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[psucultists] PSU Tier List

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Poll : is color coding confusing ?

 

Please look at two examples below and vote (vote is in the first post at the top) for which of them you find less confusing, cleaner, easier to understand. Feel free to sound your thoughts on additional improvements and alternatives.

 

- Variant A - current implementation with color coding using gold and gray colors

 

Gold color signifies the best units inside each tier determined by performance metrics and lack of any major problems. I.e these units should be at the top in the list of your options (disregarding their price, we only tier performance and quality here).

Gray color signifies units that we either lack any good reviews on or platform it uses, but we do know enough to place it in the tier temporarily if there are demand for them, such as recent Seasonic Core and Antec Neo Eco Zen PSUs. Or there are some minor problems that we feel are nevertheless major enough to place these PSUs below other units in the tier without moving it to lower tiers. I.e these units should be last in the list of your options for this tier but they're still better than units from lowest tiers in most cases.

Vote for this variant if you prefer it over the next one.

 

How it looks :

( Keep in mind that this is revision 14.1 to which Lazy Luke didn't update this thread yet )

Spoiler

Legend :
Gray - units with various issues and concerns, buy cautiously, see notes in the spreadsheet
Green - small form-factor (gold and blue colors are disregarded due to scarcity of SFX PSUs)
Gold - best units in the tier (includes requirements for blue color in tier A)
Blue - quiet operation under moderate load

Tier A • Recommended for high-end systems
 

(multi/single-rail switchable)

be quiet! | Dark Power Pro 10 / Pro 11
Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker - V Platinum 2019 [MPZ]
Corsair | AXi (<=1500W / 1600W)- RMi - HXi - HX Platinum - Vengeance Silver
Enermax | Digifanless
NZXT | E

(multi-rail)

Antec | High Current Pro [HCP] Gold / Platinum - Truepower Classic
be quiet! | Straight Power 11 Gold / Platinum
Bitfenix | Formula Gold (<=550W/=>650W) [3] - Whisper (<=550W/=>650W) [3]
Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M
Delta | GM
Enermax | Platimax (1200/1350W) / D.F =>750W - Revolution D.F - MaxRevo
EVGA | Supernova NEX-G 1500W / PG 1500W
LEPA | MaxPlatinum
Seasonic | SSP-RT
Wentai | Aidan 1616W

(single-rail)

Abkoncore | CR Platinum
ADATA / XPG | Core Reactor
Aerocool | Project 7
Andyson | N - R - PX - TX - GX
Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold (pre/post 2018 y.) [1] / Extreme (pre/post 2018 y.) [1] - Signature Platinum / Titanium - Edge (<=750W/=>850W)
Asus | ROG Strix (pre/post 2018 y.) [1] / Thor
Chieftec / Chieftronic | Powerplay Gold / Platinum - GPS-500C Fanless
Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker MiJ - V Gold 2013 [RS] Semi-modular [VSM] / Fully modular - V Gold 2018 [MPY] =>750W - V Platinum 2013 [RSC]
Corsair | AX Gold / Platinum / Titanium - HX Gold 650W - RMx 2015 / 2018 - RM Gray - SF Gold / Platinum [2]
Cougar | GX-F (Aurum) - LLC
Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M-V2L
Delta | GPS-HB
Enermax | Platimax D.F <=600w - Maxtytan
EVGA | Supernova G2(L) / G3 / GS =>850W / GT / GM / P2 / PS / T2 (<=1200W/1600W)
Fractal Design | ION+ Platinum / SFX Gold - Edison M
FSP | Aurum PT / Pro - Hydro G / G Pro / X / PT / PTM / PTM Pro
Gamdias | Astrape P1 - Kratos P1 Gold - Cyclops X1
Gigabyte | G750H / XP-M 1200
Great Wall | E Gold (Frozen)
Green | Overclocking DG / EVO - High Performance+ - UK+
High Power | Super GD
Huntkey | MVP-G Gold - MVP-P Platinum
In Win | Premium Basic PB - A1 Plus Gold
Kingwin | Stryker
Kolink | Continuum C-PL 1500w
LC Power | LC1200 Platinum
Micronics | Astro Platinum
NZXT | C-series - H1
Phanteks | AMP - Revolt Pro (pre/post 2018 y.) [1] - Revolt X
Raidmax | Monster RX-AT
Riotoro | Enigma G2 (pre/post 2018 y.) [1] - Builder 1200w
Rosewill | Lightning - Silent Night - Quark - Capstone -XXXM / -XXX / -1000-M / G <=750W
Sama | Armor Gold / Platinum - Forza Gold / Platinum / Titanium
Seasonic | Focus FM / Plus FX / Plus PX / GX / GM / PX / SGX - Prime Gold / Platinum / Titanium / Fanless PX / Fanless TX / Snow Silent (Gold / Platinum / Titanium) / Airtouch - X Gold / Platinum / Fanless / Snow Silent - Connect - G RM - S12G RT - SSP-SFG - SSP-SUG
Sentey | Golden Steel GSP-HM V2 1050W
Sharkoon | Silentstorm Cool Zero
SilentiumPC | Supremo FM2
Silentmaxx | Fanless II
Silverstone | Strider Gold S 1500w / Platinum PT (<=850W/=>1000W) - SX-G <=500W - SX-PT - Nightjar SFX-L / ATX (Platinum / Titanium)
Super Flower | Leadex Gold / Platinum / Titanium / II / III (pre/post 2020 y.) / III (Pro) ARGB - Platinum King - Golden Silent
Thermaltake | Toughpower GF1 (ARGB) / PF1 ARGB / iRGB Plus (Gold/Platinum/Titanium) / Gold Semi-Modular 1500W / DPS G (Gold / Platinum) / DPS G RGB Titanium <=1250W / Grand Gold / Grand Platinum - Smart DPS G Gold X50W
Xigmatek | Hera Gold - XFP
XFX | Pro Black FM / Limited Edition - TS Gold - XT Gold - XTR (<=750W/=>850W) - XTR2 - XTS - XTS2 - XTI
Zalman | Acrux Platinum

