prime95-like workloads I think it was around 200MHz or so. I'll have to put it on again later. Note for lower power workloads you might not see any drop at all, this only really affects higher power workloads (Cinebench R15 would probably trigger it too).


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I find it funny how everyone is crapping on AMD for putting 'effortless 1080p gaming'

 

You do realise the lower the resolution the harder it is on the CPU...

 

4K gaming is easy on the CPU as it's the GPU that's the bottleneck, which is why in some games you'll see budget CPUs only slightly behind the overclocked 9900K

 

 


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23 minutes ago, yolosnail said:

I find it funny how everyone is crapping on AMD for putting 'effortless 1080p gaming'

 

You do realise the lower the resolution the harder it is on the CPU...

 

4K gaming is easy on the CPU as it's the GPU that's the bottleneck, which is why in some games you'll see budget CPUs only slightly behind the overclocked 9900K

This isn't about high fps 1080p gaming necessarily, where CPU is really important. If you want say 1080p60 gaming, pretty much any >quad core CPU in the last 5 or more years will do that fine.


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9 minutes ago, Deli said:

I bet next year Zen 3 will see a price hike?

if intel cant answer with anything, the top skew will most likely increase in cost. 

 

also depends on how much of a reputation they want to build with Value. if intel is never disqussed in a PC scenario, then they have won. 

 

tho i doubt that intel will lose that much brand reqognition. 

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1 hour ago, porina said:

This isn't about high fps 1080p gaming necessarily, where CPU is really important. If you want say 1080p60 gaming, pretty much any >quad core CPU in the last 5 or more years will do that fine.

Exactly, but a lot of people are insinuating that because they say effortless 1080p gaming it's not capable of 1440p or 4k


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The Anniversary Pentium just got rekt in every possible way...it's Intel's closest equivalent despite the age.


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14 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

 

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I'm a bit ticked that they put two PCI-E x16 slots right next to each other when they definitely could have spaced them apart

2 hours ago, slippers_ said:

I found it a bit of a weird statement to make from them tbh..

I actually didnt. One of the big criticisms for Zen and Zen+ were "Well the IPC isnt nearly as good so fast 1080p 144+hz gaming suffers with AMD" The only think I found weird about it is the fact that it seems to only focus on gaming, and not gaming + streaming which to me is the real advantage of the entire Ryzen lineup when you compare them to the Intel direct year competitors 


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1 hour ago, Deli said:

I bet next year Zen 3 will see a price hike?

53 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

if intel cant answer with anything, the top skew will most likely increase in cost. 

also depends on how much of a reputation they want to build with Value. if intel is never disqussed in a PC scenario, then they have won. 

 

tho i doubt that intel will lose that much brand reqognition. 

 

someone made this point on /r/AMD:

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AMD so far has maxed out the TR40 family at 32 cores, and it's not coincidental considering that the EPYC Rome chips these are based on go to 48 and even 64-core on a single socket. AMD knows that Intel HAS a response. It's a lesser known socket called LGA 3647. It's what the new Apple Mac Pro will be using when it comes out in late 2019.

 

A 24-core Intel CPU that turbos to 4.6 Ghz and up to 1 Terabye of Ram !? A 28 Core that can accommodate 2 Terabyes of ram on a single socket ?!?! Hell, it even has high end motherboards for them! Check out the Asus ROG DOMINUS or the Gigabyte AUROS EXTREME.

 

These would be perfect to compete against TR40! But....there's a catch. The 24-core starts at $3,349 USD. The 28 core? $4500 USD. Just check the Anandtech article linked above. And the motherboards linked above cost $1800 USD !! These make the AMD TR40 chips look like a bargain...

 

AMD can hike it's prices on TR40, because it knows Intel's only legitimate response would be to bring LGA 3647 to the HEDT market, and even WITH AMD's price hikes, Intel would have to mark down their processors in half, and Intel doesn't have to, because it knows Apple's customers will gladly pay $6,000 base price for a Mac Pro with an 8-Core processor and a 256GB SSD in 2019.

 

I do wish we had more competition in the higher end HEDT segment, but Intel's found itself in a corner here for the first time in a while, and AMD is free to price these chips with these markups.

 

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I already failed no nut November. 

Anyway, 16 core AM4 SKU is awesome, I want to see some awesome build and showcase it, not just like rendering but heavy multitasking like gaming, streaming and more along. 

As for TR oh wow 64 core to come.. 


