Lisa Su confirms AMD Ryzen 4000 chips will be “coming in early 2020”

[williamcll]

33 minutes ago, justpoet said:

WTB 8c/16t w/ Navi APU.

AMD, make it good so everybody likes it.  "You only get one shot, do not miss your chance…"

It’s probably just a 3600 with integrated graphics.

[justpoet]

8 minutes ago, williamcll said:

It’s probably just a 3600 with integrated graphics.

That's likely for desktop.  But laptops will need a higher end chip if they're going for the high margin laptop level.

[Founders]

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[RejZoR]

It's a bit annoying that laptop chips are always one generation behind while carrying current numbers...

[Humbug]

Intel has a stranglehold on the laptop market.

 

So far as AMD executes their recovery they have been more focused on areas that give them better margins. Laptops chips are low margin but very high volume. Intel has much stronger working relationships with all the laptop vendors and they design their products around Intel parts. Not easy for AMD to break that, having a superior CPU alone is not enough.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Humbug said:

Not easy for AMD to break that, having a superior CPU alone is not enough.

they have been opening up with HP, Lenovo, Microsoft and even Huawei. 

 

offcourse not putting the chips in the top products, but in step down products. (exception of Microsoft). 

 

i can see them having quite the success, even if its just on a couple of premium devices to start with. 

[Humbug]

4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

they have been opening up with HP, Lenovo, Microsoft and even Huawei. 

 

offcourse not putting the chips in the top products, but in step down products. (exception of Microsoft). 

 

i can see them having quite the success, even if its just on a couple of premium devices to start with. 

They need to make sure that the laptop vendors are designing and promoting products based on Ryzen APUs.

 

So far what they do is just take an Intel laptop, and for very few models just give a token option of an AMD chip. Whereas everything in the laptop from the cooling, to the power management, form factor etc was designed around Intel.

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, Humbug said:

So far what they do is just take an Intel laptop, and for very few models just give a token option of an AMD chip. Whereas everything in the laptop from the cooling, to the power management, form factor etc was designed around Intel.

well, the simple fact they are making it an option, show that they have some interest in it. at best, if they did a redesign it would involve a change to the heatpipe layout. 

 

adoption is offcourse gonna be slow, but at least there is some interest to have "trial" products in their lines

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

early next yr? not even the 3950x is out... I was expecting mid~3rd quarter 2020.

if they are rushing out the new chips meaning there is some flaw in current chips amd arent telling us

[Humbug]

1 minute ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

early next yr? not even the 3950x is out... I was expecting mid~3rd quarter 2020.

if they are rushing out the new chips meaning there is some flaw in current chips amd arent telling us

These are mobile APU chips, based on Zen2. The same technology in desktop Ryzen 3xxx series. It will just be called 4xxx series, but it is not Zen3.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

early next yr? not even the 3950x is out... I was expecting mid~3rd quarter 2020.

if they are rushing out the new chips meaning there is some flaw in current chips amd arent telling us

its regarding APUs............

 

a lot of people are jumping to Zen 3 for some reason. 

[Doobeedoo]

Next year will also be quite fun, on CPU side they're really doing great. Navi is awesome too no doubt, but to come next flagship one will be more interesting to see. 

[porina]

5 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

its regarding APUs............

 

a lot of people are jumping to Zen 3 for some reason. 

The bad number scheme. It was bad when Intel did it with HEDT. It is bad now AMD are doing it with APUs. 

 

Edit: to expand, I do like and think Zen 2 CPUs are great. But I have to say to someone, look at Zen 2 CPUs. I can't say look at Ryzen 3000 CPUs, because that includes Zen+ APUs. Sometimes I might say, look at Ryzen 3600+ CPUs, but that doesn't read well (and would exclude the china only part below it now).

[rcmaehl]

Can I run them on X370 though. I paid like $300 for this motherboard after taxes and extended warranty 

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, porina said:

The bad number scheme. It was bad when Intel did it with HEDT. It is bad now AMD are doing it with APUs. 

its an awful number scheme, wish they just linked generation number with the actual architecture. 

 

server can allways have the dumbest naming schemes, its server afterall. 

[paddy-stone]

Wait, I'm missing something here I think...

 

Zen 1 had Ryzen 1000 series and the "tock" refresh was 2000 series.

Zen 2 is only Ryzen 3000 series then? and the "tock" will be known as Zen 3 instead?

 

I'd have thought that going to a new "zen" for new architecture would be a better idea, rather than a refresh? so Ryzen 4000 would be Zen 2+ in reality, but they're calling it zen 3?  doesn't make sense to me.

[porina]

12 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

I'd have thought that going to a new "zen" for new architecture would be a better idea, rather than a refresh? so Ryzen 4000 would be Zen 2+ in reality, but they're calling it zen 3?  doesn't make sense to me.

The Ryzen 4000 in this thread is Zen 2 APU. The Ryzen 4000 mainline CPUs we get next year are expected to be Zen 3 (not Zen 2+). How much difference we will get in Zen 3... well, there's rumours floating around as always. Usual stuff, more IPC, more clock. If true, unified L3 cache per CCD will help my uses a lot.

