[EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8

[Timeguard]

46 minutes ago, Juular said:

So you're from Turkey. Yes, this one is exponentially better, especially for it's price.

Yes, I live in Turkey and the High Power brand is very popular in Turkey. They look good in terms of price and feature. But we could not find any detailed information about this new and mysterious model. "High Power Element-DD GD 750W 80+ Bronze 62.5A Single Rail HP1-M750BR-H12S"  Thank you again for all the help.

[Juular]

1 minute ago, Timeguard said:

But we could not find any detailed information about this new and mysterious model. "High Power Element-DD GD 750W 80+ Bronze 62.5A Single Rail HP1-M750BR-H12S"

I couldn't either so i don't recommend it.

[Timeguard]

2 minutes ago, Juular said:

I couldn't either so i don't recommend it.

I think it is difficult to find new models and more information documentation. It looks like Tier B in appearance. But now it is very difficult to talk clearly about this model.

[Juular]

Poll : is color coding confusing ?

 

Please look at two examples below and vote (vote is in the first post at the top) for which of them you find less confusing, cleaner, easier to understand. Feel free to sound your thoughts on additional improvements and alternatives.

 

- Variant A - current implementation with color coding using gold and gray colors

 

Gold color signifies the best units inside each tier determined by performance metrics and lack of any major problems. I.e these units should be at the top in the list of your options (disregarding their price, we only tier performance and quality here).

Gray color signifies units that we either lack any good reviews on or platform it uses, but we do know enough to place it in the tier temporarily if there are demand for them, such as recent Seasonic Core and Antec Neo Eco Zen PSUs. Or there are some minor problems that we feel are nevertheless major enough to place these PSUs below other units in the tier without moving it to lower tiers. I.e these units should be last in the list of your options for this tier but they're still better than units from lowest tiers in most cases.

Vote for this variant if you prefer it over the next one.

 

How it looks :

( Keep in mind that this is revision 14.1 to which Lazy Luke didn't update this thread yet )

Spoiler

Legend :
Gray - units with various issues and concerns, buy cautiously, see notes in the spreadsheet
Green - small form-factor (gold and blue colors are disregarded due to scarcity of SFX PSUs)
Gold - best units in the tier (includes requirements for blue color in tier A)
Blue - quiet operation under moderate load

Tier A • Recommended for high-end systems
 

(multi/single-rail switchable)

• be quiet! | Dark Power Pro 10 / Pro 11
• Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker - V Platinum 2019 [MPZ]
• Corsair | AXi (<=1500W / 1600W)- RMi - HXi - HX Platinum - Vengeance Silver
• Enermax | Digifanless
• NZXT | E

(multi-rail)

• Antec | High Current Pro [HCP] Gold / Platinum - Truepower Classic
• be quiet! | Straight Power 11 Gold / Platinum
• Bitfenix | Formula Gold (<=550W/=>650W) [3] - Whisper (<=550W/=>650W) [3]
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M
• Delta | GM
• Enermax | Platimax (1200/1350W) / D.F =>750W - Revolution D.F - MaxRevo
• EVGA | Supernova NEX-G 1500W / PG 1500W
• LEPA | MaxPlatinum
• Seasonic | SSP-RT
• Wentai | Aidan 1616W

(single-rail)