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source.
[2] Corsair SF units with LOT codes from 194448* through 201148* potentially have problems, Corsair conducts a voluntary replacement, source.
[3] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.

 

- Variant B - remove gray and gold colors and split them off as separate tiers

 

We remove most of the color coding, keeping only colors for SFX (green) and quiet (blue) units at least for now.

Gold colored units will be moved to tiers X+ above current tiers.

Gray colored units will be moved to tiers X- below current tiers.

We haven't decided how to signify multi-rail units using this scheme as it would get rather messy if we keep it like it were before using subtiers (look at the example for variant A) but if we're going to implement this variant that would be a matter for the next discussion. For now i've merged multi-rail units with single-rail to just show-off the topic of this poll cleaner.

You decide whether this variant looks cleaner and more accessible.

 

How it looks :

Spoiler
Legend :
Green - small form-factor (gold and blue colors are disregarded due to scarcity of SFX PSUs)
Blue - quiet operation under moderate load (see detailed requirements in the spreadsheet)

Tier A+ • High-end units (high priority, the best units in the tier)

be quiet! | Straight Power 11 Gold
Antec | Signature (Platinum / Titanium)
Asus | ROG Thor
Bitfenix | Whisper =>650W [3]
Corsair | AXi 1600W - AX Titanium - RMi - HXi - HX Platinum - RMx 2018 - SF Platinum [2]
Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M
EVGA | Supernova T2 1600W
Enermax | Revolution D.F
NZXT | E
Phanteks | Revolt X
Seasonic | Focus [1] PX - Prime (Platinum / Titanium) / Fanless (PX / TX) / Snow Silent (Platinum / Titanium)
Super Flower | Leadex III post 2020 y. / III (Pro) ARGB
Thermaltake | Toughpower GF1 (ARGB) / iRGB Plus Platinum

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Corsair SF units with LOT codes from 194448* through 201148* potentially have problems, Corsair conducts a voluntary replacement, source.
[3] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.


Tier A • High-end units (normal priority)

be quiet! | Dark Power Pro 10 / Pro 11 - Straight Power 11 Platinum
ADATA / XPG | Core Reactor
Abkoncore | CR Platinum
Aerocool | Project 7
Andyson | N - R - PX - TX - GX
Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold post 2018 y. [1] / Extreme post 2018 y. [1] - High Current Pro [HCP] Gold / Platinum - Edge =>850W
Asus | ROG Strix post 2018 y. [1]
Bitfenix | Formula Gold =>650W [3]
Chieftec / Chieftronic | Powerplay Gold / Platinum - GPS-500C Fanless
Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker MiJ - V Gold 2013 [RS] Semi-modular [VSM] / Fully modular - V Platinum 2013 [RSC] - V Platinum 2019 [MPZ]
Corsair | AXi <=1500W - Vengeance Silver - AX (Gold / Platinum) - RMx 2015 - RM Gray - SF Gold [2]
Cougar | GX-F (Aurum) - LLC
Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M-V2L
EVGA | Supernova G2(L) / GS =>850W / GM / P2 / PS / T2 <=1200W
Enermax | Digifanless - Platimax (1200/1350W) / D.F - MaxRevo - Maxtytan
FSP | Aurum PT / Pro - Hydro G / G Pro / X / PT / PTM
Fractal Design | ION+ Platinum / SFX Gold
Gamdias | Astrape P1 - Cyclops X1
Gigabyte | G750H
Great Wall | E Gold (Frozen)
Green | Overclocking DG
High Power | Super GD
Huntkey | MVP-G Gold - MVP-P Platinum
In Win | Premium Basic PB
Kingwin | Stryker
Kolink | Continuum C-PL 1500w
LC Power | LC1200 Platinum
LEPA | MaxPlatinum
Micronics | Astro Platinum
NZXT | C - H1
Phanteks | AMP - Revolt Pro post 2018 y. [1]
Raidmax | Monster RX-AT
Riotoro | Enigma G2 post 2018 y. [1]
Rosewill | Lightning - Silent Night - Quark - Capstone -XXXM / -XXX / -1000-M / G <=750W
Sama | Forza Titanium
Seasonic | Focus [1] GX / GM / SGX - Prime Gold / Snow Silent Gold / Airtouch - X Gold / Platinum / Fanless / Snow Silent - Connect
Sharkoon | Silentstorm Cool Zero
SilentiumPC | Supremo FM2
Silentmaxx | Fanless II
Silverstone | Strider Gold S 1500w / Platinum PT <=850W - SX-G <=500W - SX-PT - Nightjar SFX-L / ATX (Platinum / Titanium)
Super Flower | Leadex Gold / Platinum / Titanium / II / III pre 2020 y. - Platinum King - Golden Silent
Thermaltake | Toughpower PF1 ARGB / iRGB Plus (Gold/Titanium) / Gold Semi-Modular 1500W / DPS G (Gold / Platinum) / DPS G RGB Titanium <=1250W / Grand Gold / - Smart DPS G Gold X50W
Wentai | Aidan 1616W
XFX | Pro Black FM / Limited Edition - XTR =>850W - XTS

