[EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8

[Trentonxx]

12 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

seasonic, for some reason, is still very popular among people. 

back when I made my first pc it was one of the top brand for PSU alongside Enermax, I don't know if/when things have changed..

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Trentonxx said:

back when I made my first pc it was one of the top brand for PSU alongside Enermax, I don't know if/when things have changed..

reputation wise, that really hasnt changed for seasonic. 

 

their top end products are good. lower end? not so much. 

[Trentonxx]

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

lower end? not so much. 

that's something I couldn't explain from looking at this Tier list.
like... a brand like Antec has 1 spot on the Tier S, then one in B and finally all their lineup in the "Tier D - Potentially dangerous"

how is it even possible? like: "oh yeah we make cheap and low quality power supply but let's build one of the best with every right component in the right place"??

also some brands that only make Power Supplies are expected to have a better quality than brands who sell 20 different kinds of products from RAM to Cases

it also gets more confusing with brands like Corsair which has a complicated naming scheme, with refurbished or re-branded psu from other vendors.

I used to browse jonnyguru.com to get the last word on the quality of a PSU before adding it to the cart. but his reputation on here and reddit seems controversial lately

[Bramez]

Hi just want to ask, is silverstone essential et550-hg good enough?

My rig 

R5 3600 stock

Msi rx 5600xt updated bios

2x8g team elite pc3000

Msi b450a pro max

1 ssd

2 hdd 

5 fan

Thx in advance

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Trentonxx said:

how is it even possible?

because they dont make the PSUs. they contract people to do that for them. 

 

the top tier unit being a Delta GM. 

3 minutes ago, Trentonxx said:

but his reputation on here and reddit seems controversial lately

nah, jonny is still good. dont see why anyone would see him as controversial. 

4 minutes ago, Trentonxx said:

it also gets more confusing with brands like Corsair which has a complicated naming scheme, with refurbished or re-branded psu from other vendors.

corsair contract people to make their PSUs. and their current naming scheme is fairly good actually. if you know the names that is. 

 

and in terms of naming schemes, Corsair is by far not the worst. 

[Trentonxx]

thanks!

[Juular]

53 minutes ago, Trentonxx said:

a brand like Antec has 1 spot on the Tier S, then one in B and finally all their lineup in the "Tier D - Potentially dangerous"

Because tier S one are manufactured by Delta and almost all other units are made by Seasonic, and most of their modern lineup are in tier D+ because of issues with the Seasonic platform, that's the topic for evergoing debate on this thread, look no further than the previous page and you'll see why. It's not like Seasonic are bad, but that particular platform (Focus FX) had issues, were replaced with newer revision (Focus GX) but people still freak out why we put it in tier D+ despite they wouldn't just make a new SKU out of thin air and discontinue old one if it were performing without issues. Until it would be confirmed that Antec (and other Focus FX rebrands) use Focus GX in newer revision, it doesn't make sense to move them back to tier A, there are a lot of other options, better to get a good PSU from other brand that would work reliably than one from 'respectable' brand - Seasonic, which possibly would cause you problems.

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also some brands that only make Power Supplies are expected to have a better quality than brands who sell 20 different kinds of products from RAM to Cases

No idea why people think like that, it doesn't make any sense. Regardless, it's not about the brand but specific hardware in question. As you see, neither a PSU-only brand like Seasonic are safe from mistakes nor relatively unknown brands like Bitfenix or wide-spectre brands like Corsair and EVGA are bound to make trash.

53 minutes ago, Trentonxx said:

it also gets more confusing with brands like Corsair which has a complicated naming scheme, with refurbished or re-branded psu from other vendors.

Almost all units in this tier list aren't made by the brand-name, only Seasonic and Super Flower sell their PSUs under their own brand, but again, that doesn't mean anything, look at the performance of hardware, not the brand.

53 minutes ago, Trentonxx said:

I used to browse jonnyguru.com to get the last word on the quality of a PSU before adding it to the cart. but his reputation on here and reddit seems controversial lately

Fist of all, he doesn't review PSUs for a long time already, all latest reviews there are from OklahomaWolf. I guess, because he doesn't have much free time now, working with Corsair, nor it's ethically right to review other brand PSUs if you work for Corsair and he understands that. So i have no idea where that came from. For the good source on PSU reviews, Aris is currently the man to go, he makes reviews for THG, TweakTown and tests them for Cybenetics.

[Juular]

1 hour ago, Bramez said:

Hi just want to ask, is silverstone essential et550-hg good enough?

For this GPU - yes, it might whine with smth more powerful tho.

[Lucolate]

Question but how models like mwe v2 80+ who are not even bronze manage to be in the same tier as other products that even have gold certification?

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, Lucolate said:

Question but how models like mwe v2 80+ who are not even bronze manage to be in the same tier as other products that even have gold certification?

well... this does show 80+ rating doesn't equal quality

 

mwe v2 is one of the few LLC half bridges (or rather, the only one i've seen on consumer), except that it needs a fix on the 10% ripple which should be done in around a month according to cm, it might even go up to b+ for this

[seon123]

5 minutes ago, Lucolate said:

Question but how models like mwe v2 80+ who are not even bronze manage to be in the same tier as other products that even have gold certification?

