2070 super or 2080

[ruffel]

For around the same price (~US$500) I can either get the Inno3D RTX2070 Super Gaming OC X3 or RTX2080 Twin X2. Looking online myself, it seems that the 2080 is kinda crap (Non-A, runs kinda hot). Couldn't find much about the 2070 super, but it seems fine. For around US$600, I can get a RTX2080 iChill X3 or Gigabyte RTX2070 super Gaming OC White for ~$40 less.

With these prices in mind, which would be the best choice?

I have a 4k 60hz monitor (but 1440p will do fine) and my CPU is a R5 1600 for now. Having playable ray tracing would be cool too. 

[Sorenson]

I would go with the 2070 super. It is decent at 4k with settings tweaking and anti aliasing turned off. From my experience some games are easy to get to the 4k 60 mark and some take more time adjusting settings or running them at a slightly lower resolution.  

[Kenpachi1985]

I would not go for the inno3d 2070, you would be better off with the Gigabyte 2070 you mentioned. I have the same one (although the "non-white" version) and i am super happy with it.

Also, you can check this list for an overview:

 

[Streetguru]

20 minutes ago, ruffel said:

For around the same price (~US$500) I can either get the Inno3D RTX2070 Super Gaming OC X3 or RTX2080 Twin X2.

An RX 5700 with radeon image upscaling at $140 less

 

I'm doing all my 4k gaming on one

ray tracing still isn't there yet IMO.

Just overclock the 2070 super otherwise

[ruffel]

10 minutes ago, Kenpachi1985 said:

I would not go for the inno3d 2070

Do they have a bad rep or something? I am using GTX970 Twin X2 now and it's alright 

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, ruffel said:

Do they have a bad rep or something? I am using GTX970 Twin X2 now and it's alright 

Usually just want the biggest cooler you can get for the lowest price that fits in your case

[ruffel]

Just now, Streetguru said:

An RX 5700 with radeon image upscaling at $140 less

 

I'm doing all my 4k gaming on one

ray tracing still isn't there yet IMO.

Just overclock the 2070 super otherwise

Can't get that kind of price where I live

Even the Pulse is like $470

Figure it'd be better to spring for the 2070 super at that price.

[DSD27]

2070 super, as good, cheaper and newer.

[cafe]

19 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

An RX 5700 with radeon image upscaling at $140 less

 

I'm doing all my 4k gaming on one

ray tracing still isn't there yet IMO.

Just overclock the 2070 super otherwise

youre literally everywhere shilling for amd, its insane

 

[aisle9]

28 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

An RX 5700 with radeon image upscaling at $140 less

 

I'm doing all my 4k gaming on one

ray tracing still isn't there yet IMO.

Just overclock the 2070 super otherwise

All your 4K on a 5700? You sure you're not thinking of the 5700 XT?

[Founders]

I have a 2070 Super FE and I've been very happy with it. It runs games at 1440p 144Hz with no problem and with a manual fan curve it runs very quiet at load. I don't recall seeing temps going much past 60c so IMO save a few bucks and go with the reference card. These cards come overclocked from Nvidia so you're not going to make great strides with one of their partners anyway. 

[Streetguru]

34 minutes ago, RelativeMono said:

youre literally everywhere shilling for amd, its insane

At least in the US it's a cheaper GPU, with 80-90% the same performance as the 2070 super, but it has image sharpening to cheat out more fps in games

But for him the 2070 super makes more sense
 

 

24 minutes ago, aisle9 said:

All your 4K on a 5700? You sure you're not thinking of the 5700 XT?

flashed RX 5700

[aisle9]

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

flashed RX 5700

Please do go on...

[Streetguru]

Just now, aisle9 said:

Please do go on...

You can flash the XT bios onto the non XT card and get 90-95% of the XT's performance

Though the price gap for after market cards isn't very large right now.

[Jon Jon]

3 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

You can flash the XT bios onto the non XT card and get 90-95% of the XT's performance

Though the price gap for after market cards isn't very large right now.

Sadly it isn't really worth it to bother IMO.

 

I think it's great people can do it, but we are in a good spot as the AIB 5700XTs that are close to MSRP are rock solid, so it's hard to justify spending $30-$50 less and taking the risk of flashing.

 

I do see you recommending Navi all over the place, but it is hard for me to disagree with you.

 

Now that I've ironed out the weird quirks with the current drivers, I am more than happy with the card. It is easily choked by my Ryzen 7 1700 at the resolution I play for high refresh rate.

 

Grabbing the Sapphire Pulse or Power Color Red Dragon for $400-$420 is such a steal for the performance you get.

[DSD27]

Just keep in mind that the 5700xt competes with rhe 2060 super.

[BTGbullseye]

5 hours ago, DSD27 said:

Just keep in mind that the 5700xt competes with rhe 2060 super.

