Ripping your wallet threads a new one - 3000G APU, 3950X, 3960X and 3970X to be available on November 25th

[Fasauceome]

1 hour ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

AMD trying to explain their naming schemes

How so? I think they've done a good job so far.

 

You have threadripper, which the 3900X and 3950X have intruded on so they just changed the numbers over (if anything it's just more granular now

Then you have the Athlon which is a 4 digit name to represent overclockable, compared to the 200G 220G and 240G it more resembles Ryzen so a 3000G, 3020G and 3040G makes sense (if they add more skus)

[MeatFeastMan]

A few slides were missed btw, two slides on the Athlon 3000g (Which looks great for super-low budget buyers!):

 

 

 

 

Overclocked to 3.9ghz..very nice. Might just be the most intriguing part of this whole launch.

[RejZoR]

3 hours ago, flashiling said:

let's hope they didn't spoof the benchmarks like intel did

At this point I'm not even questioning AMD's posted results. We all know they clearly have a very capable architecture. I understood people to question things right after Bulldozer, but now I know what they post is close enough to whatever reviewers will get to be perfectly usable.

[dizmo]

At least the 3950x can still be used on older motherboards.

 

2 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

I'm comparing AMD to AMD, not to it's competitors. Previous gen 2990X (also a 32 core part) launched at $1800, so a $200 price increase not including what is probably a $300+ motherboard since these can not be dropped into existing generations of TR boards.

 

So yes, a bit high.

Apparently the new motherboards are going to reach "new pricing heights" because of complexity in manufacturing according to AMD...so...I'm thinking we're going to see $500+ motherboards for these.

[DildorTheDecent]

2 hours ago, FloRolf said:

 

My body is ready.

[Master Disaster]

3800X to 3950X? Worth It?

 

I'm only joking (or am I?)

[ManyCoresGuy]

Now i am debating on whether or not if i should sell my dual xeon workstation and build a threadripper system. 

[suicidalfranco]

i for sure don't need it

 

but i damn sure know that i want one

[Valentyn]

1 hour ago, Master Disaster said:

3800X to 3950X? Worth It?

 

I'm only joking (or am I?)

Perfect for Dwarf Fortress!

[Unixsystem]

Pretty disappointed with the TR3 prices, personally. The performance seems like it'll be great and the chipset changes seem ideal for the platform, but especially after Intel dropped their prices it's a really hard sell for me. I'm sure they'll still sell like hotcakes but I was really hoping for a 16 core in the sub-$1000 range since the main appeal for me is that delicious PCI-E flexibility. 

 

Now I'm left trying to decide if I sacrifice PCI-E lanes for a 3950X, or look more seriously at the 14-core Cascade Lake. They're basically the same price (minus X299 markup) but without widespread 4.0 adoption, there's way more utility to just having way more 3.0 lanes, plus the added bonus of a potential 5Ghz boost. 

 

Tough decisions. Hopefully once 7nm production ramps up even harder AMD can either drop prices or introduce more SKUs to the lineup. 

[mr moose]

8 hours ago, flashiling said:

let's hope they didn't spoof the benchmarks like intel did

Good going forum people,  Not only does no one question AMD's performance figures (one person even said they won't) but we are now making up stuff about how wrong Intel is/was.

 

Wait for independant reviews and total costs before saying such things.

 

 

[thorhammerz]

8 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

But can we talk about a $50 dual core with hyper threaded CPU thats overclockable for a second? Holy shit

 

Weren't the Athlons supposed to be non-overclockable?

[MadDuke]

1. Prices are expected. They had killer deals for 3 years. No answer from Intel yet price wise and now this is an HEDT process node advantage where at the moment Intel can't compete. So, price hike. 

2. Since single core performance is great on Ryzen 2 it will be interesting to see how that humongous cache will play with "normal" workloads. 

3. Can't wait to get mine 3950x in December and slot it instead of an overclocked 1700. Funny thing is. On stock it will basically be comparable to 1700 at 3.9

[TVwazhere]

2 minutes ago, thorhammerz said:

Weren't the Athlons supposed to be non-overclockable?