The 80+ rating only rates the efficiency. It says nothing about how good a PSU is. You can make a terrible PSU that's very efficient, and you can make an excellent PSU that's not very efficient.

[ShoByte]

What is the difference? Both are PX models. Are they the same just labeled differently?

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/dCs8TW/seasonic-focus-plus-platinum-750w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-750px

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/kjZzK8/seasonic-focus-750-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-focus-px-750

[Lucolate]

Thank you both for the heads up and i will probably sound weird for asking this but how such issues like:

30 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

needs a fix on the 10% ripple which should be done in around a month according to cm, it might even go up to b+ for this

can be fixed when the product is allready out in the wild?

[LukeSavenije]

5 minutes ago, ShoByte said:

What is the difference? Both are PX models. Are they the same just labeled differently?

the first is the 2017 model, the second the 2019 model

 

since the 2017 model had the ripple issues, hence it being in tier d+ currently, i would recommend getting the 2019 version of it, since it has those fixed

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, Lucolate said:

can be fixed when the product is allready out in the wild?

they're bringing out a second revision without semi-fanless mode, but yes, they can

[ShoByte]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

the first is the 2017 model, the second the 2019 model

 

since the 2017 model had the ripple issues, hence it being in tier d+ currently, i would recommend getting the 2019 version of it, since it has those fixed

Only the FM and FX models are listed in D+ I do not see 2017 PX

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, ShoByte said:

Only the FM and FX models are listed in D+ I do not see 2017 PX

that's indeed an error from my side... the px 2017 did have those issues i mentioned

[ShoByte]

My choices are, because of my cable mods cables

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/VfM323

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/kjZzK8

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/DRVG3C/asus-rog-strix-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-rog-strix-650g

 

I didn't see any mention of monitoring software for the asus. I'm assuming you have it as either or. However, I don't see digital circuit documented anywhere.

 

The prime gold is $17 cheaper than the PX platinum. I'm leaning towards the prime gold unless there is a reason to get the asus or the seasonic GX plat.

 

There is phanteks, but i'm not paying $30 shipping.

[Elisis]

Is Strix no longer old FX-based? It ought to stay on the same tier as FX if it is, unless it's an NZXT E situation, I would assume?

[ShoByte]

idk by logic of this thread it shouldn't be FX

[huangorino]

Came to here because looking to get a new psu.

No sure why it under "TIER E - DANGEROUS" XDD

but I got myself Corsair VS650 back then in 2014 and it only started to occur problem (power on problem) last month after I changed RTX 2060

 

My system:

i7 4790, 16GB DDR3,

from GTX 650 > 950 > 1060 > 2060

PC powered on at least 6 hours per day now, back then 24/7 in my 3 years of college year.

 

Thanks "TIER E" psu for serving me for more than 6 years. XD

[Troika]

Anyone know where the Lepa G Series 1600w 80+ gold unit sits at? Its a pretty old psu but if the quality is decent enough, I want to pick it up for my torture bench for multi-gpu testing and overclocking.

[GoldenLag]

20 minutes ago, Troika said:

Anyone know where the Lepa G Series 1600w 80+ gold unit sits at? Its a pretty old psu but if the quality is decent enough, I want to pick it up for my torture bench for multi-gpu testing and overclocking.

on the legacy-legacy list it is located at Tier A. dont know how that would translate to today. 

 

do you need 1600w? because you can go for higher end powersupplies that are a little less wattage around the same price. 

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

on the legacy-legacy list it is located at Tier A. dont know how that would translate to today. 

 

do you need 1600w? because you can go for higher end powersupplies that are a little less wattage around the same price. 

From what I remember about the unit it would probably be in somewhere around B+.

[Juular]

1 hour ago, Troika said:

Anyone know where the Lepa G Series 1600w 80+ gold unit sits at? Its a pretty old psu but if the quality is decent enough, I want to pick it up for my torture bench for multi-gpu testing and overclocking.

Full-bridge, complete protections set but can't find any info of whether it supports c6\c7 power states, probably not since it were released in 2013 but it may still be able to cope with c6\c7 crossloads, so if it does it would've been at tier A. Although, if you have any other options from tier A\A+ with maybe 1200W (enough for two RTX2080TI's with Threadripper) i'd recommend to pick them instead.

2 hours ago, huangorino said:

Thanks "TIER E" psu for serving me for more than 6 years. XD

It's not like tier E units are guaranteed bombs (some of them are tho), but they're definitely not capable of handling modern PCs properly (mainly because they're group regulated) and the fact that it doesn't go well with RTX2060 shows that. They may work well for years and then suddenly smth goes wrong because they emit shitload of ripple, voltage regulation may go wildly out of spec and this stresses every other component. Just don't use them in modern PC (post-Haswell CPU with any discrete GPU that has PCI-e power connectors) and even for low-tier PCs there's still very cheap but way better options like Corsair CX450 or maybe smth like Seasonic S12lll \ EVGA BR if you're really short of money.

8 hours ago, ShoByte said:

My choices are, because of my cable mods cables

I'd go with PRIME Ultra Gold. ASUS Strix isn't confirmed to switch for Focus GX so it's not clear if it really doesn't suffer from the issues with Focus FX platform and Focus PX are just more expensive.