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Is i5 9400F fine with RTX 2070 super ? Or should i get RTX 2060 super with i5 9600k ?

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You'd be better off with an R5 3600 and the 2070 S.

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But why so. 

26 minutes ago, RedHoodxD said:

im looking for intel and nvidia build only  

AMD is giving better core and performance per dollar. Intel i5 lacks hyper threading. AMD R5 gives hyper threading and overclocking at the same cost. The R5 may not perform better in single threaded eSport games but the performance is negligible unless you play eSports as a livelihood. :P

 

if you're stuck with Nvidia, choose an i5-9600K or 9500 because the 9400F lacks even Turbo Boost, that breaks you. Especially since Ur graphics cards are such great ones. 

I'd suggest Ryzen 5 3600 anyday, and X570 mobo is costly (you don't need PCIe Gen 5 anyways), you can buy a B450 Tomahawk Max with updated BIOS (or similar from any company that updates the BIOS for 3rd gen Ryzen beforehand) or any other older B450 motherboard, you can still overclock but update the BIOS beforehand, the shop might do it for you, some good B450 mobos come with BIOS flash chips which make your work easier, or you will need a cheap or borrowed older gen supported gen 1 or gen 2 Ryzen CPU or APU to update the BIOS then install your new 3rd gen CPU. 

if you're still insisting on Intel, the lack of hypethreading (two thread per core) is a deal breaker for me but then don't buy the 9400F unless you're really broke - it won't do good to the 2060 Super - that GPU is way out of its league. 

and Z390 isn't that costly 

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50 minutes ago, RedHoodxD said:

im looking for intel and nvidia build only  

in that case i'd go with the faster gpu, just know that it's a close trade.


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Both options would work very well for a gaming PC.

If I had to choose I would personally go with the better GPU.

 

With this build you may be in a similar situation as I am now and you could regret not waiting 1-2 months extra to save a bit more cash so you could get 9600k + 2070S. My PC performs very well but I still regret not getting the 8700k + 1080ti

 

As @dizmo suggested it is not a bad idea to wait for black friday if that is possible for you. 

 


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Depends which resolution you game at. 2070 Super is pushing it for a 9400F. I'd save up the extra 100$ and get a 9600k to pair with the 2070 Super. Also, the previous poster is incorrect, the 9400F turbos to ~4.1. Maybe he should do just a quick google before posting misinformation as to not confuse anyone. Also, saying AMD is giving better performance etc per dollar and then admitting in certain use cases it is not is a level of cognitive dissonance I do not intend on touching with a 300ft pole.


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2 minutes ago, veikko315 said:

Depends which resolution you game at. 2070 Super is pushing it for a 9400F. I'd save up the extra 100$ and get a 9600k to pair with the 2070 Super. 

i mainly game at 1080p 144hz display 

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Yeah the 9400F will struggle to keep up with a 2070 Super at 1080p in most games, although you will likely exceed 144 fps in most games with this setup so it wont matter, I would try and save up a little longer and grab a 9600k and the 2070 Super, or just a 9600k and a 2070. Factor in the cost of a good cooler too. Full sized Noctua of your choice.


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3 hours ago, veikko315 said:

Yeah the 9400F will struggle to keep up with a 2070 Super at 1080p in most games, although you will likely exceed 144 fps in most games with this setup so it wont matter, I would try and save up a little longer and grab a 9600k and the 2070 Super, or just a 9600k and a 2070. Factor in the cost of a good cooler too. Full sized Noctua of your choice.

take a look at this  

9600k with 2070 super 

and 9400f with 2070 super 

3-4 fps difference 🤨

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5 hours ago, RedHoodxD said:

im looking for intel and nvidia build only  

The i5 9400F might be limiting and have very poor longevity, I wouldn't really pair it with a 2070 Super... ideally you'd want the locked i7 9700 at least otherwise plenty of games might see full CPU utilization already.


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take a look at this  

9600k with 2070 super 

and 9400f with 2070 super 

3-4 fps difference 

 

From what I can see based on just a cursory glance at this information you have provided, the 9600k was not overclocked. Which puts it very close to the 9400F Indeed, they are basically the same CPU with respect to metrics we are concerned with, just with difference clock "profiles" (simplifying this a lot). The 9600k has very similar "gaming performance" to the 9700k and the 9900k until you start to throw 2080ti's at it with uncapped frame rates etc. The 9600k can easily be overclocked to 5ghz and beyond with a good cooling setup, unlocking its amazing price per dollar gaming performance that is basically unmatched by anything else. 

 

tl;dr, the 9600k in your dataset appears to be running stock. Throw a full sized noctua of your choice on it and overclock it. As someone who bought the 8400 when it came out, which is basically the same processor as the 9400F, I wish I had spent the extra 100$ on a 8600k which is the same as a 9600k basically. Especially for 1080p high refresh rate gaming, having those 5ghz cores will make a big difference.