• Abkoncore | CR Platinum
• ADATA / XPG | Core Reactor
• Aerocool | Project 7
• Andyson | N - R - PX - TX - GX
• Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold (pre/post 2018 y.) [1] / Extreme (pre/post 2018 y.) [1] - Signature Platinum / Titanium - Edge (<=750W/=>850W)
• Asus | ROG Strix (pre/post 2018 y.) [1] / Thor
• Chieftec / Chieftronic | Powerplay Gold / Platinum - GPS-500C Fanless
• Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker MiJ - V Gold 2013 [RS] Semi-modular [VSM] / Fully modular - V Gold 2018 [MPY] =>750W - V Platinum 2013 [RSC]
• Corsair | AX Gold / Platinum / Titanium - HX Gold 650W - RMx 2015 / 2018 - RM Gray - SF Gold / Platinum [2]
• Cougar | GX-F (Aurum) - LLC
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M-V2L
• Delta | GPS-HB
• Enermax | Platimax D.F <=600w - Maxtytan
• EVGA | Supernova G2(L) / G3 / GS =>850W / GT / GM / P2 / PS / T2 (<=1200W/1600W)
• Fractal Design | ION+ Platinum / SFX Gold - Edison M
• FSP | Aurum PT / Pro - Hydro G / G Pro / X / PT / PTM / PTM Pro
• Gamdias | Astrape P1 - Kratos P1 Gold - Cyclops X1
• Gigabyte | G750H / XP-M 1200
• Great Wall | E Gold (Frozen)
• Green | Overclocking DG / EVO - High Performance+ - UK+
• High Power | Super GD
• Huntkey | MVP-G Gold - MVP-P Platinum
• In Win | Premium Basic PB - A1 Plus Gold
• Kingwin | Stryker
• Kolink | Continuum C-PL 1500w
• LC Power | LC1200 Platinum
• Micronics | Astro Platinum
• NZXT | C-series - H1
• Phanteks | AMP - Revolt Pro (pre/post 2018 y.) [1] - Revolt X
• Raidmax | Monster RX-AT
• Riotoro | Enigma G2 (pre/post 2018 y.) [1] - Builder 1200w
• Rosewill | Lightning - Silent Night - Quark - Capstone -XXXM / -XXX / -1000-M / G <=750W
• Sama | Armor Gold / Platinum - Forza Gold / Platinum / Titanium
• Seasonic | Focus FM / Plus FX / Plus PX / GX / GM / PX / SGX - Prime Gold / Platinum / Titanium / Fanless PX / Fanless TX / Snow Silent (Gold / Platinum / Titanium) / Airtouch - X Gold / Platinum / Fanless / Snow Silent - Connect - G RM - S12G RT - SSP-SFG - SSP-SUG
• Sentey | Golden Steel GSP-HM V2 1050W
• Sharkoon | Silentstorm Cool Zero
• SilentiumPC | Supremo FM2
• Silentmaxx | Fanless II
• Silverstone | Strider Gold S 1500w / Platinum PT (<=850W/=>1000W) - SX-G <=500W - SX-PT - Nightjar SFX-L / ATX (Platinum / Titanium)
• Super Flower | Leadex Gold / Platinum / Titanium / II / III (pre/post 2020 y.) / III (Pro) ARGB - Platinum King - Golden Silent
• Thermaltake | Toughpower GF1 (ARGB) / PF1 ARGB / iRGB Plus (Gold/Platinum/Titanium) / Gold Semi-Modular 1500W / DPS G (Gold / Platinum) / DPS G RGB Titanium <=1250W / Grand Gold / Grand Platinum - Smart DPS G Gold X50W
• Xigmatek | Hera Gold - XFP
• XFX | Pro Black FM / Limited Edition - TS Gold - XT Gold - XTR (<=750W/=>850W) - XTR2 - XTS - XTS2 - XTI
• Zalman | Acrux Platinum

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source.
[2] Corsair SF units with LOT codes from 194448* through 201148* potentially have problems, Corsair conducts a voluntary replacement, source.
[3] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.

 

- Variant B - remove gray and gold colors and split them off as separate tiers

 

We remove most of the color coding, keeping only colors for SFX (green) and quiet (blue) units at least for now.

Gold colored units will be moved to tiers X+ above current tiers.

Gray colored units will be moved to tiers X- below current tiers.

We haven't decided how to signify multi-rail units using this scheme as it would get rather messy if we keep it like it were before using subtiers (look at the example for variant A) but if we're going to implement this variant that would be a matter for the next discussion. For now i've merged multi-rail units with single-rail to just show-off the topic of this poll cleaner.

You decide whether this variant looks cleaner and more accessible.

 

How it looks :

Spoiler

Legend :
Green - small form-factor (gold and blue colors are disregarded due to scarcity of SFX PSUs)
Blue - quiet operation under moderate load (see detailed requirements in the spreadsheet)

Tier A+ • High-end units (high priority, the best units in the tier)

• be quiet! | Straight Power 11 Gold
• Antec | Signature (Platinum / Titanium)
• Asus | ROG Thor
• Bitfenix | Whisper =>650W [3]
• Corsair | AXi 1600W - AX Titanium - RMi - HXi - HX Platinum - RMx 2018 - SF Platinum [2]
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M
• EVGA | Supernova T2 1600W
• Enermax | Revolution D.F
• NZXT | E
• Phanteks | Revolt X
• Seasonic | Focus [1] PX - Prime (Platinum / Titanium) / Fanless (PX / TX) / Snow Silent (Platinum / Titanium)
• Super Flower | Leadex III post 2020 y. / III (Pro) ARGB
• Thermaltake | Toughpower GF1 (ARGB) / iRGB Plus Platinum

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Corsair SF units with LOT codes from 194448* through 201148* potentially have problems, Corsair conducts a voluntary replacement, source.
[3] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.

