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What's the difference between a $75 motherboard and a $150 motherboard for ryzen 5

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2 minutes ago, Ryanwake said:

Do you think that money would be better spent on the graphics card, Or 16 gigs of RAM or something?

The answer is nothing. You maybe get a couple usb less, not multiple m.2 slots. Maybe you don't get the option to do quad sli or whatever. Performance wise it does not matter at all.

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can range wildly... some features, but a lot of it will be the power delivery as well which can vastly affect a boards stability and overclock capability. 


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Sometimes motherboards will limit the amount of wattage that can be used on components. Intel is really good at that.

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cheap vs expensive :

- Brand, a more popular brand can demand more money

- Power delivery, the expensive one should have better component, should be better for overclocking, if not the cheap ones is probably enough.

- Extra ports, the cheap one give you a minimum set of port, enough for basic usage.

- Looks, the expensive one have custom heatsink, RGB LED and other blings you don't really need.

 

you can have the same memory slot number, sata port and nvme on the cheap one, it depends on the brand.

popular brand won't be as generous as the lesser known brand.

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B450 motherboards allow  1 pci-e x16 from CPU. 

X470 motherboards allow that x16 slot to be split into 2 x8 slots, so you could use two video cards in SLI or Crossfire. 

 

Technically you can do Crossfire with B450 boards because you can do Crossfire between the pci-e x16 slot and the pci-e x4 slot created by the chipset but the main video card will be held back by the card on the pci-e slot that's slower.

 

If we're talking about same chipset, for example only B450 motherboards, you may get slightly better VRM as you go up in price, which means the motherboard will be able to handle higher end processors in the future when you'll want to upgrade.

For example, I'd be reluctant to use a 75$ motherboard with a Ryzen 3900x or a 3950x, but I'd have no problems using one with a 110-120$ motherboard. 

 

Cheapest (75$... <100$) either have no heatsinks on the VRM (the circuit which powers the CPU) or they're pretty undersized, which means that circuit is constantly very hot when you're using a powerful processor (read CPUs with TDP 95w and higher)

On such motherboards, the temperature can often go above a threshold, at which point the processor will intentionally reduce its frequencies in order to consume less power and give that circuit time to cool down.

So you may get a 3900x which can normally go between 3.8 Ghz and 4.6 Ghz but you'll find out that 5-10 minutes in a game, the processor will never go above 4 Ghz because the VRM is too hot and can't keep up.

 

Some more expensive motherboards (over 100$) add more USB 3.1 gen 2 (10g) connectors on the back, or one of those special front panel connectors for 10g on cases, or they add additional controllers.

Often you get higher end onboard sound, like ALC1220 instead of ALC892 (which is classic, probably 5+ years old chip now), you may get 2.5 gbps ethernet instead of plain 1 gbps (which would be nice if you had switches that also do 2.5 gbps) and you may get higher end wireless on the motherboard.

 

 

 

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In terms of raw CPU performance, there are $75motherboards that will allow a 6 core Ryzen to reach its full potential all the same as a $150 motherboard, e.g. ASRock B450 Pro4. $150 boards exist for people who want to upgrade to more cores down the line and still overclock, and people who want more features.


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1 hour ago, mariushm said:

B450 motherboards allow  1 pci-e x16 from CPU. 

X470 motherboards allow that x16 slot to be split into 2 x8 slots, so you could use two video cards in SLI or Crossfire. 

 

 

 

 

B450 chipset allows for crossfire, second slot is x4 which is 1-2% difference from x8 from all my research (have B450 board, will be Xfiring 2 fury's based on this research when I free the second one up).  On my board I believe (haven't researched it in a few months) it kills the second M.2 slot to do this.

 

Shame on me for not reading rest of your post - sorry @mariushm

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Tristerin said:

B450 chipset allows for crossfire, second slot is x4 which is 1-2% difference from x8 from all my research (have B450 board, will be Xfiring 2 fury's based on this research when I free the second one up).  On my board I believe (haven't researched it in a few months) it kills the second M.2 slot to do this.

 

1 hour ago, mariushm said:

B450 motherboards allow  1 pci-e x16 from CPU. 

X470 motherboards allow that x16 slot to be split into 2 x8 slots, so you could use two video cards in SLI or Crossfire. 

 

Technically you can do Crossfire with B450 boards because you can do Crossfire between the pci-e x16 slot and the pci-e x4 slot created by the chipset but the main video card will be held back by the card on the pci-e slot that's slower.

 

 

 

 

Shame on me for not reading your post fully @mariushm

1 hour ago, mariushm said:

B450 motherboards allow  1 pci-e x16 from CPU. 

X470 motherboards allow that x16 slot to be split into 2 x8 slots, so you could use two video cards in SLI or Crossfire. 

 

Technically you can do Crossfire with B450 boards because you can do Crossfire between the pci-e x16 slot and the pci-e x4 slot created by the chipset but the main video card will be held back by the card on the pci-e slot that's slower.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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2 hours ago, jaslion said:

The answer is nothing. You maybe get a couple usb less, not multiple m.2 slots. Maybe you don't get the option to do quad sli or whatever. Performance wise it does not matter at all.

Sorry I should have said this I meant overclocking, Maybe the $75 motherboard can overclock but if I had to guess I would say you wouldn't want to overclock anything more than a quad core on my $75 motherboard.

 

1 hour ago, Tristerin said:

Shame on me for not reading your post fully @mariushm

 

Sorry I should have said this oh, I'm sure you can overclock with a $75 motherboard, but if I had to guess I wouldn't overclock anything more than a ryzen 3.

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1 minute ago, Ryanwake said:

Sorry I should have said this oh, I'm sure you can overclock with a $75 motherboard, but if I had to guess I wouldn't overclock anything more than a ryzen 3.

Lol, my OC on a ASRock B450 Pro4 in sig begs to differ ;)  Id recommend this board day in day out for budget and overclocking purposes.


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1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

Lol, my OC on a ASRock B450 Pro4 in sig begs to differ ;)  Id recommend this board day in day out for budget and overclocking purposes.

Thx

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12 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Lol, my OC on a ASRock B450 Pro4 in sig begs to differ ;)  Id recommend this board day in day out for budget and overclocking purposes.

Thanks I'll bookmark it, I probably won't be getting it until December at least not every single part. Who knows maybe Intel will go on sale.

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