 

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The i5 9400F might be limiting and have very poor longevity, I wouldn't really pair it with a 2070 Super... ideally you'd want the locked i7 9700 at least otherwise plenty of games might see full CPU utilization already.

Interestingly for 100$ more in most gaming use cases the 9700 (~9700k stock in this dataset) does not out preform the 9600k O/C'd as we can see here. The most astute readers will notice that in fact the 9600k O/C'd has a much higher 0.1% low as well, which for some gamers (myself included) is one of the biggest factors to consider, as large frame rate drops completely ruin the immersive experience of gaming. 

 

However, in some games, that are utilizing the 9700's increased core count, the benchmarks sway in the other direction (notably Assassins creed)... although this is definitely not the norm, and is the exception.

 

(https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3421-intel-i7-9700k-review-benchmark-vs-8700k-and-more)

 

And now, the most studious of all will realize that by the time you factor in the cost of an aftermarket cooler with the 9600k to be able to O/C it to the point these gains are realized, you will have spent roughly the same as if you had bought the 9700 alone. 

 

So why would you buy the 9600k? Well on a lot of older games games (2017 and older) and Esports titles, the multicore utilization is not as good, and the 9600k outperforms the 9700 by a lot. 

 

So what conclusions can we draw?

 

As with everything, it depends on your use case.

 

Personally, I recommend the 9400F for most use cases (average gamer will be happy with this CPU and won't notice a difference) however, for those with more refined taste, for most games the 9600k is a great choice and generally runs up there with the big boys of yesteryear (8700k O/C and 7960XE) for a fraction of the price we paid for those top of the line CPU's just years ago. Very small difference between them. Bang for buck the 9600k is the people's gaming CPU. I stand by this 100%. The 9600k even runs within ~3% of the 9900k O/C in many games which is amazing considering its like half the price. 


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5 hours ago, veikko315 said:

 

From what I can see based on just a cursory glance at this information you have provided, the 9600k was not overclocked. Which puts it very close to the 9400F Indeed, they are basically the same CPU with respect to metrics we are concerned with, just with difference clock "profiles" (simplifying this a lot). The 9600k has very similar "gaming performance" to the 9700k and the 9900k until you start to throw 2080ti's at it with uncapped frame rates etc. The 9600k can easily be overclocked to 5ghz and beyond with a good cooling setup, unlocking its amazing price per dollar gaming performance that is basically unmatched by anything else. 

 

tl;dr, the 9600k in your dataset appears to be running stock. Throw a full sized noctua of your choice on it and overclock it. As someone who bought the 8400 when it came out, which is basically the same processor as the 9400F, I wish I had spent the extra 100$ on a 8600k which is the same as a 9600k basically. Especially for 1080p high refresh rate gaming, having those 5ghz cores will make a big difference.

 

Interestingly for 100$ more in most gaming use cases the 9700 (~9700k stock in this dataset) does not out preform the 9600k O/C'd as we can see here. The most astute readers will notice that in fact the 9600k O/C'd has a much higher 0.1% low as well, which for some gamers (myself included) is one of the biggest factors to consider, as large frame rate drops completely ruin the immersive experience of gaming. 

 

However, in some games, that are utilizing the 9700's increased core count, the benchmarks sway in the other direction (notably Assassins creed)... although this is definitely not the norm, and is the exception.

 

(https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3421-intel-i7-9700k-review-benchmark-vs-8700k-and-more)

 

And now, the most studious of all will realize that by the time you factor in the cost of an aftermarket cooler with the 9600k to be able to O/C it to the point these gains are realized, you will have spent roughly the same as if you had bought the 9700 alone. 

 

So why would you buy the 9600k? Well on a lot of older games games (2017 and older) and Esports titles, the multicore utilization is not as good, and the 9600k outperforms the 9700 by a lot. 

 

So what conclusions can we draw?

 

As with everything, it depends on your use case.

 

Personally, I recommend the 9400F for most use cases (average gamer will be happy with this CPU and won't notice a difference) however, for those with more refined taste, for most games the 9600k is a great choice and generally runs up there with the big boys of yesteryear (8700k O/C and 7960XE) for a fraction of the price we paid for those top of the line CPU's just years ago. Very small difference between them. Bang for buck the 9600k is the people's gaming CPU. I stand by this 100%. The 9600k even runs within ~3% of the 9900k O/C in many games which is amazing considering its like half the price. 

Can i OC 9600k with B365 motherboard ?

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Intel is something from the past, they won't rize up again untill 2022 don't stuck with their current faillure, just pick a B450 motherboard and R5 3600 then OC it as required and install RTX 2070 Super, I am sure there is no better idea you can get, go head, you only have to know how to OC the CPU and his infinity fabric correctly then you can choose any memory from DDR4 1866 to 3600, that won't matter anymore for AMD 

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Check the mobo tier list and get a decent one. You will be working it pretty hard pushing over 5ghz.


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