[EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8

[LukeSavenije]

17 minutes ago, Shorty Snow said:

Your definition for "single rail" and "multi rail" is kind of wrong... also how did EVGA G3 end up in D tier when the sources you named literally say its a highly efficient and well performing unit?

what's wrong about it then?

 

because superflower set protections way too high to the point that a cap housing partly melted and one of the units died during opp testing?

[LogicWeasel]

54 minutes ago, Shorty Snow said:

Your definition for "single rail" and "multi rail" is kind of wrong... also how did EVGA G3 end up in D tier when the sources you named literally say its a highly efficient and well performing unit?

Your understanding that a unit would jump to Tier D just for not having multi-rail is wrong.  That only excludes a unit from very high echelons.  A PSU has to have some part of it very messed up to end up below tier D+. 

 

Also had you searched for "EVGA G3" in this thread (or seen the stickied thread about why they're bad news) you would have seen the already-repeated explanation about the G3 failures during review.

[Juular]

5 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

Also had you searched for "EVGA G3" in this thread

That's why we need some indication as to why some units have been detiered, simple spoiler with all notes and dagger above affected units would suffice. That will decrease all these questions about EVGA G3 & G5, Focus FX etc. @LukeSavenije please

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, Juular said:

@LukeSavenije please

i'm already busy with something, just don't expect me to be done any time soon

 

but i don't want to say too much, only when it's done

[Juular]

5 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

when it's done

Gabe, is that you ?

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, Juular said:

Gabe, is that you ?

the next psu tier list will be vr only

[LienusLateTips]

15 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

the next psu tier list will be vr only

no didn't you get the memo ltt forum is getting discontinued and we're posting it on bonzi buddy web

[Herman Mcpootis]

15 hours ago, Juular said:

Gabe, is that you ?

he can't be gaben, this list is at version 4.

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

he can't be gaben, this list is at version 4.

version 2 if you don't count the previous maintainers who aren't active at all anymore on the site

[Mezoxin]

On 12/14/2019 at 12:48 PM, LukeSavenije said:

well, the importance of it seems so little, that we chose to place it high either way. you're of course always welcome to prove otherwise

have you checked this comment on the gigabyte ap850 review regarding dc sequencing testing 

Quote

About the DC sequencing test on page 6.
There is something that I don't quit understand. Maybe I didn't understand the graphs legend.
Assuming:
Blue - 12V, Y axis is on far left.
Red - 5V, Y axis on the right.
Orange - 3.3V, Y axis on the close left.

On the "PSU Turn-On" test:
The 12V voltage did rise after the 3V like you said but it started from 7V, deeped to 6V - it means that it always been higher then 3.3V. The 5V rise with the 3V but on the steeper slope. when the 3.3V reach its destination the 5V reach 3.4V.

On "STANDBY TO FULL LOAD" test:
Its similar to the previous test when, The 12V voltage did rise after the 3V like you said but it started from 5V, deeped to 4V - it means that it always been higher then 3.3V. The 5V rise with the 3V but on the steeper slope. when the 3.3V reach its destination the 5V reach 4V.

 

https://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/aris-bitziopoulos/gigabyte-aorus-gp-ap850gm-psu-review/6/

 

Also reading the Intel Specification is rather confusing as the wording and the graphs are very unspecific as they may suggest that they mean combined output level for the 12v1 12 v2 and 5v and not individual 
See how they combined the 12v1 12 v2 and 5v in a single graph

[MineBloxCoderYT]

What tier is this PSU? it is not up there.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kCtQzy/evga-br-500w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-100-br-0500-k1

[Juular]

4 hours ago, MineBloxCoderYT said:

What tier is this PSU? it is not up there.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kCtQzy/evga-br-500w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-100-br-0500-k1

 

On 11/23/2019 at 2:36 PM, LukeSavenije said:

from a quick look it would fall around tier c-b

 

dcdc, but only a 30c rating and a bit questionable otp

It needs work to determine accurate position, it's in check list still.