 

Zen 2 was a big jump both in architecture and process, compared to the small gains from Zen to Zen+. Based on rumours it feels like Zen 3 compared to Zen 2 will still be a bigger jump than Zen to Zen+, but don't expect a Zen to Zen 2 size jump.

[paddy-stone]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

The Ryzen 4000 in this thread is Zen 2 APU. The Ryzen 4000 mainline CPUs we get next year are expected to be Zen 3 (not Zen 2+). How much difference we will get in Zen 3... well, there's rumours floating around as always. Usual stuff, more IPC, more clock. If true, unified L3 cache per CCD will help my uses a lot.

 

Zen 2 was a big jump both in architecture and process, compared to the small gains from Zen to Zen+. Based on rumours it feels like Zen 3 compared to Zen 2 will still be a bigger jump than Zen to Zen+, but don't expect a Zen to Zen 2 size jump.

Yeah, I got that this thread was about the Zen APUs. I was saying about the Zen 3 CPUs seeming to be more of a refresh Zen 2+ as they'll still be 7nm won't they?  I know that's probably more of my Layman's view of it as it stands at the moment though. I am still deciding whether to buy a Zen 2 CPU for a project I have in the works or wait for Ryzen 4000... that's just me though, a case in contradictions and indecision

 

Either way I am waiting with bated breath to see what actually comes out, and really happy with the Zen CPUs I have. I don't think I will ever go back to Intel as it stands, they'd have to bring a LOT more to the table on the performance per dollar rate to get me interested... unless of course I needed a specific task doing that Intel shines in compared to AMD. I haven't bought an Intel CPU since the 6700K, apart from for other people's computers I have built for them.

[QXC]

OP: "We interviewed Lisa Su and she said that the 4000 series APUs (Zen 2) would be on AM4 and released early next year!"

Replies: "Wow the Ryzen 4000 CPUs (Zen 3) will be on AM4 early next year!"

[porina]

13 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

I was saying about the Zen 3 CPUs seeming to be more of a refresh Zen 2+ as they'll still be 7nm won't they?  I know that's probably more of my Layman's view of it as it stands at the moment though. I am still deciding whether to buy a Zen 2 CPU for a project I have in the works or wait for Ryzen 4000... that's just me though, a case in contradictions and indecision

There is speculation if there will be some minor process updates for Zen 3, but with or without that it could feed into the claims of slightly more clock (in a similar way to Intel's polishing of 14nm).

 

The wait could be some time though... we're not that far from Zen 2 launch and unless AMD wants to push forward at a very fast rate, probably best to figure about a year between cycles. Is Zen 3 really going to enable you to do something that Zen 2 wont? Or more a matter of having whatever is the newest thing on the block?

[GOTSpectrum]

Honestly, I'd love to see them take defective next gen console SoCs, which are basically free as they would just be trash anyway, and throw them in an AM4 package. 

 

Can sell them pretty cheap as realistically they would have been going to the recycling plant anyway. Yeah, they would be bandwidth starved to high heaven but who cares if they're cheap. The only issue is, they probably won't have a DDR4 controller onboard, most likely using GDDR6... hmm...

 

Ps when will we get a 1-4GB stack of hbm2 as a L4 cache AMD, just think of the improvements you could have for TR and EPYC.

[CarlBar]

17 hours ago, QXC said:

OP: "We interviewed Lisa Su and she said that the 4000 series APUs (Zen 2) would be on AM4 and released early next year!"

Replies: "Wow the Ryzen 4000 CPUs (Zen 3) will be on AM4 early next year!"

 

Actually she did state Zen 3 would be next eyar. But people are confusing the supposed release date of the 4000 Zen2 based APU's with the release of the 4000 series Zen 3 parts.

[Master Disaster]

On 11/6/2019 at 8:00 AM, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

early next yr? not even the 3950x is out... I was expecting mid~3rd quarter 2020.

if they are rushing out the new chips meaning there is some flaw in current chips amd arent telling us

Nah, the thread title is just clickbait. It's mobile chips based off the current Zen2 design.

[Master Disaster]

19 hours ago, QXC said:

OP: "We interviewed Lisa Su and she said that the 4000 series APUs (Zen 2) would be on AM4 and released early next year!"

Replies: "Wow the Ryzen 4000 CPUs (Zen 3) will be on AM4 early next year!"

TBF the thread title just says Ryzen 4000, it doesn't mention mobile at all.

 

Op was looking for clickbait and they got it.

[CarlBar]

10 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Nah, the thread title is just clickbait. It's mobile chips based off the current Zen2 design.

 

No it's not check the OP again.

 

In fact here's the quote from the quote source which is itself a direct quote of Lisa Su's statement:

 

On 11/5/2019 at 7:45 PM, OlympicAssEater said:

We’re well underway with Zen 3 as a follow-on, as well, for 2020 — lots of product activity. Even though 2019 was a big product year, I think 2020 will be an even larger product year for us.”