[EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8

[Man]

Probably a strange question but... does PSU's weight matter?!

 

Picked-up a VS550 the other day and it felt cheap, feathery and just... pathetic, despite the rave reviews! Meanwhile, even 350W units from brands such as FSP and Delta feel substantial and well built. I've a Dell T3500 with a 525W PSU and it almost feels like a brick compared to the VS550, despite having 25W less theoretical output.

[Ankerson]

2 minutes ago, Man said:

Probably a strange question but... does PSU's weight matter?!

 

Picked-up a VS550 the other day and it felt cheap, feathery and just... pathetic, despite the rave reviews! Meanwhile, even 350W units from brands such as FSP and Delta feel substantial and well built. I've a Dell T3500 with a 525W PSU and it almost feels like a brick compared to the VS550, despite having 25W less theoretical output.

 

Not as much as it used to no.

 

 

[MrBrightSyde]

1 hour ago, Tuupertunut said:

The OP and the spreadsheet disagree on whether Antec Earthwatts D Green and non-D Green are in tier C or D. Could someone fix it and tell which one is correct?

The spreadsheet is the most up-to-date in the Changelog tab. The OP only gets updated when Luke updates it, but there are more people with editing perms on the spreadsheet who can update more frequently. So you are going to see some discrepancies, like how the EA Gold Pro is separated in the spreadsheet to Tier A normal for the GM version and Tier A low priority for the FM version while the OP still has only the EA Gold Pro in general as Tier A low priority.

 

Basically, go off the spreadsheet. D Green is Tier D, non-D Green is Tier C (from what I can tell)

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Ankerson said:

 

Yeah, how true.

 

But if the quality drops on them.. 

Why would the quality drop on them?  They're made by the same factory they were made in when they slapped the Hitachi name on them.

 

[Ankerson]

26 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Why would the quality drop on them?  They're made by the same factory they were made in when they slapped the Hitachi name on them.

 

 

Same reason why anything drops in quality, cutting corners, pad the bottom line etc. Someone needs a bonus or whatever. Someone wants to make themselves look good to the higher ups so they come up with this brilliant idea to cut cost.

 

Not saying they will, and they might not, but there is always that chance.

 

It did change hands so who knows?

 

I am more than well aware of the Corporate game..

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

Same reason why anything drops in quality, cutting corners, pad the bottom line etc. Someone needs a bonus or whatever. Someone wants to make themselves look good to the higher ups so they come up with this brilliant idea to cut cost.

 

Not saying they will, and they might not, but there is always that chance.

 

It did change hands so who knows?

 

I am more than well aware of the Corporate game..

 

 

 

 

Well... If they want to keep any of their business, they shouldn't change.  Look at what happened to Teapo.  It took them over 10 years for their reputation to recover the "capacitor plague" fiasco.  If a customer wants cheaper capacitors, there ARE cheaper capacitors to be had in China.

 

BTW:  I'm reading "Poorly Made in China" right now.  So far, I totally relate to the author.  Good read.  Highly recommended.  

[Ankerson]

2 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Well... If they want to keep any of their business, they shouldn't change.  Look at what happened to Teapo.  It took them over 10 years for their reputation to recover the "capacitor plague" fiasco.  If a customer wants cheaper capacitors, there ARE cheaper capacitors to be had in China.

 

BTW:  I'm reading "Poorly Made in China" right now.  So far, I totally relate to the author.  Good read.  Highly recommended.  

 

Some very good stuff is made in China, some of the best things you can buy.

 

But then they also make crap too so. 

 

They have tiers of workers over there, which I find interesting...

[IAEInferno]

What tier does this PSU belong to because I can't find it somehow?

 

Inwin P75 750W 80+ Gold Fully Modular ATX

 

 

 

[Elisis]

58 minutes ago, IAEInferno said:

Inwin P75 750W 80+ Gold Fully Modular ATX

Should be tier A single rail.

[xuqu]

On 10/26/2020 at 11:35 PM, electropical said:

The DQ750-M is in tier A, the DQ750-M-V2L is in tier C (it has some issues with low Vac input)

Okay thanks. I was checking the spreadsheet and it seems to be listed in Tier A there.

Maybe something to update.

[Juular]

15 hours ago, Man said:

Probably a strange question but... does PSU's weight matter?!

 

Picked-up a VS550 the other day and it felt cheap, feathery and just... pathetic, despite the rave reviews! Meanwhile, even 350W units from brands such as FSP and Delta feel substantial and well built. I've a Dell T3500 with a 525W PSU and it almost feels like a brick compared to the VS550, despite having 25W less theoretical output.

No idea where you've seen 'rave' reviews for Corsair VS but regardless, no, a weight has very little to do with modern PSU quality, a unit may be heavy just because it's an old inefficient design which needs a lot of heatsinks, and vice versa it may be a good budget platform on modern LLC resonant topology, which happens to perform quite good but it's compact and has small heatsinks.