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Corsair SF units with LOT codes from 194448* through 201148* potentially have problems, Corsair conducts a voluntary replacement, source.
[3] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.


Tier A- • High-end units (low priority, units with minor issues or lack of info)

Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold pre 2018 y. [1] / Extreme pre 2018 y. [1] - Edge <=750W - Truepower Classic
Asus | ROG Strix pre 2018 y. [1]
Bitfenix | Formula Gold <=550W [2] - Whisper <=550W [2]
Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker - V Gold 2018 [MPY] =>750W
Corsair | HX Gold 650W
Delta | GM - GPS-HB
EVGA | Supernova G3 - GT - NEX-G 1500W / PG 1500W
FSP | Hydro PTM Pro
Fractal Design | Edison M
Gamdias | Kratos P1 Gold
Gigabyte | XP-M 1200
Green | Overclocking EVO - High Performance+ - UK+
In Win | A1 Plus Gold
Phanteks | Revolt Pro pre 2018 y. [1]
Riotoro | Enigma G2 pre 2018 y. [1] - Builder 1200w
Sama | Armor Gold / Platinum - Forza Gold / Platinum
Seasonic | Focus FM / Plus FX / Plus PX - G RM - S12G RT - SSP-SFG - SSP-SUG - SSP-RT
Sentey | Golden Steel GSP-HM V2 1050W
Silverstone | Strider Gold Platinum PT =>1000W
Thermaltake | Toughpower Grand Platinum
XFX | TS Gold - XT Gold - XTR <=750W - XTR2 - XTS2 - XTI
Xigmatek | Hera Gold - XFP
Zalman | Acrux Platinum

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.
For all other units not mentioned above issues are rather minor and not worth mentioning here (they're listed in the spreadsheet) or these units are here temporarily until we'll have better reviews on them.

 

- Variant C - intermediate, split off gray units into tiers X-

Gold color is still there but gray units are split off to X- tiers below main tiers (for tiers A, B, C).

Spoiler
Legend :
Green - small form-factor (gold and blue colors are disregarded due to scarcity of SFX PSUs)
Gold - best units in the tier (includes requirements for blue color in tier A)
Blue - quiet operation under moderate load (see detailed requirements in the spreadsheet)