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6 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

I'm a bit ticked that they put two PCI-E x16 slots right next to each other when they definitely could have spaced them apart

Gigabyte does a better job at the PCIe placement even on their cheaper boards, compared to Asus, where they only do it on their more expensive models.

 

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2 GPUs in SLI with 1 slot spacing in between. Bottom PCIe x16 slot can still be used.

 

 

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2 GPUs in SLI, with 1 slot spacing in between. Last PCIe x16 slot is still accessible.

 

 

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GPU into the 2nd PCIe x16 slot, covers the other one below it, leaving only with a PCIe x4. PCIe x16 on the bottom will be a better layout.

 

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8 hours ago, slippers_ said:

I found it a bit of a weird statement to make from them tbh..

It's the silliness of selling "gaming CPUs": if they want to emphasize their delivery under stress, they should advertise "impressive 240p gaming!", which is stupid, yet going for the high end and claiming "amazing 4K gaming" (which, btw, they did with Ryzen 1) is also stupid, as pretty much anything since FX (and often even FX) will get you the framerate your GPU will manage to cope with. At best they can go with something like "gamin+streaming+cooking your breakfast because many cores!".

 

The truth for gaming has always been: don't overspend on the CPU, get decent GPU and monitor, and if anything, spend on good ergonomics (chair, peripherals), because no amount of RGB will fix your column or your carpal tunnel :P

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11 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

for those who are disappointed with pricing on the 3960X and the 3970X (me too but a bit less so): don't compare this to the 2950X, lol

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The disappointment (for me at least) has absolutely nothing to do with performance, just that generation to generation price has increased quite a bit. Not necessarily os much that it's a worse deal, it's just that after Intel slashed their HEDT prices the hope was that AMD would continue being hyper aggressive with their pricing, whereas instead it seems like they are just pricing where they can reasonably get away with. 

 

Again, not really any slight against AMD's decision, just a bit of a bummer as someone who was potentially within the market and now likely isn't. 

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11 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

if intel cant answer with anything, the top skew will most likely increase in cost. 

 

also depends on how much of a reputation they want to build with Value. if intel is never disqussed in a PC scenario, then they have won. 

 

tho i doubt that intel will lose that much brand reqognition. 

Not just that, but AMD is selling every scrap of silicon they can get our of TSMC. Supply and demand is already pushing prices up in some locations. So increased MSRP would make sense of they don't have not capacity sorted by next gen.

 

Even if they get more capacity, they may still decide to increase price as ryzen = high end to a growing number of consumers. High end = cost.


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AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16 Core vs Intel Core i9-10980XE 18 Core CPU Geekbench 4 Benchmarks:
 

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AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16 Core vs Intel Core i9-9980XE 18 Core CPU Geekbench 5 Benchmarks:

 

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Upfront, we want to say that there is a slight version variation between the runs, with the Intel platform running 4.3.4 and the AMD platform running 4.4.2. With that being considered, we do not believe that there could be such a massive disparity between versions that they could not at least be roughly comparable. As you can see, the 3950X here, which is sans two cores and four threads vs. the 10980XE, and let us not forget that the Intel platform is running quad-channel memory. The memory on the X299 appears to be 128GB at 2666MHz, while the AMD Ryzen 3950X runs with 32GB at 2933MHz. While the Intel platform is running slightly slower memory, the quad-channel nature of the platform means that there is far more bandwidth available right out of the gate for the Intel unit. It is also worth noting that these results are both on Dell based systems with the Intel platform being a Precision 5820 tower, which is made for heavy workstation workloads. The Ryzen part is from a claimed Alienware Aurora desktop, which is likely a new top-end gaming desktop from Dell's gaming arm. These could very well be benchmark results run by the dell team to qualify their new platform's performance and positioning. The multi-core scoring was quite a surprise as the 3950X beats the 10980XE with fewer cores and threads than the Core i9-10980XE. The major surprise I think comes down to the single-core score, which the 3950X also wins with a score of 5570 vs. 5453. This is not representative of all workloads available, but when combined with other performance leaks, the future is looking quite bleak for Intel.

 

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On 11/7/2019 at 8:37 AM, williamcll said:

Well it seems like it's still 105W TDP, most Double Tower fans should have no issue.

'Optimized for liquid cooling' is another way of AMD saying this chip runs hot.

 

On 11/7/2019 at 9:46 AM, porina said:

On another forum I think I'm going to have to suggest everyone get the 3000G and have an overclocking competition with it. It's low enough cost to do that... :D

I wonder if we'll see a head to head from Jay and Steve.

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