Tier A • High-end units (normal priority)

• be quiet! | Dark Power Pro 10 / Pro 11 - Straight Power 11 Platinum
• ADATA / XPG | Core Reactor
• Abkoncore | CR Platinum
• Aerocool | Project 7
• Andyson | N - R - PX - TX - GX
• Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold post 2018 y. [1] / Extreme post 2018 y. [1] - High Current Pro [HCP] Gold / Platinum - Edge =>850W
• Asus | ROG Strix post 2018 y. [1]
• Bitfenix | Formula Gold =>650W [3]
• Chieftec / Chieftronic | Powerplay Gold / Platinum - GPS-500C Fanless
• Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker MiJ - V Gold 2013 [RS] Semi-modular [VSM] / Fully modular - V Platinum 2013 [RSC] - V Platinum 2019 [MPZ]
• Corsair | AXi <=1500W - Vengeance Silver - AX (Gold / Platinum) - RMx 2015 - RM Gray - SF Gold [2]
• Cougar | GX-F (Aurum) - LLC
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M-V2L
• EVGA | Supernova G2(L) / GS =>850W / GM / P2 / PS / T2 <=1200W
• Enermax | Digifanless - Platimax (1200/1350W) / D.F - MaxRevo - Maxtytan
• FSP | Aurum PT / Pro - Hydro G / G Pro / X / PT / PTM
• Fractal Design | ION+ Platinum / SFX Gold
• Gamdias | Astrape P1 - Cyclops X1
• Gigabyte | G750H
• Great Wall | E Gold (Frozen)
• Green | Overclocking DG
• High Power | Super GD
• Huntkey | MVP-G Gold - MVP-P Platinum
• In Win | Premium Basic PB
• Kingwin | Stryker
• Kolink | Continuum C-PL 1500w
• LC Power | LC1200 Platinum
• LEPA | MaxPlatinum
• Micronics | Astro Platinum
• NZXT | C - H1
• Phanteks | AMP - Revolt Pro post 2018 y. [1]
• Raidmax | Monster RX-AT
• Riotoro | Enigma G2 post 2018 y. [1]
• Rosewill | Lightning - Silent Night - Quark - Capstone -XXXM / -XXX / -1000-M / G <=750W
• Sama | Forza Titanium
• Seasonic | Focus [1] GX / GM / SGX - Prime Gold / Snow Silent Gold / Airtouch - X Gold / Platinum / Fanless / Snow Silent - Connect
• Sharkoon | Silentstorm Cool Zero
• SilentiumPC | Supremo FM2
• Silentmaxx | Fanless II
• Silverstone | Strider Gold S 1500w / Platinum PT <=850W - SX-G <=500W - SX-PT - Nightjar SFX-L / ATX (Platinum / Titanium)
• Super Flower | Leadex Gold / Platinum / Titanium / II / III pre 2020 y. - Platinum King - Golden Silent
• Thermaltake | Toughpower PF1 ARGB / iRGB Plus (Gold/Titanium) / Gold Semi-Modular 1500W / DPS G (Gold / Platinum) / DPS G RGB Titanium <=1250W / Grand Gold / - Smart DPS G Gold X50W
• Wentai | Aidan 1616W
• XFX | Pro Black FM / Limited Edition - XTR =>850W - XTS

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Corsair SF units with LOT codes from 194448* through 201148* potentially have problems, Corsair conducts a voluntary replacement, source.
[3] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.

Tier A- • High-end units (low priority, units with minor issues or lack of info)

• Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold pre 2018 y. [1] / Extreme pre 2018 y. [1] - Edge <=750W - Truepower Classic
• Asus | ROG Strix pre 2018 y. [1]
• Bitfenix | Formula Gold <=550W [2] - Whisper <=550W [2]
• Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker - V Gold 2018 [MPY] =>750W
• Corsair | HX Gold 650W
• Delta | GM - GPS-HB
• EVGA | Supernova G3 - GT - NEX-G 1500W / PG 1500W
• FSP | Hydro PTM Pro
• Fractal Design | Edison M
• Gamdias | Kratos P1 Gold
• Gigabyte | XP-M 1200
• Green | Overclocking EVO - High Performance+ - UK+
• In Win | A1 Plus Gold
• Phanteks | Revolt Pro pre 2018 y. [1]
• Riotoro | Enigma G2 pre 2018 y. [1] - Builder 1200w
• Sama | Armor Gold / Platinum - Forza Gold / Platinum
• Seasonic | Focus FM / Plus FX / Plus PX - G RM - S12G RT - SSP-SFG - SSP-SUG - SSP-RT
• Sentey | Golden Steel GSP-HM V2 1050W
• Silverstone | Strider Gold Platinum PT =>1000W
• Thermaltake | Toughpower Grand Platinum
• XFX | TS Gold - XT Gold - XTR <=750W - XTR2 - XTS2 - XTI
• Xigmatek | Hera Gold - XFP
• Zalman | Acrux Platinum

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.
For all other units not mentioned above issues are rather minor and not worth mentioning here (they're listed in the spreadsheet) or these units are here temporarily until we'll have better reviews on them.

 

- Variant C - intermediate, split off gray units into tiers X-

Gold color is still there but gray units are split off to X- tiers below main tiers (for tiers A, B, C).