No, the XT competes with the 2070 Super, the non-XT competes with the 2060 Super.

[hollyh88]

On 10/22/2019 at 2:09 AM, Streetguru said:

An RX 5700 with radeon image upscaling at $140 less

 

I'm doing all my 4k gaming on one

ray tracing still isn't there yet IMO.

Just overclock the 2070 super otherwise

but worse quality then simply doing it at 4k. With also worse performance.

raytracing is here. and more games will have it due to how the consoles will now also support it. 

[hollyh88]

On 10/22/2019 at 1:49 AM, ruffel said:

For around the same price (~US$500) I can either get the Inno3D RTX2070 Super Gaming OC X3 or RTX2080 Twin X2. Looking online myself, it seems that the 2080 is kinda crap (Non-A, runs kinda hot). Couldn't find much about the 2070 super, but it seems fine. For around US$600, I can get a RTX2080 iChill X3 or Gigabyte RTX2070 super Gaming OC White for ~$40 less.

With these prices in mind, which would be the best choice?

I have a 4k 60hz monitor (but 1440p will do fine) and my CPU is a R5 1600 for now. Having playable ray tracing would be cool too. 

get the 2070 super and oc it. but do get the gigabyte. 

[Streetguru]

7 hours ago, hollyh88 said:

but worse quality then simply doing it at 4k. With also worse performance.

raytracing is here. and more games will have it due to how the consoles will now also support it. 

Sure, but the consoles are also running AMD hardware, so more than likely it will finally be plain DXR that can run on AMD or Nvidia, the performance hits still seem too big though for the gains in visuals, still have to figure out how to implement the lighting changes anyways in some games.

If you try upscaling from 1080p to 4k it won't look great, but if you're starting from 1440p/1600p/1800p -> 3840x2160, it's going to look pretty close to native with a substantial performance gain.

[hollyh88]

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Sure, but the consoles are also running AMD hardware, so more than likely it will finally be plain DXR that can run on AMD or Nvidia, the performance hits still seem too big though for the gains in visuals, still have to figure out how to implement the lighting changes anyways in some games.

If you try upscaling from 1080p to 4k it won't look great, but if you're starting from 1440p/1600p/1800p -> 3840x2160, it's going to look pretty close to native with a substantial performance gain.

they are running it on amd hardware. nvidia made it first into the gaming hardware. they will perfect it. i do expect ampere to really boost the performance. especially now that they have made a deal with samsung. 

also.. Really you havent seen the visuals? im telling you. play metro exodus with it enabled. the visual change is huge. Especially during the night and even during the day. 
i have tried it on my 1070 and yeah it sucked framerate wise but even i could tell the obvious differences. 

and pretty close is an understatement. the difference is also noticeable. sure less if you do it like you said. but still not good. 
i rather stick with a native image. and so should the op. 

the 2070 super is still the better buy. is it cheaper? no. it isnt. but if you have the money. go for it. Its better than the 5700/5700xt. does it at less power. less heat. and it can oc WAY better. due to nvidia not cranking their cards dry of oc headroom. 

and the OP asked for 2 cards. 2070 super or the 2080. why cant people accept that decision and stop telling people to go for the 5700/5700xt? the op didnt ask "which card should i buy" he asked "2070 super or 2080". 

 

[Streetguru]

12 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

 

They have about the same power draw, and both lack OC headroom, it's mostly about saving some cash where possible for a still plenty good gaming experience.

Metro looks weird with ray tracing sometimes

 

[hollyh88]

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

They have about the same power draw, and both lack OC headroom, it's mostly about saving some cash where possible for a still plenty good gaming experience.

Metro looks weird with ray tracing sometimes

 

a yes a video from 8 months ago, that helps
again, the difference is huge. you will say something different if you saw it for your own eyes. its different on a video. 

also,
wrong, 5700/xt lack oc headroom. the rtx cards can see fps increases even up to 15 fps. while the 5700/xt can only see 2/5 fps. 

its not mostly about saving some cash. If the op asks between 2 cards give him his answer. he asks 2070 super or 2080. 
clear answer there is the 2070 super unless the 2080 is a good card. with a proper cooler. in this case it isnt.

 

[DSD27]

On 10/23/2019 at 12:13 AM, BTGbullseye said:

No, the XT competes with the 2070 Super, the non-XT competes with the 2060 Super.

No, the XT competes with the 2060 super and obviously the non-super 2070, which was its originally intended target. The 2070 super is a more expensive card.

 

 

 

[BTGbullseye]

9 hours ago, DSD27 said:

No, the XT competes with the 2060 super and obviously the non-super 2070, which was its originally intended target. The 2070 super is a more expensive card.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1902-geforce-rtx-2070-super-vs-radeon-5700-xt/