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1 hour ago, Juular said:

We discussed it just recently, it looks like it's based on Seasonic Focus platform so it uncertain, since it's quite old it's possibly still Focus FX, then it'll end-up with the rest of them at tier D+, but maybe they've switched to newer revision, Focus GX, then it's good. If you have any other options i'd recommend to avoid it.

Thank you for your reply. I’ve already go through some of the pages of this topic, and find that if the revolt pro based on old fx model, it will be D+ and if based on the new gx model then will be tier A. It seems to be a very big difference. 
 

Since I won’t gamble on that, I’m now considering Amp series 750w. As my planning build would be:

 

3700x or 3800x

5700xt or 2070

3.5” HDD x2

SSD x2


Is it Phanteks Amp 750 is enough?Or if compare with Thermaltake GF1 750w, which one would be better?
 

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34 minutes ago, Twins said:

Is it Phanteks Amp 750 is enough?Or if compare with Thermaltake GF1 750w, which one would be better?

TT GF1 are some CWT platform, i'm not sure but since it's in tier A it most likely GPS or GPU or some variant, and a lot of other tier A units like Corsair RMx and Bitfenix Whisper are CWT based too so it should be similar, but i'm not an expert anyway.

Speaking of wattage, if this is purely gaming PC then even 550W would be enough, if this would be some workstation with simultaneous high load on CPU and GPU (like rendering) then i'd go with 650W. 750W are kinda overkill but this all depends on the price, if it's like 10$ more over 550\650W variant i'd say it worth it, but it's definitely not needed.


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Hi Guys!

 

I'm looking for psu for my pc

this is what i found so far

Corsair CP-9020132 TX550M — 650 Watt 80 Plus  70 GBP or 61 GBP for 550 Watt

GIGABYTE G750H 750 Watt 61 GBP

 

I'm confused with this corsair, some website showing this psu as series TX-M or TXM, Is it the same?

That will means that's tier A on a list

 

My build is msi b450 gaming carbon ac

ryzen 5 3600

and rtx 2060 or 2070

 

is it better to buy stronger psu for future because the price difference is nothing or just stays with 550 Watt?

 

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6 minutes ago, zar said:

I'm confused with this corsair, some website showing this psu as series TX-M or TXM, Is it the same?

it's the same, so yes, it is

 

6 minutes ago, zar said:

is it better to buy stronger psu for future because the price difference is nothing or just stays with 550 Watt?

honestly, you can do most of the consumer market (excluding stuff like HEDT/TR/Multi-GPU) on a 550w psu, i wouldn't go much further, since you're unlikely to use it anyways


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GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

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13 minutes ago, zar said:

is it better to buy stronger psu for future because the price difference is nothing or just stays with 550 Watt?

You'll be okay with 550W if this is just a gaming build, but choosing between those two PSUs i'd go with Gigabyte one, it's better, both manufactured by CWT but Gigabyte GH are a bit more high-end, especially regarding operating noise (not that TXm are that loud but GH are quieter). Nevermind, i confused it with AP GM, go with Corsair TX550m.


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Looking for a replacement PSU under £40, any suggestions

i5-4690k @ 3.50GHz
z97 gaming 5 board
24gb ram
1tb hhd / 240 ssd
NVIDIA GeForce 1060 6GB

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PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

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DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

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i just purchased  a silverstone essential gold  ET650W- G

 

i can't seem to find any review about it. It's rated as gold for 650w is this at least a tier B?

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2 hours ago, KendoHack said:

Looking for a replacement PSU under £40, any suggestions

i5-4690k @ 3.50GHz
z97 gaming 5 board
24gb ram
1tb hhd / 240 ssd
NVIDIA GeForce 1060 6GB

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thermaltake-Smart-WHITE-Supply-warranty/dp/B07PGW8TN6/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Thermaltake+Smart+RGB+600W&qid=1581266802&sr=8-1


CPU:i7 9700k 5047.5Mhz All Cores Mobo: MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Edge AC, RAM:Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3200MHz DDR4 OC 3467Mhz GPU:MSI RTX 2070 ARMOR 8GB OC Storage:Samsung SSD 970 EVO NVMe M.2 250GB, 2x SSD ADATA PRO SP900 256GB, HDD WD CB 2TB, HDD GREEN 2TB PSU: Seasonic focus plus 750w Gold Display(s): 1st: LG 27UK650-W, 4K, IPS, HDR10, 10bit(8bit + A-FRC). 2nd: Samsung 24" LED Monitor (SE390), Cooling:Fazn CPU Cooler Aero 120T Push/pull Corsair ML PRO Fans Keyboard: Corsair K95 Platinum RGB mx Rapidfire Mouse:Razer Naga Chroma  Headset: Razer Kraken 7.1 Chroma Sound: Logitech X-540 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker Case: Modded Case Inverted, 5 intake 120mm, one exhaust 120mm.

