[EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8

[seon123]

12 minutes ago, manchild said:

ty

 

for the VS one, does the same grey side apply too? e.g. i see an orange VS here https://www.umart.com.au/Corsair-450W-VS-Series-VS450-Power-Supply---80-PLUS-White-Certification_22907G.html, its different from the grey one right?

The VS is completely different from the CX. The new ones are grey, but the wattages are the same, so some retailers may be selling the new ones with the wrong images. 

But again, it's a completely different PSU. 

[Dehaka]

1 minute ago, seon123 said:

The VS is completely different from the CX. The new ones are grey, but the wattages are the same, so some retailers may be selling the new ones with the wrong images. 

But again, it's a completely different PSU. 

i can get the CX for $13.8 more ($AU), is it worth it?

[seon123]

24 minutes ago, manchild said:

i can get the CX for $13.8 more ($AU), is it worth it?

If it is a system with a dGPU, definitely. 

[minibois]

What are the educated opinions on this PSU?

 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Power-Supply/GP-AP850GM#kf

https://pcper.com/2018/10/gigabyte-aorus-p850w-gold-power-supply-review/6/

[Princess Luna]

39 minutes ago, minibois said:

What are the educated opinions on this PSU?

Looks to be pretty decent, major issue would be single rail on the 12v which at 850W is not ideal.

 

The cooling fan is on the cheap side too and the layout of the components could indicate a bit warm operation so this unit is gonna be somewhat loud for its price point.

 

I would consider it on pair with the TXM (2017) for what reviews indicates of it's overall performance, it's a good PSU just maybe a tad too expensive facing alternatives like the RMx.

[OrionFOTL]

3 hours ago, minibois said:

What are the educated opinions on this PSU?

 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Power-Supply/GP-AP850GM#kf

https://pcper.com/2018/10/gigabyte-aorus-p850w-gold-power-supply-review/6/

Check here for a review by Aris: https://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/aris-bitziopoulos/gigabyte-aorus-gp-ap850gm-psu-review

It has very great performance and it's as good as units like Corsair RMx or Bitfenix Whisper M (or much better in some regards, like transient response), but it's louder than those.

[dizmo]

I don't think you really need a revision number...it's kind of meaningless.

[LukeSavenije]

16 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I don't think you really need a revision number...it's kind of meaningless.

it's mostly a quick show that things changed for people

 

and with that i note changes for each revision in a spoiler

[Juular]

2 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

it's mostly a quick show that things changed for people

 

and with that i note changes for each revision in a spoiler

I think what they mean is that you already have a version so also having a revision is redundant.

[LukeSavenije]

14 minutes ago, Juular said:

I think what they mean is that you already have a version so also having a revision is redundant.

the version is purely that it's the 4th version

 

1.0: OP Aniallation

2.0: OP STRMfrmXMN

3.0: OP LienusLateTips

4.0: OP LukeSavenije

[MadAnt250]

On 10/23/2019 at 1:15 PM, LukeSavenije said:

Tier C is required to have OPP, SCP, UVP, OVP, inrush current limiting and meet c6/c7 crossloads.

Nice work, looks like it took a lot of time. Also just interested, which one or few of the requirements for tier C did the Evga W1 not meet? And...

Is my potato safe?

[Juular]

11 hours ago, MadAnt250 said:

Nice work, looks like it took a lot of time. Also just interested, which one or few of the requirements for tier C did the Evga W1 not meet? And...

Is my potato safe?

It's group regulated so it can't meet C6\C7 crossloads.

[LukeSavenije]

1 hour ago, Juular said:

It's group regulated so it can't meet C6\C7 crossloads.

well... most don't

 

it's more the UVP

 

@MadAnt250 what is your potato like?

[SuperFlower]

@Princess Luna, @DatTestBench, @Stefan Payne, @GreatMasterAden, @PSUGuru @LukeSavenije

Amazing how bad these informations are, and I'm wondering how come we find it here in this forum? First of all, super flower leadex silver models 550w/650w are listed as tier b? On what planet do this people live? That psu is a fully modular with 140mm fan with eco button on/off and excellent build quality. I recently builded 2 pcs, oane with a 550w leadex silver and one with a 650w leadex gold II, and the build quality of the 550w was better thant the newer leadex gold II one. Apart from the caps used, there isn't any difference between leadex silver and gold, and find it a shame to put such a good psu at tier B.

Heres a specialized review:

https://lab501.ro/carcase-surse/review-super-flower-leadex-silver-650w-sf-650f14mt

 

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At a price of 389 lei, Super Flower Leadex Silver 650W is an option worth considering even if you have either SLI or CrossfireX configuration. I was impressed by the quietness, the tension setting but also the generous power reserve ... all the care issues from this care. If the care efficiency is not "only" 80PLUS Silver and the secondary CapXon capacitors, then Leadex Silver is approaching the danger of much improvement, especially considering the friendly price. To be honest I find it very difficult to find another psu in this price category that is more attractive than the Super Flower Leadex Silver 650W, which means it's the best buy statement for the under $ 100 segment. If only Super Flower sources that represent a compromise in any chapter have been tested lately, Leadex Silver is something else entirely. Okay, that if you don't have the dwarves to care, the efficiency of the gold up and the Japanese capacitors in full. Then it is good to focus on spreading, but it will cost you significantly more if you want to reserve power and establish the tensions guaranteed by the Leadex series.