Spoiler

Legend :
Green - small form-factor (gold and blue colors are disregarded due to scarcity of SFX PSUs)
Gold - best units in the tier (includes requirements for blue color in tier A)
Blue - quiet operation under moderate load (see detailed requirements in the spreadsheet)

Tier A • High-end units
 

(multi/single-rail switchable)

• be quiet! | Dark Power Pro 10 / Pro 11
• Cooler Master | V Platinum 2019 [MPZ]
• Corsair | AXi (<=1500W / 1600W)- RMi - HXi - HX Platinum - Vengeance Silver
• Enermax | Digifanless
• NZXT | E

(multi-rail)

• Antec | High Current Pro [HCP] Gold / Platinum
• be quiet! | Straight Power 11 Gold / Platinum
• Bitfenix | Formula Gold =>650W [3] - Whisper =>650W [3]
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M
• Enermax | Platimax (1200/1350W) / D.F =>750W - Revolution D.F - MaxRevo
• LEPA | MaxPlatinum
• Wentai | Aidan 1616W

(single-rail)

• Abkoncore | CR Platinum
• ADATA / XPG | Core Reactor
• Aerocool | Project 7
• Andyson | N - R - PX - TX - GX
• Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold post 2018 y. [1] / Extreme post 2018 y. [1] - Signature Platinum / Titanium - Edge =>850W
• Asus | ROG Strix post 2018 y. [1] / Thor
• Chieftec / Chieftronic | Powerplay Gold / Platinum - GPS-500C Fanless
• Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker MiJ - V Gold 2013 [RS] Semi-modular [VSM] / Fully modular - V Platinum 2013 [RSC]
• Corsair | AX Gold / Platinum / Titanium - RMx 2015 / 2018 - RM Gray - SF Gold / Platinum [2]
• Cougar | GX-F (Aurum) - LLC
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M-V2L
• Enermax | Platimax D.F <=600w - Maxtytan
• EVGA | Supernova G2(L) / GS =>850W / GM / P2 / PS / T2 (<=1200W/1600W)
• Fractal Design | ION+ Platinum / SFX Gold
• FSP | Aurum PT / Pro - Hydro G / G Pro / X / PT / PTM
• Gamdias | Astrape P1 - Cyclops X1
• Gigabyte | G750H
• Great Wall | E Gold (Frozen)
• Green | Overclocking DG
• High Power | Super GD
• Huntkey | MVP-G Gold - MVP-P Platinum
• In Win | Premium Basic PB
• Kingwin | Stryker
• Kolink | Continuum C-PL 1500w
• LC Power | LC1200 Platinum
• Micronics | Astro Platinum
• NZXT | C-series - H1
• Phanteks | AMP - Revolt Pro post 2018 y. [1] - Revolt X
• Raidmax | Monster RX-AT
• Riotoro | Enigma G2 post 2018 y. [1]
• Rosewill | Lightning - Silent Night - Quark - Capstone -XXXM / -XXX / -1000-M / G <=750W
• Sama | Forza Titanium
• Seasonic | Focus [1] GX / GM / PX / SGX - Prime Gold / Platinum / Titanium / Fanless PX / Fanless TX / Snow Silent (Gold / Platinum / Titanium) / Airtouch - X Gold / Platinum / Fanless / Snow Silent - Connect -
• Sharkoon | Silentstorm Cool Zero
• SilentiumPC | Supremo FM2
• Silentmaxx | Fanless II
• Silverstone | Strider Gold S 1500w / Platinum PT <=850W - SX-G <=500W - SX-PT - Nightjar SFX-L / ATX (Platinum / Titanium)
• Super Flower | Leadex Gold / Platinum / Titanium / II / III (pre/post 2020 y.) / III (Pro) ARGB - Platinum King - Golden Silent
• Thermaltake | Toughpower GF1 (ARGB) / PF1 ARGB / iRGB Plus (Gold/Platinum/Titanium) / Gold Semi-Modular 1500W / DPS G (Gold / Platinum) / DPS G RGB Titanium <=1250W / Grand Gold / - Smart DPS G Gold X50W
• XFX | Pro Black FM / Limited Edition - XTR =>850W - XTS

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Corsair SF units with LOT codes from 194448* through 201148* potentially have problems, Corsair conducts a voluntary replacement, source.
[3] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.[/b][/color]

Tier A- • Low priority but still high-end units (minor issues or lack of info)

• Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold pre 2018 y. [1] / Extreme pre 2018 y. [1] - Edge <=750W - Truepower Classic
• Asus | ROG Strix pre 2018 y. [1]
• Bitfenix | Formula Gold <=550W [2] - Whisper <=550W [2]
• Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker - V Gold 2018 [MPY] =>750W
• Corsair | HX Gold 650W
• Delta | GM - GPS-HB
• EVGA | Supernova G3 - GT - NEX-G 1500W / PG 1500W
• FSP | Hydro PTM Pro
• Fractal Design | Edison M
• Gamdias | Kratos P1 Gold
• Gigabyte | XP-M 1200
• Green | Overclocking EVO - High Performance+ - UK+
• In Win | A1 Plus Gold
• Phanteks | Revolt Pro pre 2018 y. [1]
• Riotoro | Enigma G2 pre 2018 y. [1] - Builder 1200w
• Sama | Armor Gold / Platinum - Forza Gold / Platinum
• Seasonic | Focus Gold / Plus Gold / Plus Platinum - G RM - S12G RT - SSP-SFG - SSP-SUG - SSP-RT
• Sentey | Golden Steel GSP-HM V2 1050W
• Silverstone | Strider Gold Platinum PT =>1000W
• Thermaltake | Toughpower Grand Platinum
• XFX | TS Gold - XT Gold - XTR <=750W - XTR2 - XTS2 - XTI
• Xigmatek | Hera Gold - XFP
• Zalman | Acrux Platinum

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.
For all other units not mentioned above issues are rather minor and not worth mentioning here (they're listed in the spreadsheet) or these units are here temporarily until we'll have better reviews on them.

 

- Variant D - uh ... another intermediate, split off gray units into inline subtiers

Gold color is still there but gray units are split off to inline subtiers at the bottom of each respective tier.

Spoiler

Legend :
Green - small form-factor (gold and blue colors are disregarded due to scarcity of SFX PSUs)
Gold - best units in the tier (includes requirements for blue color in tier A)
Blue - quiet operation under moderate load (see detailed requirements in the spreadsheet)

Tier A • High-end units
 

( multi/single-rail switchable )

• be quiet! | Dark Power Pro 10 / Pro 11
• Cooler Master | V Platinum 2019 [MPZ]
• Corsair | AXi (<=1500W / 1600W)- RMi - HXi - HX Platinum - Vengeance Silver
• Enermax | Digifanless
• NZXT | E

( multi-rail )

• Antec | High Current Pro [HCP] Gold / Platinum
• be quiet! | Straight Power 11 Gold / Platinum
• Bitfenix | Formula Gold =>650W [3] - Whisper =>650W [3]
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M
• Enermax | Platimax (1200/1350W) / D.F =>750W - Revolution D.F - MaxRevo
• LEPA | MaxPlatinum
• Wentai | Aidan 1616W

( single-rail )

• Abkoncore | CR Platinum
• ADATA / XPG | Core Reactor
• Aerocool | Project 7
• Andyson | N - R - PX - TX - GX
• Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold post 2018 y. [1] / Extreme post 2018 y. [1] - Signature Platinum / Titanium - Edge =>850W
• Asus | ROG Strix post 2018 y. [1] / Thor
• Chieftec / Chieftronic | Powerplay Gold / Platinum - GPS-500C Fanless
• Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker MiJ - V Gold 2013 [RS] Semi-modular [VSM] / Fully modular - V Platinum 2013 [RSC]
• Corsair | AX Gold / Platinum / Titanium - RMx 2015 / 2018 - RM Gray - SF Gold / Platinum [2]
• Cougar | GX-F (Aurum) - LLC
• Deepcool / Gamer Storm | DQ-M-V2L
• Enermax | Platimax D.F <=600w - Maxtytan
• EVGA | Supernova G2(L) / GS =>850W / GM / P2 / PS / T2 (<=1200W/1600W)
• Fractal Design | ION+ Platinum / SFX Gold
• FSP | Aurum PT / Pro - Hydro G / G Pro / X / PT / PTM
• Gamdias | Astrape P1 - Cyclops X1
• Gigabyte | G750H
• Great Wall | E Gold (Frozen)
• Green | Overclocking DG
• High Power | Super GD
• Huntkey | MVP-G Gold - MVP-P Platinum
• In Win | Premium Basic PB
• Kingwin | Stryker
• Kolink | Continuum C-PL 1500w
• LC Power | LC1200 Platinum
• Micronics | Astro Platinum
• NZXT | C-series - H1
• Phanteks | AMP - Revolt Pro post 2018 y. [1] - Revolt X
• Raidmax | Monster RX-AT
• Riotoro | Enigma G2 post 2018 y. [1]
• Rosewill | Lightning - Silent Night - Quark - Capstone -XXXM / -XXX / -1000-M / G <=750W
• Sama | Forza Titanium
• Seasonic | Focus [1] GX / GM / PX / SGX - Prime Gold / Platinum / Titanium / Fanless PX / Fanless TX / Snow Silent (Gold / Platinum / Titanium) / Airtouch - X Gold / Platinum / Fanless / Snow Silent - Connect -
• Sharkoon | Silentstorm Cool Zero
• SilentiumPC | Supremo FM2
• Silentmaxx | Fanless II
• Silverstone | Strider Gold S 1500w / Platinum PT <=850W - SX-G <=500W - SX-PT - Nightjar SFX-L / ATX (Platinum / Titanium)
• Super Flower | Leadex Gold / Platinum / Titanium / II / III (pre/post 2020 y.) / III (Pro) ARGB - Platinum King - Golden Silent
• Thermaltake | Toughpower GF1 (ARGB) / PF1 ARGB / iRGB Plus (Gold/Platinum/Titanium) / Gold Semi-Modular 1500W / DPS G (Gold / Platinum) / DPS G RGB Titanium <=1250W / Grand Gold / - Smart DPS G Gold X50W
• XFX | Pro Black FM / Limited Edition - XTR =>850W - XTS