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Just now, Constantin said:

group regulation, no uvp, no otp

 

it's worse than all 4 that I listed earlier


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

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PS Vita v2

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Just now, LukeSavenije said:

no uvp, no otp

?

 


CPU:i7 9700k 5047.5Mhz All Cores Mobo: MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Edge AC, RAM:Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3200MHz DDR4 OC 3467Mhz GPU:MSI RTX 2070 ARMOR 8GB OC Storage:Samsung SSD 970 EVO NVMe M.2 250GB, 2x SSD ADATA PRO SP900 256GB, HDD WD CB 2TB, HDD GREEN 2TB PSU: Seasonic focus plus 750w Gold Display(s): 1st: LG 27UK650-W, 4K, IPS, HDR10, 10bit(8bit + A-FRC). 2nd: Samsung 24" LED Monitor (SE390), Cooling:Fazn CPU Cooler Aero 120T Push/pull Corsair ML PRO Fans Keyboard: Corsair K95 Platinum RGB mx Rapidfire Mouse:Razer Naga Chroma  Headset: Razer Kraken 7.1 Chroma Sound: Logitech X-540 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker Case: Modded Case Inverted, 5 intake 120mm, one exhaust 120mm.

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Just now, Constantin said:

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OTP (Over Temperature Protection)

OTP or Over Temperature Protection shuts down when a certain temperature is reached, protecting the PSU from potentially melting. Intel requires this protection to be present in the recent 2.52 ATX spec, but before that it wasn’t required.

 

UVP (Under Voltage Protection)

UVP or Under Voltage Protection protects the PSU from dropping too much on voltage, allowing more current through, as OPP and OCP can’t detect this. Intel does not require this to be present, but we feel like it’s important enough to be a dealbreaker.

 


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

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Primary PC:

Spoiler

CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

Wii

 

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1 hour ago, LukeSavenije said:

group regulation, no uvp, no otp

 

it's worse than all 4 that I listed earlier

So you're saying that PSU with RGB fan could be bad ? Come on ...

Edit: Digital RGB fan nonetheless !


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3 minutes ago, Juular said:

So you're saying that PSU with RGB fan could be bad ? Come on ...

as you can see... RGB doesn't make a psu perform better, contrary to popular belief


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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

Wii

 

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Mr. LukeSavenije,

I believe your tier classification for Seasonic Focus Plus is unfair.

 

1 - You claim that its 12v OCP .at 136% is high, Corsair RM X is 157%.

2 - You back your claim with 120% load test from an unknown Chinese website presenting 268mv ripple which may be wrong. 

3 - Most PSUs don`t have load tests at 120% for comparison, not even by the same site and reviewer. The most known reviewers do not test more than 110%.

4 - Nobody is supposed to use the PSU above 100%, cetainly it may happen by ignorance and OCP should trigger when considered dangerous but assuming your source is valid. Is 268mv dangerous? It won`t be any good long term use but calling it dangerous is a bit too much.

5 - The test from the Chinese website is for the Platinum version, should be taken as the same to any other version.

 

 

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1 minute ago, SexualHealing said:

1 - You claim that its 12v OCP .at 136% is high, Corsair RM X is 157%.

it's not the value, it's the performance it pulls off until it shuts down. i can have a tripping point of 500% and don't care, if it's still all inside specification

 

2 minutes ago, SexualHealing said:

2 - You back your claim with 120% load test from an unknown Chinese website presenting 268mv ripple which may be wrong beause their 111% load test feels wrong, it shows the double of ripple measured by any known reviewer at 110%.

which shows it doesn't have any problems at those loads, hence clearly noting that it has issues, not that it's a bomb.

 

3 minutes ago, SexualHealing said:

3 - Most PSUs don`t have load tests at 120% for comparison, not even by the same site and reviewer. The most known reviewers do not test more than 110%.

correct

 

3 minutes ago, SexualHealing said:

4 - Nobody is supposed to use the PSU above 100%, cetainly it may happen by ignorance and OCP should trigger when considered dangerous

a psu should at least stay inside specification in the loads it's set for, this is why some focus units have been brought down to 110% (focus PX 2019 and Enigma G2 for example). the OCP is just where seasonic originally laid blame on with the GPU shutdown issues. 