Tier A • High-end units
 
(multi/single-rail switchable)
• be quiet! | Dark Power Pro 10 / Pro 11
• Cooler Master | V Platinum 2019 [MPZ]
• Corsair | AXi (<=1500W / 1600W)- RMi - HXi - HX Platinum - Vengeance Silver
• Enermax | Digifanless
• NZXT | E
(multi-rail)
• Antec | High Current Pro [HCP] Gold / Platinum
• be quiet! | Straight Power 11 Gold / Platinum
• Bitfenix | Formula Gold =>650W [3] - Whisper =>650W [3]
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M
• Enermax | Platimax (1200/1350W) / D.F =>750W - Revolution D.F - MaxRevo
• LEPA | MaxPlatinum
• Wentai | Aidan 1616W
(single-rail)
• Abkoncore | CR Platinum
• ADATA / XPG | Core Reactor
• Aerocool | Project 7
• Andyson | N - R - PX - TX - GX
• Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold post 2018 y. [1] / Extreme post 2018 y. [1] - Signature Platinum / Titanium - Edge =>850W
• Asus | ROG Strix post 2018 y. [1] / Thor
• Chieftec / Chieftronic | Powerplay Gold / Platinum - GPS-500C Fanless
• Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker MiJ - V Gold 2013 [RS] Semi-modular [VSM] / Fully modular - V Platinum 2013 [RSC]
• Corsair | AX Gold / Platinum / Titanium - RMx 2015 / 2018 - RM Gray - SF Gold / Platinum [2]
• Cougar | GX-F (Aurum) - LLC
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M-V2L
• Enermax | Platimax D.F <=600w - Maxtytan
• EVGA | Supernova G2(L) / GS =>850W / GM / P2 / PS / T2 (<=1200W/1600W)
• Fractal Design | ION+ Platinum / SFX Gold
• FSP | Aurum PT / Pro - Hydro G / G Pro / X / PT / PTM
• Gamdias | Astrape P1 - Cyclops X1
• Gigabyte | G750H
• Great Wall | E Gold (Frozen)
• Green | Overclocking DG
• High Power | Super GD
• Huntkey | MVP-G Gold - MVP-P Platinum
• In Win | Premium Basic PB
• Kingwin | Stryker
• Kolink | Continuum C-PL 1500w
• LC Power | LC1200 Platinum
• Micronics | Astro Platinum
• NZXT | C-series - H1
• Phanteks | AMP - Revolt Pro post 2018 y. [1] - Revolt X
• Raidmax | Monster RX-AT
• Riotoro | Enigma G2 post 2018 y. [1]
• Rosewill | Lightning - Silent Night - Quark - Capstone -XXXM / -XXX / -1000-M / G <=750W
• Sama | Forza Titanium
• Seasonic | Focus [1] GX / GM / PX / SGX - Prime Gold / Platinum / Titanium / Fanless PX / Fanless TX / Snow Silent (Gold / Platinum / Titanium) / Airtouch - X Gold / Platinum / Fanless / Snow Silent - Connect -
• Sharkoon | Silentstorm Cool Zero
• SilentiumPC | Supremo FM2
• Silentmaxx | Fanless II
• Silverstone | Strider Gold S 1500w / Platinum PT <=850W - SX-G <=500W - SX-PT - Nightjar SFX-L / ATX (Platinum / Titanium)
• Super Flower | Leadex Gold / Platinum / Titanium / II / III (pre/post 2020 y.) / III (Pro) ARGB - Platinum King - Golden Silent
• Thermaltake | Toughpower GF1 (ARGB) / PF1 ARGB / iRGB Plus (Gold/Platinum/Titanium) / Gold Semi-Modular 1500W / DPS G (Gold / Platinum) / DPS G RGB Titanium <=1250W / Grand Gold / - Smart DPS G Gold X50W
• XFX | Pro Black FM / Limited Edition - XTR =>850W - XTS

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Corsair SF units with LOT codes from 194448* through 201148* potentially have problems, Corsair conducts a voluntary replacement, source.
[3] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.[/b]
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Tier A- • Low priority but still high-end units (minor issues or lack of info)

Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold pre 2018 y. [1] / Extreme pre 2018 y. [1] - Edge <=750W - Truepower Classic
Asus | ROG Strix pre 2018 y. [1]
Bitfenix | Formula Gold <=550W [2] - Whisper <=550W [2]
Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker - V Gold 2018 [MPY] =>750W
Corsair | HX Gold 650W
Delta | GM - GPS-HB
EVGA | Supernova G3 - GT - NEX-G 1500W / PG 1500W
FSP | Hydro PTM Pro
Fractal Design | Edison M
Gamdias | Kratos P1 Gold
Gigabyte | XP-M 1200
Green | Overclocking EVO - High Performance+ - UK+
In Win | A1 Plus Gold
Phanteks | Revolt Pro pre 2018 y. [1]
Riotoro | Enigma G2 pre 2018 y. [1] - Builder 1200w
Sama | Armor Gold / Platinum - Forza Gold / Platinum
Seasonic | Focus Gold / Plus Gold / Plus Platinum - G RM - S12G RT - SSP-SFG - SSP-SUG - SSP-RT
Sentey | Golden Steel GSP-HM V2 1050W
Silverstone | Strider Gold Platinum PT =>1000W
Thermaltake | Toughpower Grand Platinum
XFX | TS Gold - XT Gold - XTR <=750W - XTR2 - XTS2 - XTI
Xigmatek | Hera Gold - XFP
Zalman | Acrux Platinum

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.
For all other units not mentioned above issues are rather minor and not worth mentioning here (they're listed in the spreadsheet) or these units are here temporarily until we'll have better reviews on them.

 

- Variant D - uh ... another intermediate, split off gray units into inline subtiers

Gold color is still there but gray units are split off to inline subtiers at the bottom of each respective tier.