16 hours ago, Tuupertunut said:

The OP and the spreadsheet disagree on whether Antec Earthwatts D Green and non-D Green are in tier C or D. Could someone fix it and tell which one is correct?

Changelog sheet in the spreadsheet is the most up-to date, 'Units index' sheet has a tier column which may be outdated.

3 hours ago, IAEInferno said:

What tier does this PSU belong to because I can't find it somehow?

Tier A low priority based on the same platform used in TT TP Grand RGB Sync edition.

[Guest]

20 hours ago, Ankerson said:

 

Some very good stuff is made in China, some of the best things you can buy.

I disagree.

 

Remember, it was only THREE YEARS AGO that China finally figured out how to make their own ball point pens!  THREE YEARS!

 

Up until recently, the aluminum foil (HPA) used in almost all quality capacitors had to be imported into China because it was not refined to 99.9% purity.  They only just figured that out 20 years ago.

 

Another example:  To the naked eye, there's isn't much difference between a rifle bearing in a fan and an FDB, but you can't buy an FDB made in China.  Only Japan or Taiwan.  China just lacks the resources and skills to manufacture precision equipment in any kind of volume.  

[Ankerson]

14 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

I disagree.

 

Remember, it was only THREE YEARS AGO that China finally figured out how to make their own ball point pens!  THREE YEARS!

 

Up until recently, the aluminum foil (HPA) used in almost all quality capacitors had to be imported into China because it was not refined to 99.9% purity.  They only just figured that out 20 years ago.

 

Another example:  To the naked eye, there's isn't much difference between a rifle bearing in a fan and an FDB, but you can't buy an FDB made in China.  Only Japan or Taiwan.  China just lacks the resources and skills to manufacture precision equipment in any kind of volume.  

 

Some very high end camera lenses and other assorted products are and have been made in China for some time now.

 

Although the VERY best is still considered to be made in Japan, although somewhat debatable.

 

Much more complex than a ball point pen.

 

I do think that Taiwan and Japan are still more advanced however still.  

 

That said my Pro camera lenses are made in Japan.

 

But then all PSUs are made in China... So they must be doing something right.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

Much more complex than a ball point pen.

You would be surprised.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/18/finally-china-manufactures-a-ballpoint-pen-all-by-itself/

[Ankerson]

3 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

You would be surprised.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/18/finally-china-manufactures-a-ballpoint-pen-all-by-itself/

 

They finally built a factory and got the machinery to do it. 

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Ankerson said:

 

They finally built a factory and got the machinery to do it. 

Your response reads like, "they didn't want to, didn't think it was important and only recently decide, "eh... why not?"  Which is far from the truth.

 

 

[idontlikephysx]

https://www.newegg.ca/seasonic-focus-plus-gold-ssr-1000fx-1000w/p/N82E16817151210

I'd prefer to spend less but when you get that in your head when picking out a psu it is a bad idea.  Still though currently I only have an RX 5700 XT but guarantee if I am a buyer in the next few years it will be for a higher end video card and so I wonder is this a good choice?  Also though like I said I wish I could spend less if possible and well since I last purchased a PSU they have so many different rankings whereas in the past it was just looking for Gold.
Also what is the deal with this fan-less mode?  It scares the hell out of me.
Finally I prefer to stick to brands I know and I have a tough time associating Corsair with PSUs still.  I went with Antec and I would have no problem of course going with Seasonic.  What is the deal with Corsair and other brands?  Anyway badly need help here in picking out a new PSU and for the record my old budget used to be $69 to $100 for a PSU.  My current PSU running the RX 5700 XT is an Antec Earthwatts Green 650 or 750 watt PSU.

[Ankerson]

58 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Your response reads like, "they didn't want to, didn't think it was important and only recently decide, "eh... why not?"  Which is far from the truth.

 

 

 

Yeah, that's not what I ment.

 

There are a lot of limitations over there in China which we can't get into here. 

[Ero]

I searched a lot and I only find a single psu above tier C in my country and it was Antec HCG 750w gold. In first post it said that this model have problem with high power consuming gpus like vega does that mean it have power with new gpus like rtx 3080/3070 or rx 6800/xt?

[LukeSavenije]

12 minutes ago, Ero said:

I searched a lot and I only find a single psu above tier C in my country and it was Antec HCG 750w gold. In first post it said that this model have problem with high power consuming gpus like vega does that mean it have power with new gpus like rtx 3080/3070 or rx 6800/xt?

if you get a very old batch of it, yes... but current production shouldn't

[Samfisher]

Cooler Master just released their PSU compatibility list.

 

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Samfisher said:

Cooler Master just released their PSU compatibility list.

 

LOL!

 

[GoldenLag]

51 minutes ago, Samfisher said:

Cooler Master just released their PSU compatibility list.

you know the transiense issue is bad, when a PSU compatility list for GPUs  can actually be useful. 

[Ankerson]

23 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

you know the transiense issue is bad, when a PSU compatility list for GPUs  can actually be useful. 

 

Like I have been saying.... LOL

 

It is...

[Mrguguzai03]

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