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4 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

lemons will always be a thing... as far as i'm aware is g750h a downgraded CWT GPS, which shouldn't do that much in the first place

 

what do you have available at your pricerange for ~550w?

At the same price and tier, nothing. RM550X for example is almost double the price of the gigabyte one here :/

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20 hours ago, Totally Average Gameplay said:

SilverStone Strider Platinum?

had a look into it, PSUguru basically told me this

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barely makes Plat effiency, 3.3v crossload ripple out of spec at higher ambient temps, fails 3.3v transients, ripple almost out of spec on 5v and 5vsb. and out of spec 3.3 ripple at 50% load and up(up to 80mv)

 

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Why is FSP Hyper M85+ in Tier D?

"And when it's all over, what we'll remember is; not the words of our enemies, will be the silence of our friends."

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46 minutes ago, Polansky said:

Why is FSP Hyper M85+ in Tier D?

because it's pretty much a super cheap group reg

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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

super cheap

Why would being cheap make it lower tier?

:)

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1 hour ago, LukeSavenije said:

can you take stuff less literally?

What comes after "because" is implied to be a reason for something. Specifying something that is neither necessary nor correct is your own fault.

:)

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2 hours ago, seon123 said:

Why would being cheap make it lower tier?

Super cheap, meaning; low quality.

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1 hour ago, seon123 said:

What comes after "because" is implied to be a reason for something. Specifying something that is neither necessary nor correct is your own fault.

okay, then here you have your data

https://www.conseil-config.com/2015/test-fsp-hyper-m-500/

https://www.cowcotland.com/articles/1971-2/test-alimentation-fsp-hyper-m-500.html

https://vonguru.fr/2018/04/27/test-fsp-hyper-m-85-bronze-650w/

http://www.cowcotland.com/articles/1958/test-alimentation-fsp-hyper-m-700.html

 

position is now up for debate

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33 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

Super cheap, meaning; low quality.

The quality of the CX450 does not change whether you buy it for $50 or $20. You do not get a worse CX450 because you bought it on a sale. Correlation? Maybe. But by that logic, just tier the entire list based on PCPP prices or 80+ rating. 

21 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

okay, then here you have your data

Your point being...?

:)

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Just now, seon123 said:

Your point being...?

if you think i positioned it wrong, say where it should be and why 

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5 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

if you think i positioned it wrong, say where it should be and why 

I asked:

3 hours ago, seon123 said:

Why would being cheap make it lower tier?

How does this have anything to do with it being positioned wrong? The issue was that you said that it was in tier D because of it being super cheap. 

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Well it is a Group Reg unit so I wouldn't really trust it with C6/C7 and Crossloads personally.

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43 minutes ago, seon123 said:

The quality of the CX450 does not change whether you buy it for $50 or $20. You do not get a worse CX450 because you bought it on a sale. Correlation? Maybe. But by that logic, just tier the entire list based on PCPP prices or 80+ rating. 

 

You're misunderstanding. It's a figure of speech. When people say something is "cheap" it can also mean "low quality". Not necessarily that it's priced low.

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4 minutes ago, Polansky said:

But Hyper M and Hyper M85+ aren't same. 

I'm getting traumas back to silverstone's lineup

 

I'll do a deeper dive with some others...

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1 hour ago, LukeSavenije said:

I'll do a deeper dive with some others...

Unfortanely, I don't understand ?

 

Is this a good thing or bad thing  for Hyper M85+?

"And when it's all over, what we'll remember is; not the words of our enemies, will be the silence of our friends."

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@LukeSavenije
can you look into new Kolink stuff? Enclave series looks interesting, inexpensive(not necessarily cheap) 80+ gold, LLC and DC-DC, full-modular, there is also v2 KL series which is 80+ bronze and semi-modular (classic branded ones got fixed cables, not semi-modular) but it's not online yet even on their site, caseking got description saying it's DC-DC so it might be a semi-modular competitor to something like Cooler Master MWE V2

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Could I make a suggestion for a rewrite of the tiering / bump-down section that I think might make it a little easier to read?

@LukeSavenije

 

 

Tiering of various units is opinion based off reputable sources linked in a spoiler below the list. Units may be bumped down due to the following methodology:

 

 

Tier S must meet Tier A+, plus be Half-/Full bridge (not just ACRF).  They exceed A+ requirements and stand out from the other tier units in build quality.

 

Tier A+ is required to meet Tier A, plus have well configured multirail.

 

Tier A is required to meet Tier B+, plus have OCP.

 

Tier B+ is required to meet Tier B, plus have OTP and be ACRF/Half-/Full bridge.

 

Tier B is required to meet Tier C, plus have independent regulation.

 

Tier C is required to have OPP, SCP, UVP, OVP, inrush current limiting and meet c6/c7 crossloads.

 

Tier D is everything that falls short of the other tier's requirements, but can only have a potential to be dangerous in certain situations.

 

Tier E has heavily malfunctioning protections or far outdated and is not recommended to use with any modern system.

 

 

 

Alternately, maybe make a table / grid (I can't do it on my phone) with the tiers in columns, and each spec / requirement in rows.  Specs that are not required for a given tier would either be like a light gray font in that column under that tier (assuming light mode, idk what you'd do for dark mode), or have that cell blank.

 

 

 

 

Also was wondering ... If we ever wanted to get this system up and running again,

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would a Tier E PSU be okay due to its age?  (Unless you'd call the CPU in that system "modern"; also what tier might that PSU (FSP?) have been when it was new, taking into account the different standards then vs now?)  Or would maybe Tier C be the minimum recommended?

Or what about a retro PC that uses an AT / XT / PC case + mobo + PSU?

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I see the Gamdias Astrape P1 is listed, but what about the Gamdias Kratos? I'm curious about this unit as it seems Newegg uses this particular unit in many of their ABS systems. Also, Gamdias units were listed under the lowest tier previously, which said just don't buy, so it's pretty concerning to me when such a huge change occurs...especially a jump from the worst tier to one of the best...

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Why is the ROG Strix in D tier? I read the english review you provided and it didn't seem to denote anything negative...

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12 hours ago, seon123 said:

Why would being cheap make it lower tier?

Anyone who understands basic american idioms knows what someone means when they say something is undesirable and "cheap". 
If I told you "don't buy that car, it's cheap" that isn't me saying the price dictates the quality.  It means that the car company made it on the cheap.  Cheap design, cheap parts, bad product results.

11 hours ago, seon123 said:

What comes after "because" is implied to be a reason for something. Specifying something that is neither necessary nor correct is your own fault.

Specifying something that tilted produces unnecessary negative sentiment that is in fact your own fault.  No one likes a rules-lawyer.  It means you gave up arguing the merits or the intent, you're just arguing procedure now.

 

For someone who doesn't understand idioms as well as Luke, you'd do well to let him correct your language use, not the other way around.  Getting really tired of people with a bent attitude going out of their way to shoot the messenger on a PSU thread.

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2 hours ago, SenKa said:

Why is the ROG Strix in D tier? I read the english review you provided and it didn't seem to denote anything negative...

Because it doesn't meet the requirements to be C tier or higher.

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