Spoiler

Legend :
Green - small form-factor (gold and blue colors are disregarded due to scarcity of SFX PSUs)
Gold - best units in the tier (includes requirements for blue color in tier A)
Blue - quiet operation under moderate load (see detailed requirements in the spreadsheet)

Tier A • High-end units
 

( multi/single-rail switchable )

• be quiet! | Dark Power Pro 10 / Pro 11
• Cooler Master | V Platinum 2019 [MPZ]
• Corsair | AXi (<=1500W / 1600W)- RMi - HXi - HX Platinum - Vengeance Silver
• Enermax | Digifanless
• NZXT | E

( multi-rail )

• Antec | High Current Pro [HCP] Gold / Platinum
• be quiet! | Straight Power 11 Gold / Platinum
• Bitfenix | Formula Gold =>650W [3] - Whisper =>650W [3]
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M
• Enermax | Platimax (1200/1350W) / D.F =>750W - Revolution D.F - MaxRevo
• LEPA | MaxPlatinum
• Wentai | Aidan 1616W

( single-rail )

• Abkoncore | CR Platinum
• ADATA / XPG | Core Reactor
• Aerocool | Project 7
• Andyson | N - R - PX - TX - GX
• Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold post 2018 y. [1] / Extreme post 2018 y. [1] - Signature Platinum / Titanium - Edge =>850W
• Asus | ROG Strix post 2018 y. [1] / Thor
• Chieftec / Chieftronic | Powerplay Gold / Platinum - GPS-500C Fanless
• Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker MiJ - V Gold 2013 [RS] Semi-modular [VSM] / Fully modular - V Platinum 2013 [RSC]
• Corsair | AX Gold / Platinum / Titanium - RMx 2015 / 2018 - RM Gray - SF Gold / Platinum [2]
• Cougar | GX-F (Aurum) - LLC
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M-V2L
• Enermax | Platimax D.F <=600w - Maxtytan
• EVGA | Supernova G2(L) / GS =>850W / GM / P2 / PS / T2 (<=1200W/1600W)
• Fractal Design | ION+ Platinum / SFX Gold
• FSP | Aurum PT / Pro - Hydro G / G Pro / X / PT / PTM
• Gamdias | Astrape P1 - Cyclops X1
• Gigabyte | G750H
• Great Wall | E Gold (Frozen)
• Green | Overclocking DG
• High Power | Super GD
• Huntkey | MVP-G Gold - MVP-P Platinum
• In Win | Premium Basic PB
• Kingwin | Stryker
• Kolink | Continuum C-PL 1500w
• LC Power | LC1200 Platinum
• Micronics | Astro Platinum
• NZXT | C-series - H1
• Phanteks | AMP - Revolt Pro post 2018 y. [1] - Revolt X
• Raidmax | Monster RX-AT
• Riotoro | Enigma G2 post 2018 y. [1]
• Rosewill | Lightning - Silent Night - Quark - Capstone -XXXM / -XXX / -1000-M / G <=750W
• Sama | Forza Titanium
• Seasonic | Focus [1] GX / GM / PX / SGX - Prime Gold / Platinum / Titanium / Fanless PX / Fanless TX / Snow Silent (Gold / Platinum / Titanium) / Airtouch - X Gold / Platinum / Fanless / Snow Silent - Connect -
• Sharkoon | Silentstorm Cool Zero
• SilentiumPC | Supremo FM2
• Silentmaxx | Fanless II
• Silverstone | Strider Gold S 1500w / Platinum PT <=850W - SX-G <=500W - SX-PT - Nightjar SFX-L / ATX (Platinum / Titanium)
• Super Flower | Leadex Gold / Platinum / Titanium / II / III (pre/post 2020 y.) / III (Pro) ARGB - Platinum King - Golden Silent
• Thermaltake | Toughpower GF1 (ARGB) / PF1 ARGB / iRGB Plus (Gold/Platinum/Titanium) / Gold Semi-Modular 1500W / DPS G (Gold / Platinum) / DPS G RGB Titanium <=1250W / Grand Gold / - Smart DPS G Gold X50W
• XFX | Pro Black FM / Limited Edition - XTR =>850W - XTS

( low priority units - minor issues or lack of info )

Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold pre 2018 y. [1] / Extreme pre 2018 y. [1] - Edge <=750W - Truepower Classic
Asus | ROG Strix pre 2018 y. [1]
Bitfenix | Formula Gold <=550W [2] - Whisper <=550W [2]
Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker - V Gold 2018 [MPY] =>750W
Corsair | HX Gold 650W
Delta | GM - GPS-HB
EVGA | Supernova G3 - GT - NEX-G 1500W / PG 1500W
FSP | Hydro PTM Pro
Fractal Design | Edison M
Gamdias | Kratos P1 Gold
Gigabyte | XP-M 1200
Green | Overclocking EVO - High Performance+ - UK+
In Win | A1 Plus Gold
Phanteks | Revolt Pro pre 2018 y. [1]
Riotoro | Enigma G2 pre 2018 y. [1] - Builder 1200w
Sama | Armor Gold / Platinum - Forza Gold / Platinum
Seasonic | Focus Gold / Plus Gold / Plus Platinum [1] - G RM - S12G RT - SSP-SFG - SSP-SUG - SSP-RT
Sentey | Golden Steel GSP-HM V2 1050W
Silverstone | Strider Gold Platinum PT =>1000W
Thermaltake | Toughpower Grand Platinum
XFX | TS Gold - XT Gold - XTR <=750W - XTR2 - XTS2 - XTI
Xigmatek | Hera Gold - XFP
Zalman | Acrux Platinum

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Corsair SF units with LOT codes from 194448* through 201148* potentially have problems, Corsair conducts a voluntary replacement, source.
[3] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.[/b]
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  1. 1. what variant is preferable for you?

