Ripping your wallet threads a new one - 3000G APU, 3950X, 3960X and 3970X to be available on November 25th

[williamcll]

After a bit of delay and pretty much every upcoming TR40 motherboards have been leaked/announced AMD have finally announced the new line of threadrippers running on the new Zen 2 architecture.

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The Ryzen Threadripper 3960X is a 24-core processor with a base clock of 3.8 GHz and a turbo clock of 4.5 GHz. It has 140MB of the cache. This SKU will be available for 1399 USD.

A 32-core version called Ryzen Threadripper 3970X will retail at 1999 USD. For 600 dollars more you get 8 more cores and 4MB of Cache.

Both SKUs will be available on November 25th.

  

AMD finally introduces 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X

This silicon was highly awaited ever since AMD announced it’s 3rd Gen Ryzen series. AMD today announced that their most powerful AM4 processor will be available on November 25th.

AMD also launches DUAL-CORE Athlon 3000G

According to wccftech, a new series of HEDT motherboard will also be available alongside the TR40 with specs that lies between EPYC chipsets.

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AMD WRX80  'Workstation' Ryzen Threadripper 3000 Processors

Now coming to the WRX80 series, we are looking at a pure workstation lineup. Even the processors built around this platform are spec'd similar to the EPYC 7002 variants, featuring 8-channel DDR4-3200 support in UDIMM, RDIMM, LRDIMM flavors. The platform would support 1 DIMM/channel featuring support for up to 2 TB of memory. There wouldn't be any OC support like the TRX40 series but you get 96-128 Gen4 PCIe lanes with 32 switchable lanes to SATA. The Group 'B' series processors which are the workstation lineup for the WRX80 platform will also feature a 280W TDP but different temperature range of Tcase Max temperature of 81C and Tctl Max of 100C.

Source:https://videocardz.com/82654/amd-announces-ryzen-threadripper-3960x-3970x-and-ryzen-9-3950x

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3970x-3960x-specs-prices-launch-confirmed/
Thoughts: Those single core clocks do look decent, the prices however might put off some people and force others to stay on the upcoming 3950X. Can't wait to see the LTT review.

[flashiling]

let's hope they didn't spoof the benchmarks like intel did

[rcmaehl]

Good title 

 

Those performance increases are spicy and it's about time AMD unlocked their Low end APU.

[TVwazhere]

Threadripper price is a bit high considering new motherboards are required to get them working.

 

The 3950x is at least where everyone thought it would be price and performance wise, so thats good news. Recommending a 280mm rad or higher is understandable, although an "Eco" mode for smaller systems is actually nice. 

 

But can we talk about a $50 dual core with hyper threaded CPU thats overclockable for a second? Holy shit

 

39 minutes ago, flashiling said:

let's hope they didn't spoof the benchmarks like intel did

AMD seems to be a bit more honest in their promotional materials, BUT ALWAYS WAIT FOR REVIEWS

[rcmaehl]

1 minute ago, TVwazhere said:

But can we talk about a $50 dual core with hyper threaded CPU thats overclockable for a second? Holy shit

You think Silicon Lottery will sell binned versions of it? $100 4.5GHz OC'd Hyper-threaded Dual Core would be fire.

[Bacon soup]

lol @ optimized for water cooling. I'd be impressed if it can run on air

[TVwazhere]

2 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

You think Silicon Lottery will sell binned versions of it? $100 4.5GHz OC'd Hyper-threaded Dual Core would be fire.

Maybe, but I doubt it. They seem mostly fixated on binned Intel CPU's at the moment, and only the highest end ones at that (did they ever sell binned i5's?)

 

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all

[Herman Mcpootis]

AMD trying to explain their naming schemes

[Humbug]

3 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

Threadripper price is a bit high considering new motherboards are required to get them working.

I guess AMD is now in a position where they can charge more. They have delivered multiple consecutive generations of good CPUs now, so their brand value and mindshare has increased.

 

AMD now knows that they have to make as money as possible in the next two years while Intel is still getting their shit together.

[williamcll]

3 minutes ago, Bacon soup said:

lol @ optimized for water cooling. I'd be impressed if it can run on air

Well it seems like it's still 105W TDP, most Double Tower fans should have no issue.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

4 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

the 3950x is at least where everyone thought it would be pice and performance wise, so thats good news. Recommending a 280mm rda or higher is understandable, although an "Eco" mode for smaller systems is actually nice.

I'd say "optimized for liquid cooling" sounds like an euphemism for "we didn't launch it earlier because we couldn't figure out how to cool it"

Looking at the full lineup, I don't think it was obvious that it would run that hot. But given prices, and AMD's climbing market share in the server space, it's possible that Ryzen CPUs are made with the worst silicon, especially in "saturated" models (those with all cores active in each die). I'd expect the pecking order to be Epyc, then TR, then Ryzen. If you compound worse silicon with higher clocks...

 

And people laughed at the FX-9590 shipping with a 120mm AIO

 

10 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

Threadripper price is a bit high considering new motherboards are required to get them working.

As performance improves, price will get worse... It won't get to Intel old-days levels, because contrary to Intel, they have Intel to compete But the situation at high core count chips can deteriorate rapidly as Intel will struggle for a while to be cost-effective in that segment, as opposed to consumer chips.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

5 minutes ago, williamcll said:

Well it seems like it's still 105W TDP, most Double Tower fans should have no issue.

