Intel’s Entire 10th Gen Comet Lake Desktop CPU Lineup Leaked + Intel 400-Series Platform & LGA 1200 Socket Detailed

[Rolling2405]

Can not decide if I should upgrade to the I9 10900X or wait for the I9 10900K or just not upgrade at all and keep my I9 9900K.

[ryao]

On 11/5/2019 at 7:37 AM, PianoPlayer88Key said:

 

• ALL RAM would be ECC.  No more denying that feature in basic consumer boards.  (With some of the data security issues, etc, I can't see how ECC RAM would hurt anything, other than profit margins maybe.)

I have been saying this for years. It is always nice to see someone else saying it.

[ryao]

15 hours ago, Thomas001 said:

Can not decide if I should upgrade to the I9 10900X or wait for the I9 10900K or just not upgrade at all and keep my I9 9900K.

Come to the AMD side. Upgrades are backward compatible with no performance loss.

[ryao]

On 11/5/2019 at 5:25 AM, leadeater said:

Just make all PCIe 4.0 slots open ended, make the GPUs x16 electrical, make the GPU slots in PCIe 4.0 motherboard x8 physical or just electrical. There you have backwards compatibility with previous standards at the maximum bandwidths while not over provisioning PCIe 4.0 lanes that can be used in other places.

I doubt that motherboard makers would go for it on mainstream platforms due to a deficit of PCI-E lanes. For example, AM4 only has 24 PCI-E lanes if I recall. There just are not enough lanes to make this work without using bridge chips to dynamically share bandwidth, but that adds to cost.

 

Enthusiasts seem to hate bridge chips because of increased latency (even though it does not really matter), so it probably would not sell well unless the entire industry moved in that direction. In theory, bridge chips could be used to get 7 slots that are all 16x electrical. That would be neat, but I suspect the costs would torpedo any effort to do that.

 

That said, we see mostly 8x slots on SP3 motherboards such as this one.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-MZ31-AR0-Socket-SlimSAS-Motherboard/dp/B077BKKJXZ

 

That one has 6 8x slots and 2 4x slots. Sadly, the slots are not open ended, but that can be fixed by modifying them. I am not sure if the warranty would still be honored after such modifications though.

 

Someone really ought to tell motherboard makers to make their slots open ended.

[ryao]

20 hours ago, corsairian said:

I'm probably gonna switch to AMD Strictly for the number of times Intel changes sockets. That is laughable. 

I have already switched on one of my machines. I replaced a Xeon E5-1650v2 in a Supermicro X9SRL with a Ryzen 5 3600 in an Asrock B450 Pro4 motherboard. I am looking forward to upgrading it to a Ryzen 9 4950X in the future.

[PianoPlayer88Key]

On 11/6/2019 at 5:12 PM, Thomas001 said:

Can not decide if I should upgrade to the I9 10900X or wait for the I9 10900K or just not upgrade at all and keep my I9 9900K.

 

9 hours ago, ryao said:

Come to the AMD side. Upgrades are backward compatible with no performance loss.

Heh, for me, 9900K to 10900X/K would not be anywhere near enough of an upgrade, especially if I have to change socket.  I'd prefer to have at least something like a 10X or more increase in performance when doing incremental generational upgrades, or, upgrade when the slowest CPU in the new generation is faster than the fastest from the old generation, whichever is the bigger jump.  For socket change, I'd want a much bigger jump - like what it would have been like back in the day to go from like an 8086 or 286 straight to like a Core 2 Quad or whatever.   I thought I had heard of someone a while back upgrading from a 386(!!) straight to a Ryzen, but I can't find it and idk exactly what search terms to use, or what forum I thought I saw it on.

 

 

On 11/6/2019 at 12:11 PM, corsairian said:

I'm probably gonna switch to AMD Strictly for the number of times Intel changes sockets. That is laughable. 

 

9 hours ago, ryao said:

I have already switched on one of my machines. I replaced a Xeon E5-1650v2 in a Supermicro X9SRL with a Ryzen 5 3600 in an Asrock B450 Pro4 motherboard. I am looking forward to upgrading it to a Ryzen 9 4950X in the future.

I've been back & forth between using LGA1151v1 (I have an i3-6100), LGA2011, LGA1366, LGA771 for a possible NAS build.  Ryzen / TR / Epyc might also be a possibility if I could get it much less expensive.  (There are other showstopping holdups holding me back on building said system, though, so for now my "solution" while I"m not able to properly back up my data, is just don't create data so fast; so my Panasonic FZ1000 has maybe only been used a few times for a couple minutes each over the last year or two, among other things.)

 

Also, I would really like to see AMD, when they switch to DDR5, have just ONE socket that's compatible with the entire stack of CPUs.  For example, maybe I might start with an Athlon 5000G, then upgrade to Threadripper 6960X, then maybe 10990WX, 14970X, and so on, until ... a few years after the socket is changed again (I've posted elsewhere about how long I'd like the same sockets to stick around), and the prices on ebay have come down to about $200 (from maybe $5K or $8K or whatever they start at), upgrade to something like an Epyc 7879 or whatever the numbering might be (like, way past 7742, 7743.....7748, 7749, ????).

 

For example, here's a concept art of what I was thinking.  I basically superimposed a couple AM4 sockets over a TR4 socket, approximately to scale.

 

 

  

 

 

On something like that, maybe you could use a TR4 cooler for both of those chips, and if you are only going to install one CPU, the other socket could maybe have a dummy put in it just to keep the mounting pressure set right.  Lower-end / smaller (mITX) boards might have only one AM5 socket, and higher-end boards (like EATX - that's the 13" wide variety NOT the 10.7" ones!) might have four AM5 sockets in the space that they previously had two SP3 sockets.

 

The layout for the two AM4 sockets next to each other was at least partially inspired by 

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And actually, that wouldn't be the first time there was a dual-socket MicroATX board...

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Better yet ... I'd like to see the socket that would result if Socket 7 and LGA 775 got married and had children, grandchildren, etc.