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[psucultists] PSU Tier List

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24 minutes ago, Kaygooo said:

because there is no stupid multirail

I assume over temperature protection, over current protection, over voltage protection, over power protection etc are also all stupid...? They are all protections, just like multi rail.


 

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Why do you hoomans give your builds a name? Here's my build, which I shall call "Do as I Say, Not As I Do" (seriously, don't get this build)

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Ryzen 1500X @3,925 GHz

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo + 2x ML120

MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic

2x8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 MHz CL15 (Micron B-die) @2933 MHz

Sapphire Radeon R9 280 Dual-X @1120 MHz / 1450 MHz

120GB 850 Evo

120GB Kingston SSD

500GB WD Blue

Cooler Master Elite 430

Seasonic Prime Titanium 650W

Logitech G710 with Kailh Box Jade

Logitech G502

HyperX Cloud

And my laptop, which I shall call "If It's Stupid But It Works" (It can actually play CS:GO at 50 FPS, and Civ V at 25 FPS)

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Lenovo Thinkpad L460

Intel Core i3 6100U

4GB (probably) DDR4 2133 MHz

Intel HD Graphics 520 0.3-1.0 GHz

128GB Samsung MZ7LF128HCHP

Corsair M65 Pro RGB (worst mouse I've ever had)

Sennheiser CX 5.00G

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Absolutely not, but from what you said psu with one strong single rail are bad when the PX/TX/PRIME series are absolutely top of the top when it comes to quality and it's not true that they are not suitable for systems with multiple gpu's.

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1 minute ago, Kaygooo said:

Absolutely not, but from what you said psu with one strong single rail are bad when the PX/TX/PRIME series are absolutely top of the top when it comes to quality and it's not true that they are not suitable for systems with multiple gpu's.

it's a recommendation, not a requirement to have a tier a+ for a multi-gpu system

 

also, considering the methodology i have, and seasonic having their choice of using single rail, it's as it is

 

i do have the question laying around at Seasonic's R&D since June, but haven't heard much back about it ever since


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HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

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5 hours ago, Kaygooo said:

3/4 of the entire list is made by oem seasonic.

37 minutes ago, Kaygooo said:

PX/TX/PRIME series are absolutely top of the top when it comes to quality

"How dare you put my precious Seasonic PSUs anywhere lower than the toppest of the top ?"

Seriously tho, look at the sources and tiering methodology, all answers are there.

And there's other PSU OEMs besides Seasonic that make a good quality units. And you can't blindly say that some company product are good quality just because they made other top quality products. That's reviews are for, to determine if it's quality product or not, that's why most units based on Seasonic Focus FX are in tier D (Antec HCG\EW & ASUS Strix).


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Any reason why the Corsair RMi is in the "A+" tier and the RMx is one below in just "A"?

I thought the only difference was the CorsairLINK integration.

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33 minutes ago, alceryes said:

thought the only difference was the CorsairLINK integration.

not only, the deciding thing being the rmi having multirail

 

rmx would've had the same position if it was multirail


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

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I'm building a couple 24/7 uptime home NAS/fileservers. No graphics cards, old Supermicro server motherboards with onboard VGA, old Xeons and DDR3 ECC RAM, but multiple LSI HBA SAS cards and lots of drives (~12 per system).

 

I'm not quite sure what tier power supply I should aim for on this list. Tier B mentions 24/7 use; is that what I should probably go for? Is it worth going higher despite the fact I won't have discrete graphics cards in these systems?

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2 minutes ago, gx240 said:

I'm not quite sure what tier power supply I should aim for on this list

well, as a first you'll either need a backplane or enough connectors in the first place, and as far as I'm aware only on higher end like the corsair hx. though i do remember that many hdd's could trip ocp sometimes


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

Wii

 

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6 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well, as a first you'll either need a backplane or enough connectors in the first place, and as far as I'm aware only on higher end like the corsair hx. though i do remember that many hdd's could trip ocp sometimes

Yeah, I haven't seen any PSUs with with 12+ SATA power connectors, so I was planning on using some SATA power splitter cables. Do you have any experience with these? I'm not clear on how many drives I can power from each individual SATA power cable coming out of the PSU, even with splitters.