 

5 minutes ago, SexualHealing said:

Is 268mv dangerous? It won`t be any good long term use but calling it dangerous is a bit too much.

it's not dangerous, but will shorten lifspan the connected hardware quite harsh, especially since 268mv is way beyond spec

 

and as i said before, if it wasn't an issue, why would Seasonic try to fix it with their 2019 line?


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

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16 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

and as i said before, if it wasn't an issue, why would Seasonic try to fix it with their 2019 line?

 

The 120% load test lacks a more reliable source but the above statement lacks any source as far as i know Seasonic never said they would fix anything on the Focus Plus. 

 

I belive you did not see this one:

 

5 - The test from the Chinese website is for the Platinum version, should be taken as the same to any other version.

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3 minutes ago, SexualHealing said:

The 120% load test lacks a more reliable source but the above statement lacks any source as far as i know Seasonic never said they would fix anything on the Focus Plus. 

they did say so after the GPU issues on rev 1 of focus (which applied to the whole lineup, indicating it was something changed across the whole lineup.

 

with that they did some hardware changes to GX/GM/PX 2019 that mostly didn't relate to it, and testing does show it's all good now, so...

 

but i've gone into this multiple times, for now there won't be any changes


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

Don't forget to quote or mention me

 

Primary PC:

Spoiler

CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

Spoiler

PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

Wii

 

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8 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

they did say so after the GPU issues on rev 1 of focus (which applied to the whole lineup, indicating it was something changed across the whole lineup.

 

with that they did some hardware changes to GX/GM/PX 2019 that mostly didn't relate to it, and testing does show it's all good now, so...

 

 

Source for both statements? 

 

By the way the test from the Chinese site is for the Focus Platinum, not even the Focus Plus. Those are not the same PSU. If you assime it is all the same, Focus GX/GM/PX is also the same.

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17 minutes ago, SexualHealing said:

Source for both statements? 

https://knowledge.seasonic.com/article/20-focus-plus-and-gpu-potential-compatibility-issues

 

a rep at seasonic


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

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Primary PC:

Spoiler

CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

Spoiler

PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

Wii

 

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27 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

 

They don`t say they are fixing anything, not even that it requires a fix. 

 

You are assuming a lot of things.

 

You also assume that Focus Platinum is the same as Focus Gold, and also the same as any Focus Plus and same as V2(was it released?) and different of GX that Seasonic says the only difference are the cables. 

 

Just like the other PSUs in the list of any brand, if it was not tested at 120% it is not the same as Focus Platinum. PSUs should be innocent until proven contrary.

 

Also more reliable test sources should be used. .

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16 minutes ago, SexualHealing said:

They don`t say they are fixing anything, not even that it requires a fix.

Of course they don't. How Seasonic fanboys would keep believing that Seasonic are bestest of the best otherwise ? But they did try to fix ripple issues by shipping shielded cables with inline caps for those who contacted support about that, and did discontinue old Focus lineup, replacing it under cause of changing name convention, making some hardware changes to the platform along the way, which are kinda hard to see other than a bunch of additional filtering caps, but apparently this worked.

16 minutes ago, SexualHealing said:

You also assume that Focus Platinum is the same as Focus Gold

I'm not an expect but even just looking at the pictures it's obvious that platform are the same, it was just pushed a bit further to Platinum efficiency certification which obviously doesn't affect anything bu the efficiency per se. It's different to another high-end Seasonic platform which used in the PRIME lineup, which also has Gold and Platinum rated units. AFAIK Focus Gold v2 are v1 with different cables, Focus GX, again, are different hardware-wise, although very subtly.

16 minutes ago, SexualHealing said:

 PSUs should be innocent until proven contrary.

Then you should google around about people having problems with Focus PSUs, there were quite a few even on this forum alone, even with shielded cables, that indicates some problems with the platform in general or maybe QC problems on some batches. Either way with older units being phased out there are really no reason to discuss this matter all again, it'll be eventually sold out and become irrelevant.

2 minutes ago, nikdek said:

Core GM and and Core GC, any infos on these ?

No reviews, we can assume that it's possibly somewhat downgraded Focus but no further than that.


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