    • Variant A: Keep it as is
      27
    • Variant B: remove colors and split tiers
      9
    • undecided
      5
    • Variant C: only split off gray-colored units
      4
    • Variant D: split off gray units to inline subtiers at the buttom
      6


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5 minutes ago, MrBrightSyde said:

wouldn't be surprised if they did) in which case

Not only that, there's also two Prime Gold revisions, GD and GD2 and then there's Prime Gold Ultra GD ... again. And i have no idea what's the difference between them.


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5 hours ago, Juular said:

Not only that, there's also two Prime Gold revisions, GD and GD2 and then there's Prime Gold Ultra GD ... again. And i have no idea what's the difference between them.

Hopefully this helps.

 

https://seasonic.com/oneseasonic

 

Also note that the Prime Platinum 1000W Ultra, now the Prime PX-1000, now has all the back ports with PCIE connectors, so now it has 8 (CPU/PCIE) connectors, and comes with 6 PCIE cables (all single connectors, not split).  The original one only had 6 PCIE connectors and I think came with two single connector 6+2 cables and two 6+2 / 6+2 split cables.

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8 minutes ago, Falkentyne said:

Hopefully this helps.

There's no PRIME non-Ultra tho but after some googling around it looks like Ultra are rather minor revision, removing in-cable caps and with slight changes to the platform. And PRIME Gold GD2 are probably just changes the box to indicate 12y warranty instead of 7+3y before that.


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5 hours ago, MrBrightSyde said:

I swear, EVGA and Seasonic loving screwing around with their naming schemes. Looked it up and there is two different models. In that case, what is the difference between Prime Gold and Prime Ultra Gold?

The Prime Gold uses the same platform as all of the other Prime (non-Ultra) and Prime Ultra Titanium, and is 16 cm long. At least the lower wattage Prime Ultra Gold (and Prime Ultra Platinum) use the same platform as the Focus, but are improved, and are 14 cm long.


 

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I think the hoomans put their builds here?

Why do you hoomans give your builds a name? Here's my build, which I shall call "Do as I Say, Not As I Do" (seriously, don't get this build)

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Ryzen 1500X @3,925 GHz

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo + 2x ML120

MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic

2x8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 MHz CL15 (Micron B-die) @2933 MHz

Sapphire Radeon R9 280 Dual-X @1120 MHz / 1450 MHz

120GB 850 Evo

120GB Kingston SSD

500GB WD Blue

Cooler Master Elite 430

Seasonic Prime Titanium 650W

Logitech G710 with Kailh Box Jade

Logitech G502

HyperX Cloud

And my laptop, which I shall call "If It's Stupid But It Works" (It can actually play CS:GO at 50 FPS, and Civ V at 25 FPS)

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Lenovo Thinkpad L460

Intel Core i3 6100U

4GB (probably) DDR4 2133 MHz

Intel HD Graphics 520 0.3-1.0 GHz

128GB Samsung MZ7LF128HCHP

Corsair M65 Pro RGB (worst mouse I've ever had)

Sennheiser CX 5.00G

And here would be where I would put a picture of my cat. But apparently, images are not allowed here. So take this instead (*ΦωΦ*)

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Hi people; a friend of mine is buying a pre-built pc consisting of; rtx 2070,and ryzen 3600x

 

the pc containts this psu;

 

https://www.incehesap.com/cooler-master-mpe-7001-acabw-eu-700w-80-fanli-power-supply-fiyati-43553/

 

can this psu carry this system on gaming only ? (hes not going to heavy rendering or anything; he plans to stream but he will do so via a capture card). but still, i know high end gpus tend to require high quality psus for optimal operation so i wondered if this psu is capable... 

 

i couldnt find it on the list so i figured asking here , thanks in advance :)

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1 minute ago, Juular said:

Judging by model number 'ACABW" it's MWE V2 80+. It's in tier D because there are problems with ripple at low load, i'd recommend to replace it probably, it's not smth you want to use with RTX2070 anyway.

i got the enigma g2, but uh i think it doesnt show the date in the serial code unfortunately. It says 1804 which would make it the 4th month of 2018, but every review of the PSU ive seen is either 1709 or 1804 and the reviews were way past those dates... So i think its something else unfortunately

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4 minutes ago, NeptuneIX said:

i got the enigma g2, but uh i think it doesnt show the date in the serial code unfortunately. It says 1804 which would make it the 4th month of 2018, but every review of the PSU ive seen is either 1709 or 1804 and the reviews were way past those dates... So i think its something else unfortunately

Focus GX, new revisions of it are based on presumably, doesn't have in-cable capacitors in PCI-e cables. Those bulky non-bendy things near the GPU end, check if they're there, if not - that's a GX revision.