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13 minutes ago, gx240 said:

Yeah, I haven't seen any PSUs with with 12+ SATA power connectors

they do exist, example:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LkM323/corsair-hx-platinum-750w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020137-na

 

update: it's far from the best, but should be good enough for this in theory

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y8Trxr/rosewill-power-supply-photon1050


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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

Wii

 

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3 hours ago, Juular said:

And you can't blindly say that some company product are good quality just because they made other top quality products.

If Delta is making it at moment in time you are buying it(not something 15y old) there is nothing wrong with it

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10 hours ago, komi1997 said:

If Delta is making it at moment in time you are buying it(not something 15y old) there is nothing wrong with it

Why so ? Just because they have a good track record ? Your position is no different than of those that claim this for Seasonic or any other brand.


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21 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

not only, the deciding thing being the rmi having multirail

 

rmx would've had the same position if it was multirail

Is there multiple 12V generation circuitries or just extra voltage shunts monitoring groups of wires?

I think it's the latter so, just better short protection...? (maybe)

 

Nice PSU list, BTW. I'm just trying to understand where/why the lines are drawn. ?

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20 minutes ago, alceryes said:

Is there multiple 12V generation circuitries or just extra voltage shunts monitoring groups of wires?

our good friend Jon actually wrote something about this years ago, might be interesting to read

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?3990-Single-vs-Multiple-12V-rails-The-splitting-of-the-12V-rail


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

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Primary PC:

Spoiler

CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

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Btw I seen some recommendations for the capstone lately, but the capstone G, the updated version, is the only one I see on the tier list. Do we have some info on the old unit? All o could tell is that it was DC-DC.

 

Edit: k nevermind, it appears to be in tier A


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37 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Btw I seen some recommendations for the capstone lately, but the capstone G, the updated version, is the only one I see on the tier list. Do we have some info on the old unit? All o could tell is that it was DC-DC.

 

Edit: k nevermind, it appears to be in tier A

Yeah, they've cut prices on entire lineup for about 30$ just recently, making them a very good alternative to more expensive Corsair units.


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The next absurdity here is placing the same product in two different tiers.
https://seasonic.com/oneseasonic
For your information Seasonic GX and others in TIER A is the same as old Seasonic focus gold,  for example  focus GX-550 is new ssr-550fx which is on the tier D as potentially dangerous ?‍♀️

 

 
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3 hours ago, Kaygooo said:

For your information Seasonic GX and others in TIER A is the same as old Seasonic focus gold,  for example  focus GX-550 is new ssr-550fx which is on the tier D as potentially dangerous ?‍♀️

Yeah, because people have overlooked this obvious thing. /s For your information, new revision Seasonic Focus isn't the same for the purpose of this tier list as older revisions (FX\FM). They were marketed just as Focus Gold, newer revisions with new naming theme have the same model numbers but they're not the same PSUs. See the link for the thread on the old revision or sources under spoiler at the end of the post. Newer revisions position isn't even confirmed yet as there are no reviews yet, thus it's marked with italic.

 

@LukeSavenije, so to confirm, apparently older Rosewill Capstone (XX0-M) are better than newer Capstone G (GXX0) and it's position is solid (tier A) ?

Also, there's some confusion on Cooler Master V & MWE series PSUs, V-series 2018 which is in tier A leads to MWE Gold on PCPP, exact same link for MWE Gold in tier B+ too, so there's either an error in links or in tiering (i'm not familiar with CM PSUs lineup enough to say what did you meant exactly).