They were, which makes this kinda a big deal. 

[Princess Luna]

I god damn hope so lol

[Fnige]

7 hours ago, porina said:

On another forum I think I'm going to have to suggest everyone get the 3000G and have an overclocking competition with it. It's low enough cost to do that...

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As of 2014, the Guinness World Record for the highest CPU clock rate is an overclocked, 8.723 GHz AMD Piledriver-based FX-8370 chip. It surpassed the previous record achieved in 2011, an 8.429 GHz AMD FX-8150 Bulldozer-based chip.

^{from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_rate#Historical_milestones_and_current_records}

Who wants to beat it?

[Fnige]

47 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

I god damn hope so lol

sure, thought the best it can do was 768p

[porina]

1 minute ago, SlimyPython said:

Who wants to beat it?

That'll be LN2 territory, which is the opposite direction to that I'm thinking with the 3000G, which is cheap enough many can get one just as a play thing if they can drop it into an existing AM4 system for overclocking/benchmarking purposes. The "same hardware" ones are more interesting since it closes one avenue of throwing money to buy your position.

[NumLock21]

Looking at the slides it's 88 combined PCIe lanes with 16 reserved, giving the user 72. And the TRX40 boards are also revealed. One thing is, they all have active cooling.

 

Here's one of them. I looked it and thought...

Spoiler

why the hell did Asus think it was a good idea to put usb, audio, and front panel headers between 2 PCIe x16 slots?!

Then I noticed, it was just a reflection.

[Ithanul]

6 hours ago, dizmo said:

At least the 3950x can still be used on older motherboards.

 

Apparently the new motherboards are going to reach "new pricing heights" because of complexity in manufacturing according to AMD...so...I'm thinking we're going to see $500+ motherboards for these.

Yeah, I seen on some other forum boards of posts with expected price ranges.  Holy moly, and here I thought the good X399 boards where costly.

 

I think I may skip another gen on Threadripper.  At most, I may nab up used 2950Xs instead.  Unless a motherboard manufacturer gets a WS board out (I be kinda tempted then).  So, far the motherboards shown are not impressing me much.   Like, where are the WS boards? 

[Flying Sausages]

9 hours ago, porina said:

That answers one question at least. The 24-core will be 4x6 arrangement not 3x8. Different tradeoffs for either, but if I'm buying, I'd take the 4x6 they went for so that's nice.

 

If that's in reference to the thing that blew up in the last day or so, there is new information that Intel had put in the patch for AMD themselves and performance is practically same as the newer release. The AMD system wasn't held back by old software. I've linked to it in the news thread.

 

I discovered the ECO mode on my 3600 while playing with Ryzen Master. I'm considering enabling this on all my Zen 2 systems. Both of them.  On the 3600 at least, it reduces PPT from 88W to 60W, but the drop in clocks wasn't much (depends on actual load). So absolute performance is lower, but power efficiency goes up quite a bit. Also makes cooling a lot easier.

 

Rysing pricing is a sign AMD thinks they have reached or surpassed Intel. Some might argue earlier Ryzen already did that, but they had many weaknesses that Zen 2 pretty much eliminates. 

How much perf you lost from going to eco?

[flashiling]

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Edited November 8, 2019 by flashiling
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[porina]

8 hours ago, OlympicAssEater said:

How much perf you lost from going to eco?

I didn't write down the exact clocks. Running Prime95-like workloads I think it was around 200MHz or so. I'll have to put it on again later. Note for lower power workloads you might not see any drop at all, this only really affects higher power workloads (Cinebench R15 would probably trigger it too).

[slippers_]

13 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

I god damn hope so lol

I found it a bit of a weird statement to make from them tbh..

[yolosnail]

I find it funny how everyone is crapping on AMD for putting 'effortless 1080p gaming'

 

You do realise the lower the resolution the harder it is on the CPU...

 

4K gaming is easy on the CPU as it's the GPU that's the bottleneck, which is why in some games you'll see budget CPUs only slightly behind the overclocked 9900K