[Mezoxin]

what are your experiences with renewed corsair psu's that are sold by corsair outlets and fullfiled by amazon 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RZ2FX5C/ref=dp_cr_wdg_tit_rfb

they supposedly come with a 10year warranty and something like the rmi-650w is sold for 55$

[LukeSavenije]

9 minutes ago, Mezoxin said:

what are your experiences with renewed corsair psu's that are sold by corsair outlets and fullfiled by amazon 

i haven't really heard what kind of tests they go through first

 

maybe @jonnyGURU can enlighten me here

[Juular]

Are Microcenter's branded PowerSpec PSUs in the check list ?

[MineBloxCoderYT]

9 hours ago, Juular said:

it's in check list still.

Thanks.

[LukeSavenije]

22 minutes ago, Juular said:

Are Microcenter's branded PowerSpec PSUs in the check list ?

they're not

 

if you got any info on them, happy to hear

[seon123]

10 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

they're not

 

if you got any info on them, happy to hear

These reviews have been out for ages.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/powerspec-psx-850gfm-850w-psu,5647.html

https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2018/06/18/powerspec-psx-850gfm-850w-power-supply/

https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=database&manfID=80&volts=1

 

[Juular]

10 minutes ago, seon123 said:

These reviews have been out for ages.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/powerspec-psx-850gfm-850w-psu,5647.html

https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2018/06/18/powerspec-psx-850gfm-850w-power-supply/

https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=database&manfID=80&volts=1

 

There are other three four models too, Bronze PS-BSM and PS-BF and Gold PS-GFM and PS-GSM.

@OrionFOTL might have some info on them.

According to him, Bronze ones are Sirfa High Power Element Smart. No idea on the Gold PS ones.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

i haven't really heard what kind of tests they go through first

 

maybe @jonnyGURU can enlighten me here

They just test them on a SunMoon and repackage them.

 

[Mezoxin]

1 hour ago, jonnyGURU said:

They just test them on a SunMoon and repackage them.

 

Is that good or bad ? 

[LogicWeasel]

6 minutes ago, Mezoxin said:

Is that good or bad ? 

SunMoon is technical equipment that is used for testing if a PSU works, so I would guess the testing is certainly not lacking

@jonnyGURU I wonder if they scrap ones they find to be bad, some issue that is less easy than just replacing some modular cables , or do they attempt to repair?

[Mezoxin]

17 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

SunMoon is technical equipment that is used for testing if a PSU works, so I would guess the testing is certainly not lacking

@jonnyGURU I wonder if they scrap ones they find to be bad, some issue that is less easy than just replacing some modular cables , or do they attempt to repair?

some of them are 70% cheaper than the new ones also on amazon page they say 10 year warranty , should we reccomend them to people ?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, LogicWeasel said:

SunMoon is technical equipment that is used for testing if a PSU works, so I would guess the testing is certainly not lacking

@jonnyGURU I wonder if they scrap ones they find to be bad, some issue that is less easy than just replacing some modular cables , or do they attempt to repair?

They scrap them for any reason.  From scratches to bad fans.  It just takes too many resources to repair a PSU... and then, you really should do Hi-Pot and burn in testing on it after you repair and retest it.  It just a major time suck.

1 hour ago, Mezoxin said:

some of them are 70% cheaper than the new ones also on amazon page they say 10 year warranty , should we reccomend them to people ?

10 year warranty on refurb product is incorrect.

 

Have a link to that?

 

[Mezoxin]

3 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

They scrap them for any reason.  From scratches to bad fans.  It just takes too many resources to repair a PSU... and then, you really should do Hi-Pot and burn in testing on it after you repair and retest it.  It just a major time suck.

10 year warranty on refurb product is incorrect.

 

Have a link to that?

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RZ2FX5C/ref=dp_cr_wdg_tit_rfb?tag=linus21-20