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Hey guys,

I am currently looking to replace my psu since my goldengreen hx600 finally buckled from vega 56 running rdr2 on ultra 1080p for 12hrs straight (cable connector on the psu melted)

thankfully it didnt actually take anything else to the grave with it

but I can get a good deal for silverstone strider gold evolution 750w or seasonic mi2ii evo 750w, which i think both are ranked pretty low in the tier list here

is there any reason why i shouldn't go with those two?

thanks

EDIT :

I also found some SPI Magna Gold 750w 80+ gold for an even lower price, which I read is actually FSP Aurum CM without the modular cables

I don't really need modularity if I can save some money instead

just need them to be good psu that will last years to come

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These lists are cool and all but one day a product is tier A and the next it drops to dangerous?

 

Just like the motherboard tier lists, it seems that the criteria is always changing or they shift positions completely out of nowhere.


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20 hours ago, Juular said:

so there's either an error in links or in tiering (i'm not familiar with CM PSUs lineup enough to say what did you meant exactly)

Probably error in the linking. Should be fixed by next revision. 

 

3 hours ago, Plutosaurus said:

Just like the motherboard tier lists, it seems that the criteria is always changing or they shift positions completely out of nowhere.

There was a shift to make the methodoligy more consistant and more open to readers. 

 

Units ate moved according to new info arriving or missplacemebts are discovered. 

 

 

7 hours ago, agandul said:

seasonic mi2ii evo 750w

M12ii 750w was tier B-ish (edit: confirmed by  legacy list, it runs of a different plattfrom than the lower wattage units ).

Seems to have gone lost during a revision a while back. Should be back by next revision. 

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4 hours ago, Plutosaurus said:

Just like the motherboard tier lists, it seems that the criteria is always changing or they shift positions completely out of nowhere.

Of course criteria is always changing because technology never stays in place, ten years ago most PSUs were group-regulated, now there's still quite a bit of them but you don't want them in a modern system. There wasn't such a big shift after that yet but who knows what would happen in the future. Additionally, units may be shifted in tier simply in the light of some issues that were surfaced after enough data were accumulated, as it were with Seasonic Focus Gold, current revision Seasonic Focus is in tier A just because it's supposed to fix them and we don't have enough data on this (no reviews as of yet). This can happen with any unit if it uses a new platform or has considerable changes from previous revision.

 

This list is simply an advice for those who doesn't have enough knowledge about PSUs to select a unit themselves. It's complicated matter, you can't just see a 'benchmark' of PSU and see if it's better or worse than another one.


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23 minutes ago, Juular said:

Of course criteria is always changing because technology never stays in place, ten years ago most PSUs were group-regulated, now there's still quite a bit of them but you don't want them in a modern system. There wasn't such a big shift after that yet but who knows what would happen in the future. Additionally, units may be shifted in tier simply in the light of some issues that were surfaced after enough data were accumulated, as it were with Seasonic Focus Gold, current revision Seasonic Focus is in tier A just because it's supposed to fix them and we don't have enough data on this (no reviews as of yet). This can happen with any unit if it uses a new platform or has considerable changes from previous revision.

 

This list is simply an advice for those who doesn't have enough knowledge about PSUs to select a unit themselves. It's complicated matter, you can't just see a 'benchmark' of PSU and see if it's better or worse than another one.

I'm talking about a motherboard I bought a month prior was a B-tier Ryzen 7, and then became E-tier 2200g level

 

And i don't even know where my Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w units are now. Seems impossible to determine.


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1 hour ago, Plutosaurus said:

And i don't even know where my Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w units are now. Seems impossible to determine.

Its fine. As long as you dont have a system that comes close to overloading it, then you are fine. 

 

1 hour ago, Plutosaurus said:

I'm talking about a motherboard I bought a month prior was a B-tier Ryzen 7, and then became E-tier 2200g level

Which specific board?

 

Edit: had a look and it seems to be related to the methodoligy change to make it more consistant. The board is fine for pretty much all CPUs if it has some airflow to go on.

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