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1 minute ago, Juular said:

Focus GX, new revisions of it are based on presumably, doesn't have in-cable capacitors in PCI-e cables. Those bulky non-bendy things near the GPU end, check if they're there, if not - that's a GX revision.

Would you mind linking me or showing me a picture of what you mean?

 

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2 minutes ago, NeptuneIX said:

Would you mind linking me or showing me a picture of what you mean?

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old FX-based Riotoro Enigma G2

https://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/riotoro-enigma-850w-g2-power-supply-review/2/

vs

new GX-based Phanteks AMP

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phanteks-amp-series-650w-power-supply-review

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Riotoro might as well not use ribboned cables but they should be smooth, without bulges (on PCI-e cables).


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1 hour ago, Juular said:

Judging by model number 'ACABW" it's MWE V2 80+. It's in tier D because there are problems with ripple at low load, i'd recommend to replace it probably, it's not smth you want to use with RTX2070 anyway.

hmm, you can regard this as a personal question (for myself); what happens when ripple is bad at low load?

 

how does this psu fares in general (like normal load ripple?). are its capacitors good enough in quality?

 

or other way around; if its ripple was okay at low load as well, what would its tier be? is ripple at low load a huge metric when you're tiering these PSUs?

 

are there any higher tier psus that is bad at low load ripple but excels on other conditions?

 

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im asking these questions out of curiousty completely btw. :) i will make sure try my best to convince him to get a petter psu ASAP.

 

but sadly, the system on its way and he really wants to use it for some time. can it quickly become a danger for the system? (like 1-3 months). since i cannot say this exactly, i cannot convince him otherwise. because the retailer he bought the pc from (incehesap) reassures him that the psu is perfectly fine and does not need any change, so he kinda doesn't want to believe me completely in a sense (the friend and his friends in general; the psu culture in turkey is horrible. 

 

when u say a psu is bad, they are quickly like: WTF ITS 700W ITS VERY GOOD ITS VERY EXPENSIVE ITS GOOD YOU'RE EXEGGERATING etc etc :) )

 

 

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@Juular also maybe the issue in focus plus was fixed? Like there's like 2 people in a tech discord im in and like:
One has tried a vega 56 n rtx 2060 with a 3600 with no problems

and this other guy "I've been using a seasonic focus plus 550w since last april. used it with I think 10 different cards

most power hungry was probably an r9 fury"
 
Apparently theyre saying the fixes that were made(the ones in 2018) to focus plus actually fixed it(although people on this forum said that it didnt)
 
Edit: Yeah I think i'm just gonna run under that basis, there's no proof that these fixes didn't actually fix it, like if these people havent had a problem with theirs on these high transient GPUs i have no reason to believe it wasnt actually fixed in 2018 when seasonic did so
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1 hour ago, NeptuneIX said:

also maybe the issue in focus plus was fixed?

Ehh, Focus is in the eol phase anyway and it's replaced by GX. But the problems with FX concerned the first revisions and only a small group with a specific gpu used.
I know people who build very efficient workstations (e.g. 4x Titan RTX, selected 7980xe with massive LC etc.), hundreds of Focus went through their hands paired with different cards and they had no problems reported by their customers at all.

 

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22 minutes ago, Sapphiree said:

Ehh, Focus is in the eol phase anyway and it's replaced by GX. But the problems with FX concerned the first revisions and only a small group with a specific gpu used.
I know people who build very efficient workstations (e.g. 4x Titan RTX, selected 7980xe with massive LC etc.), hundreds of Focus went through their hands paired with different cards and they had no problems reported by their customers at all.

 

yep it appears so, if the date in the serial number is actually the date (1804 which means 4th month of 2018) then im fine since the fixed focus plus models started production in january(stated by seasonic) or april(stated on tomshardware) so either way im fine

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2 hours ago, viceice said:

hmm, you can regard this as a personal question (for myself); what happens when ripple is bad at low load?

 

how does this psu fares in general (like normal load ripple?). are its capacitors good enough in quality?

It's decent budget PSU if we forget about high low load ripple but i wouldn't buy it for RTX2070, but since it's prebuild it would've been okay (if not for ripple).

High ripple puts the load on VRM capacitors (be it motherboard or GPU), decreasing their lifetime, possibly affecting stability too.

It was in tier B before we found out about the ripple IIRC.

The best way to assure him would probably to show a review which showed that issues and the fact that CM themselves are aware of that and the fix should be ready in next revision which have been delayed due to ongoing epidemic. But i don't have that review myself. @LukeSavenije might provide some info too.

2 hours ago, viceice said:

WTF ITS 700W ITS VERY GOOD ITS VERY EXPENSIVE

The PC as a whole ? Maybe. That particular PSU ? No, it's low-end budget PSU, like 50 EUR at most, it's no match for RTX2070.