( low priority units - minor issues or lack of info )

• Antec | High Current Gamer [HCG] Gold pre 2018 y. [1] / Extreme pre 2018 y. [1] - Edge <=750W - Truepower Classic
• Asus | ROG Strix pre 2018 y. [1]
• Bitfenix | Formula Gold <=550W [2] - Whisper <=550W [2]
• Cooler Master | Masterwatt Maker - V Gold 2018 [MPY] =>750W
• Corsair | HX Gold 650W
• Delta | GM - GPS-HB
• EVGA | Supernova G3 - GT - NEX-G 1500W / PG 1500W
• FSP | Hydro PTM Pro
• Fractal Design | Edison M
• Gamdias | Kratos P1 Gold
• Gigabyte | XP-M 1200
• Green | Overclocking EVO - High Performance+ - UK+
• In Win | A1 Plus Gold
• Phanteks | Revolt Pro pre 2018 y. [1]
• Riotoro | Enigma G2 pre 2018 y. [1] - Builder 1200w
• Sama | Armor Gold / Platinum - Forza Gold / Platinum
• Seasonic | Focus Gold / Plus Gold / Plus Platinum [1] - G RM - S12G RT - SSP-SFG - SSP-SUG - SSP-RT
• Sentey | Golden Steel GSP-HM V2 1050W
• Silverstone | Strider Gold Platinum PT =>1000W
• Thermaltake | Toughpower Grand Platinum
• XFX | TS Gold - XT Gold - XTR <=750W - XTR2 - XTS2 - XTI
• Xigmatek | Hera Gold - XFP
• Zalman | Acrux Platinum

[1] Seasonic Focus based units made prior to Jan 2018 had incompatibility issues with high transient GPUs like AMD Vega, source. Does not apply to renewed OneSeasonic SKUs and some rebranded units which were released later.
[2] Corsair SF units with LOT codes from 194448* through 201148* potentially have problems, Corsair conducts a voluntary replacement, source.
[3] Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M 450/550W SKUs have just one rail for GPU power cables and trip with high transient power draw GPUs like AMD Vega.[/b][/color]

 

[MrBrightSyde]

@Juular I like the color coded list but honestly, both of them would be fine by me. I'm voting for Variant A, but Variant B does look slightly cleaner though my problem would be that the list would be extended too much (it's already long as it is) and it might be more confusing to some people than the color-coded method.

[Juular]

Added third option to the poll.

[Juular]

Added fourth option ... actually looks like less disrupting one of all, while still addressing concerns some people were expressing about gray color.

[ColdPressCoconutOil]

umm sorry if this is irrelevant, or if this has already been answered,

 

is there anyway to make pricing a criteria as well,

like maybe the most value options could be highlighted in a different colour

or a certain price range could be depicted by a specific colour?

[Juular]

2 hours ago, PoopThatTookAPee said:

is there anyway to make pricing a criteria as well

Unless we'll monitor prices day by day making constant changes it's not possible.

Just open your store of choice or PCPartPicker, sort by increasing price and look at what tiers you see there.

[PianoPlayer88Key]

I almost feel it's getting to be TOO many tiers, or somehow a bit too complex in some way, idk how to say it.

 

One idea might be ... basically for units to be in Tier A, they have to be able to output 100% of their advertised wattage (the big number that's advertised not just the 12V amps printed on the label), 24/7, under any combination of load (whether you load it up with GPUs, or just use an APU in the -Y segment and use M.2 SSDs, or hard drives to load it up, or whatever), with an ambient ROOM (not case) temperature right at the PSU's rating, for at least the length of the warranty, without degrading any components that are connected to the system.

Tier B might be units that don't meet those requirements in some way (for example they might start to degrade before the warranty expires when run 24/7 at 50°C ambient room temperature, or you can't fully load the 5V or 3.3V rails (or whatever hard drives, RAM, M.2 SSDs, etc use) to the big number printed on the box, etc), but they're still not hazards to your equipment.