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The results obtained are in line with what we would have expected from the Leadex platform and all its derivatives, however, beyond expectations taking into account the price of this source. The power reserve is generous, reaching 836W (ie 29% over the power recorded on the label), with very good voltage stability even in this aggressive overload regime. We encounter the biggest voltage drop - as usual - at the PCI-Express power supply of the two video cards when we push the source to the OCP. Even so, 12.03v is an exceptional result considering the enormous consumption of two AMD Radeon HD 7970 cards in CrossFireX with overclocking at 1000MHz / 1500MHz and a supply voltage of 1.12v. For those interested in the figures, the maximum voltage variation of + 12v was 1.06% and on the rail of + 5v we had a positive variation of 0.6% (due to the feedback meant to compensate the voltage drop on the + 12v line ). I can say that the results obtained by SF-650F14MT in tests are excellent both in terms of voltage stability, quietness in operation and in terms of power reserve which is more than generous.

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, beast said:

flower leadex silver models 550w/650w are listed as tier b?

give me a reason to move it higher and i'll move it

 

and i don't care about the fan, methodology is shown in the spoiler

[SuperFlower]

It has OCP, OPP, SCP, OTP, UVP, OVP, inrush current limiting, independent regulation, ACRF/Half-/Full bridge and meets c6/c7 crossloads

Check out the product page:

https://www.super-flower.com.tw/product-data.php?productID=50&lang=en

https://www.super-flower.com.tw/product-data.php?productID=52&lang=en

 

And please read the full review from lab501 that I've posted earlier.

These units deserve to be Tier A psu along with Leadex Gold as the difference between silver and gold for Leadex is too little.

[Juular]

5 minutes ago, beast said:

Amazing how bad these informations are, and I'm wondering how come we find it here  this forum?

First of all, if you have anything to add, do it. It's not necessary to insult the people that donate their free time to make this tier list to help other people choose the PSU. You have tiering methodology in the post, i'm no expert so i don't know why exactly this PSU goes to tier B but it doesn't look like you know it either, people maintaining this list decided that it doesn't. Second, tier B isn't bad tier per se, just that PSUs from higher tiers are better in some way or another (again, according to tiering methodology), bad tiers are tier D and F. Tier B units are perfectly okay for most PCs with single low-power GPU (like less powerful than ~RTX2070 or RX5700) if you can find them considerably cheaper than those from higher tiers.

[MEC-777]

13 minutes ago, beast said:

@Princess Luna, @DatTestBench, @Stefan Payne, @GreatMasterAden, @PSUGuru @LukeSavenije

Amazing how bad these informations are, and I'm wondering how come we find it here in this forum? First of all, super flower leadex silver models 550w/650w are listed as tier b? On what planet do this people live? That psu is a fully modular with 140mm fan with eco button on/off and excellent build quality. I recently builded 2 pcs, oane with a 550w leadex silver and one with a 650w leadex gold II, and the build quality of the 550w was better thant the newer leadex gold II one. Apart from the caps used, there isn't any difference between leadex silver and gold, and find it a shame to put such a good psu at tier B.

Heres a specialized review:

https://lab501.ro/carcase-surse/review-super-flower-leadex-silver-650w-sf-650f14mt

2 things to note:

 

-Tier B are not particularly bad units, they just aren't as good as the ones in the tiers above.

-That review is from 2016. Standards have changed and the bar has been raised.

[SuperFlower]

The Leadex silver is an excellent psu with great ripple and components, protections, not so different from the Leadex Gold model, in fact they are mostly the same apart form the caps.

Found this and it explains it all:

https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/d6pm63/common_psu_misconceptions_adopted_from_ltt_forum/

[Juular]

12 minutes ago, beast said:

Found this and it explains it all:

https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/d6pm63/common_psu_misconceptions_adopted_from_ltt_forum/

And you see any of this reiterated here ? All these points are valid and this tier list aren't based on any of this, again, methodology are in the first post.

[Guest]

Brand loyalty is a strange thing.

[LukeSavenije]

1 hour ago, beast said:

as the difference between silver and gold for Leadex is too little.

after a quick look again it looks a lot more like a far downgraded leadex gold

 

or rather, a slightly upgraded leadex bronze...

[SuperFlower]

There is no Leadex Bronze. Leadex is a psu lineup from superflower which consist of sliver, gold and platinum. The same platform is present in all the Leadex psu, mainly different is the efficiency.

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, beast said:

There is no Leadex Bronze

small correction then, they called it bronze king

[SuperFlower]

It is not based on leadex platform tho. This psu tier list is laughable, I have given the mods examples and reviews, evidence and they still don't respond with facts, truly is a psu tier list made by amaterus and should not be taken in consideration.