2 hours ago, NeptuneIX said:

also maybe the issue in focus plus was fixed? Like there's like 2 people in a tech discord im in and like

AFAIK these issues weren't like 100% if you get old revision. Some people were using old Focus with Vegas just fine. I can only speculate but i suspect that this problem were more like QC or supplier related and Seasonic made some changes to their supply chain \ QVL to mitigate it in newer revisions. But again, if you don't plan to use Vega with it you'll be completely fine, the most power hungry nVidia GPU, RTX2080Ti has transient peaks 1.5x smaller than AMD Vega. And RX5700XT should be fine too (although i obviously can't say anything about future AMD or nVidia GPUs).


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19 minutes ago, Juular said:

It's decent budget PSU if we forget about high low load ripple but i wouldn't buy it for RTX2070, but since it's prebuild it would've been okay (if not for ripple).

High ripple puts the load on VRM capacitors (be it motherboard or GPU), decreasing their lifetime, possibly affecting stability too.

It was in tier B before we found out about the ripple IIRC.

The best way to assure him would probably to show a review which showed that issues and the fact that CM themselves are aware of that and the fix should be ready in next revision which have been delayed due to ongoing epidemic. But i don't have that review myself. @LukeSavenije might provide some info too.

The PC as a whole ? Maybe. That particular PSU ? No, it's low-end budget PSU, like 50 EUR at most, it's no match for RTX2070.

AFAIK these issues weren't like 100% if you get old revision. Some people were using old Focus with Vegas just fine. I can only speculate but i suspect that this problem were more like QC or supplier related and Seasonic made some changes to their supply chain \ QVL to mitigate it in newer revisions. But again, if you don't plan to use Vega with it you'll be completely fine, the most power hungry nVidia GPU, RTX2080Ti has transient peaks 1.5x smaller than AMD Vega. And RX5700XT should be fine too (although i obviously can't say anything about future AMD or nVidia GPUs).

Tbh im just speculating here but based on the response ive gotten from people that have actually used seasonic focus plus i think that there wasn't really that big of an issue to begin with... Like it probably happened on a small group of people and then seasonic fixed it in early 2018, but people in this forum seem really adamant that it's still an issue on all focus plus which i dont think it is judging by the statements of the people that have used the focus plus with these 'high transient' GPUs...
Tbh i dont think ive seen anyone complain about having such an issue w/ the seasonic focus plus at all, it was only the statement made by seasonic that riled people up lol

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https://www.teknobiyotik.com/high-power-600w-80-bronze-eco-aktif-pfc-yuksek-verimli-guc-kaynagi-hpe-600br-a12s.html

 

Okay, another one (this comes from my another friend)

 

This friend of mine (a different one) bought a preinstalled pc ( 😛 again ) about 2 months ago. It had a 2700x, rtx 2060 super.

 

Now he's having problems with his pc, sometimes while in gaming screen gets dark and stays like that and fans go %100 while the monitor shows signal is lost or something like hat.

 

i think this psu is probably very very low end, right? how likely the cause is psu? any info can be found on this unit? 

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1 minute ago, NeptuneIX said:

Tbh im just speculating here but based on the response ive gotten from people that have actually used seasonic focus plus i think that there wasn't really that big of an issue to begin with... Like it probably happened on a small group of people and then seasonic fixed it in early 2018, but people in this forum seem really adamant that it's still an issue on all focus plus which i dont think it is judging by the statements of the people that have used the focus plus with these 'high transient' GPUs...

If it's an issue for *some* people then we can't recommend it to *all* people because *some* of them may end-up with issues.


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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

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PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

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2 minutes ago, Juular said:

If it's an issue for *some* people then we can't recommend it to *all* people because *some* of them may end-up with issues.

I mean yea i get what you say... but have there been actual reports of people having this issue AFTER the early 2018 fixes, i certainly havent seen people say that

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2 minutes ago, NeptuneIX said:

but have there been actual reports of people having this issue AFTER the early 2018 fixes, i certainly havent seen people say that

It seems so, yes. I mean, i have seen some but they're not very prevalent.

 

10 minutes ago, viceice said:

i think this psu is probably very very low end, right? how likely the cause is psu? any info can be found on this unit? 

Can't find anything, maybe @OrionFOTL could help. But looking at the label it's probably group regulated which is no good. Swapping the PSU with another one (decent at least) temporarily would help in confirming your suspicions.


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2 minutes ago, Juular said:

It seems so, yes. I mean, i have seen some but they're not very prevalent.

I doubt you have them at hand, I certainly haven't seen anyone mentioning that they have it personally even after googling, but even if you have seen some i wouldn't treat it as concrete proof that it's an issue thats directly connected to this specific line of PSUs(heck, the gigabyte vegas used to fail all the time), like a minority experiencing issue(which may be a separate issue than what was happening w/ the focus plus) can happen on ANY psu.
Tbh i see your point of view but this is just my opinion.
Btw its 100% a fact that mine's a focus plus right

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1 minute ago, NeptuneIX said:

I doubt you have them at hand

Not going to dig them but i've seen a couple of such reports just at this forum alone with Focus V2 and new shielded cables but there are definitely a possibility that there were smth else affecting GPU stability, i don't remember exactly what were a conclusion in those threads.

 


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