Tier C would be units that can ever damage equipment that's hooked up to that PC, under ANY circumstances - even if you load it to 1.5x capacity, or do it after 2x the warranty length has passed, etc.  If even *ONE* sample out of an entire manufacturing run even degrades another part just a little (doesn't even have to outright kill the part), the ENTIRE line (not just that wattage) gets put in Tier C, or whatever it would be called.

Units that blow up in the process of killing themselves, but only the PSU is harmed, could still be in Tier B as long as they don't harm other components, but if they're a danger to human health or life they'd be in C.

Maybe that's still too many tiers, maybe we only need 2?  Ones that work as advertised, and ones that don't?

 

Or maybe tiering should be based on the intended use?  I'm kind-of a bit miffed that I only see gaming or office PCs as use case scenarios in the tier list, but what about rendering servers?  What about NAS?  What about any other use that RISC or CISC or x86 or ARM or whatever architectures might be capable of, both now and in the future (as well as past that may no longer be supported)?  I could be wrong, but I have the feeling that a PSU that would be considered "dangerous" for modern high-end gaming might be fine for running a retro PC for running old DOS applications....

[Juular]

5 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

basically for units to be in Tier A, they have to be able to output 100% of their advertised wattage

Pretty much all units from tier B and up are qualifying for this requirement. It's basically a given with DC-DC units. There are different room temperatures units are rated for but that's barely a metric of quality, at least not past 40°C.

5 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

for example they might start to degrade before the warranty expires when run 24/7 at 50°C ambient room temperature

We have no way of knowing that but generally if it's rated for 40°С continuous then it wouldn't be a a good idea to use it at 50°C ambient and 100% load.

5 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

or you can't fully load the 5V or 3.3V rails

Even group regulated units (decent) ones should't have problems with this.

5 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

even if you load it to 1.5x capacity

You can do that with very few units, on most of them OPP is set at about 120-130%.

5 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

or do it after 2x the warranty length has passed

You shouldn't do that, therefore we don't care about that.

5 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

 If even *ONE* sample out of an entire manufacturing run even degrades another part just a little

We have no way of knowing that.

5 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Units that blow up in the process of killing themselves, but only the PSU is harmed,

There are multiple points of failure in the PSU, not all of them can be caught by PSU protections even on very high-end modern PSUs.

5 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I'm kind-of a bit miffed that I only see gaming or office PCs as use case scenarios in the tier list, but what about rendering servers?  What about NAS?  What about any other use that RISC or CISC or x86 or ARM or whatever architectures might be capable of, both now and in the future (as well as past that may no longer be supported)?  I could be wrong, but I have the feeling that a PSU that would be considered "dangerous" for modern high-end gaming might be fine for running a retro PC for running old DOS applications....

There are not a single word about gaming there. The distinction between tiers B/B+/A and tiers C/D are that the former are good for PCs with high power draw on 12V rail and low power draw on minor rails while the latter are not, because they're group regulated. Render servers fall under the first scenario, NAS (unless there are literal shitton of HDDs there), retro PCs fall under the second scenario.

[Jacob29]

Seasonic's PX and TX's are just rebranded PRIME Ultra's correct? and PRIME Ultra's are just rebranded PRIME Titanium/Platinum/Gold etc's right?

 

Well, I believe they ahve minor changes.

But I cannot find any top end reviews, that aren't Kitguru of the ULTRAs or the G/P/T X's.

 

I am assuming they didn't mess them up aye?

[LukeSavenije]

52 minutes ago, Jacob29 said:

Well, I believe they ahve minor changes.

only in cable selection as far as I'm aware, internally they're all still the same platform as they were

 

I do recall some differences between prime and prime ultra, but I'm not 100% sure what it was as of right now

[seon123]

1 hour ago, Jacob29 said:

Seasonic's PX and TX's are just rebranded PRIME Ultra's correct? and PRIME Ultra's are just rebranded PRIME Titanium/Platinum/Gold etc's right?

 

Well, I believe they ahve minor changes.

But I cannot find any top end reviews, that aren't Kitguru of the ULTRAs or the G/P/T X's.

 

I am assuming they didn't mess them up aye?

Seasonic made it confusing by having three separate series named "GX", and two separate series named the "PX". Having Core/Focus/Prime as the series, and then G/P/T for the 80+ certification, and then M/X for semi/full modular. So e.g. Core GX means Core series 80+ Gold rated, fully modular. 

 

The Prime Ultra Titanium is mostly the same as the Prime Titanium, but with more relaxed fan curves.

The lower wattage Prime Ultra Platinum and Prime Ultra Gold are based on the same platform as the Focus Plus, but is upgraded. Easiest way to tell us by the depth, which is 14cm, Vs 17cm (iirc). For the rest, I think they just relaxed the fan curve. 

For all of the Ultra series, the cables and connectors are changed a bit. 