And single tower too. 105W is peanuts. At guaranteed clocks, though. Question is, how much of Ryzen's "adaptive" boosting will you enjoy with that - 16x3.5GHz won't look as impressive in charts. Compared to a 2950X, it will be a matter of IPC gains vs memory bandwidth, and maybe even better turbo on the 2950x (we'll have to wait for tests on the new CPU).

[MeatFeastMan]

 

 

 

[Velcade]

50 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

(did they ever sell binned i5's?)

They did sell binned 8600K processors back when Coffee Lake was first out. 

[porina]

57 minutes ago, williamcll said:

After a bit of delay and pretty much every upcoming TR40 motherboards have been leaked/announced AMD have finally announced the new line of threadrippers running on the new Zen 2 architecture.

That answers one question at least. The 24-core will be 4x6 arrangement not 3x8. Different tradeoffs for either, but if I'm buying, I'd take the 4x6 they went for so that's nice.

 

54 minutes ago, flashiling said:

let's hope they didn't spoof the benchmarks like intel did

If that's in reference to the thing that blew up in the last day or so, there is new information that Intel had put in the patch for AMD themselves and performance is practically same as the newer release. The AMD system wasn't held back by old software. I've linked to it in the news thread.

 

52 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

The 3950x is at least where everyone thought it would be price and performance wise, so thats good news. Recommending a 280mm rad or higher is understandable, although an "Eco" mode for smaller systems is actually nice. 

I discovered the ECO mode on my 3600 while playing with Ryzen Master. I'm considering enabling this on all my Zen 2 systems. Both of them.  On the 3600 at least, it reduces PPT from 88W to 60W, but the drop in clocks wasn't much (depends on actual load). So absolute performance is lower, but power efficiency goes up quite a bit. Also makes cooling a lot easier.

 

45 minutes ago, Humbug said:

I guess AMD is now in a position where they can charge more. They have delivered multiple consecutive generations of good CPUs now, so their brand value and mindshare has increased.

Rysing pricing is a sign AMD thinks they have reached or surpassed Intel. Some might argue earlier Ryzen already did that, but they had many weaknesses that Zen 2 pretty much eliminates. 

[porina]

13 minutes ago, Tegos said:

But seriously, that Athlon is actually super interesting. If for some reason I find myself unable to upgrade to Ryzen 3000, I'll probably look into it.

Or maybe second-gen Ryzen.

On another forum I think I'm going to have to suggest everyone get the 3000G and have an overclocking competition with it. It's low enough cost to do that...

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 minute ago, porina said:

On another forum I think I'm going to have to suggest everyone get the 3000G and have an overclocking competition with it. It's low enough cost to do that...

Mmm, what could go wrong...

 

A few weeks later:

*buys $50 CPU

*buys $200 VRM overkill motherboard, undisclosed amount spent on cooling solutions

"I will top that chart, dammit!"

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

On another forum I think I'm going to have to suggest everyone get the 3000G and have an overclocking competition with it. It's low enough cost to do that...

Not to mention that you can overclock it on the most garbo motherboard. 

 

Athlon 3000G vs i3 7350k perhaps?

[FloRolf]

@DildorTheDecent

 

[PlayStation 2]

Oh shit, AMD actually listened to people wanting the Athlons to be overclockable.

Might have to save for a fucking 3960X sometime.

[porina]

8 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Mmm, what could go wrong...

 

A few weeks later:

*buys $50 CPU

*buys $200 VRM overkill motherboard, undisclosed amount spent on cooling solutions

"I will top that chart, dammit!"

*cough* Inspired by Intel, I already bought a water chiller used just for competitive overclocking... mine is a small one though, rated about 2/3hp.

[samcool55]

3000G holy crap what a lovely thing.

 

It's like you go to a zoo and they say "hey look at these elephants and lions" and go OOOH (3950x and TR)

And then they say "o yea we have a new puppy too" and everyone loses their shit.

 

That 3000G is the puppy of the zoo, it's small, it's cute and EVERYBODY loves it! It's, wonderful. (yea you always have haters that ruin the mood I know...)

50 bucks, decent specs (yea not great but it's not garbage either) and it's unlocked so you can go nuts with it.

[BuckGup]

1 hour ago, TVwazhere said:

Threadripper price is a bit high considering new motherboards are required to get them working.

 

The 3950x is at least where everyone thought it would be price and performance wise, so thats good news. Recommending a 280mm rad or higher is understandable, although an "Eco" mode for smaller systems is actually nice. 

 

But can we talk about a $50 dual core with hyper threaded CPU thats overclockable for a second? Holy shit

 

AMD seems to be a bit more honest in their promotional materials, BUT ALWAYS WAIT FOR REVIEWS

A bit high? Did you forget how much intel was charging for its 18 core HEDT CPUs that require a nuclear cooling tower and performed worse than last hens Thread rippers?

[porina]

22 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Athlon 3000G vs i3 7350k perhaps?

7350k were still selling at silly pricing last time I looked (and got one). 7350k is still going to be much faster for FP stuff as the Athlon is Zen+.

[TVwazhere]

1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

A bit high? Did you forget how much intel was charging for its 18 core HEDT CPUs that require a nuclear cooling tower and performed worse than last hens Thread rippers?

I'm comparing AMD to AMD, not to it's competitors. Previous gen 2990X (also a 32 core part) launched at $1800, so a $200 price increase not including what is probably a $300+ motherboard since these can not be dropped into existing generations of TR boards.

 

So yes, a bit high.