I haven't seen claims that they changed anything between the Ultra and the Ultra with the new naming scheme. 

[blockmasterboyz]

Are there any good budget PSUs that are 400W+ for a mid-range system that you would recomend. TIA.

[MrBrightSyde]

54 minutes ago, blockmasterboyz said:

Are there any good budget PSUs that are 400W+ for a mid-range system that you would recomend. TIA.

Depends on the budget. Antec NeoECO Zen 500w is $76 and is the cheapest one I would recommend for a mid-range and that's because that's the only PSU in stock right now. All the budget 80+ Bronze PSUs are gone and the 80+ whites that are available for cheaper than the NeoECO Zen are trash.

[throw11]

Currently looking at this PSU (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-power-supply-white/6411819.p?skuId=6411819) but I can't find ANY information or reviews on it. EVGA doesn't have a W3 model on their site, can anyone provide insight? Looking to build a cheap pc so doesn't require much power.

[Juular]

32 minutes ago, throw11 said:

Currently looking at this PSU (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-power-supply-white/6411819.p?skuId=6411819) but I can't find ANY information or reviews on it. EVGA doesn't have a W3 model on their site, can anyone provide insight? Looking to build a cheap pc so doesn't require much power.

Okay ... new EVGA PSU.

At a first glance it looks like Andyson group regulated platform also used in Aerocool KCAS (just KCAS, not Plus or Gold) for example. So, not a very good thing. It's probably okay for like, NAS iGPU build or smth but nothing else.

[Jacob29]

Most likely going to be grabbing https://www.scan.co.uk/products/650w-seasonic-prime-px-full-modular-80-plus-platinum-sli-crossfire-single-rail-54a-135mm-fan-atx-psu later today.

 

Unless anyone can recommend me anything else at 650w for cheaper price?

Other alternate I found was the FOCUS Plat 650w for £130.

 

But I do not mind forking out for my PSUs and take them pretty seriously.

[Juular]

- Vote stage two

Just two variants this time. Choose wisely.

Variant A - keep it as is, i.e low priority units have gray color but placed inline

Variant B - split off low priority units to subtier

Open the spoiler for visual assist :

Spoiler

 

[Juular]

@Jacob29 first off, since your problem seems to be lying in PSU transient response of your Seasonic made PSU (essentially Seasonic Focus Gold) i would be reluctant to recommend even renewed revisions of it which supposedly should have such issues fixed. But even then, there's no reason to pay 40 pounds more for Focus PX over Focus GX :

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/650w-seasonic-focus-gx-650-80plus-gold-single-rail-fully-modular-54a-120mm-fan-atx-psu

If you definitely can return the PSU if such issues will persist with the new one still then yeah, it worth trying but if not i'd rather recommend one of these instead :

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/650w-be-quiet!-straight-power-11-full-modular-80-plus-gold-sli-crossfire-quad-rail-541a-135mm-fan-at

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/650w-corsair-rmx-series-2018-rm650x-full-modular-80plus-gold-sli-crossfire-single-rail-54a-140mm-fan

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/components-upgrades/power-supplies/super-flower-leadex-iii-gold-sf-750f14hg-modular-atx-psu-750-w-10201071-pdt.html

[Jacob29]

@Juular

 

Thank you for the ideas!

 

Good point regarding the Seasonic part... If I'm already having issues with one why get another.

 

I did forget the XFX XTR was basically a seasonic to be honest 

 

That Bequite looked good and I did look at it previously but was a bit unsure due to Aris' review of it having a few problems. 

 

Might be worth going for the RM650X, but have never particularly liked the idea of Corsair due to hearing how entry level they used to be a few years back. Seems like they have some top quality stuff though.

[GoldenLag]

1 hour ago, Jacob29 said:

how entry level they used to be a few years back.

im guessing thats more than 8 years ago, because they have essentially had the best PSU on the market for a very long time, that being the AXi series. 

 

1 hour ago, Jacob29 said:

That Bequite looked good and I did look at it previously but was a bit unsure due to Aris' review of it having a few problems. 

the platinum had some issues, not the older gold model which is what he linked. 

[Teot]

Hello. Could you please help me about which power supply I have to choose.

 

1. Be Quiet! BN284 Straight Power 11 850W 80+Gold 185$
2. FSP HYDRO G PRO 850W 80+ Gold    165$ 
3. Seasonic Focus Plus 850+ Gold 182$ SSR-850FX

there PSU  have 10 years  guarantee. 

 

My system needs max  ~550W . I  considering using the power supply for many years and I prefer 850W to minimize Fan operation.

 

 

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, Teot said:

My system needs max  ~550W 

this already makes me question the kind of system you're buying this for... what system are you exactly powering?

 

1 minute ago, Teot said:

I prefer 850W to minimize Fan operation.

you're aware that PSUs don't scale based off just load?