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Fortnite Sued: As addictive as Cocaine

13 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Epic good parents bad.

A parent can be doing everything beneficial for their child, however if a game is designed to cause addiction, or to milk a parent's wallet with microtransactions then IMO the game should be treated the same as the lootboxes.

I think people are starting to wake up to this... there are now studies being done within the medical communities on the damaging effects that social media and gaming can do to a persons mental health... in particular those that are specifically designed to trigger the dopamine centres of the brain.

 

For the first time in a lifetime of playing games (and I'm in my 40's now)... I can actually agree with the argument that gaming can be harmful... but it's not because of the violence that's been touted for decades. It's because psychological manipulation is being used to make a profit... It's the worst kind of greed I can imagine and it is no better than a drug dealer offering you some freebies to get you hooked before reeling you in once you are. Some gaming companies are no more than drug dealers now.

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i think gaming addiction is a real thing but most people misconstrue what it is. not cleaning up your room because you are playing games is not gaming addiction. not feeding your baby and letting him starve to death because you are playing games or the stories of people in pc cafes dropping dead because they are playing games without eating or sleeping that is gaming addiction

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some of the people on this thread. dont have children. and if you do call CPS you have a issue in ur brain ... 

 
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8 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

The lawsuit is trying to claim that a misguided obsession is addictive in the same regard as a chemical addiction caused by cocaine.

 

No, that is the medias headline.  The lawsuit claims the dopamine reaction during addicting is similar to the mechanism in a cocaine addiction, they are not claiming the same level of addiction.  This is why internet dwellers should not comment on mental health, their ability to critically analyze media and journalism is severely lacking.

 

Also you keep using the term obsession like it means something as opposed to addiction.  That is incorrect usage of obsession.

 

 

8 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:


Lets' see cocaine causes physical/chemical changes to the brain and body.  I don't see Fortnite doing that in the same regard.

That's because you are not trained to, see any of that. 

 

8 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:


Withdraw from cocaine can cause cause physical problems.  Even other drugs, since we're trying to compare chemical addictions and these obsessions, can cause other symptoms such as seizures from the withdraw.  Please show me where lack of Fortnite causes seizures from withdraw.  A temper tantrum is not exactly the same thing.

What's that have to do with anything?  they are not claiming fortnight is a chemical addiction.  You may as well try to argue that without caffeine withdrawal symptoms cocaine is not addictive.   You can't use the symptoms and side effects of one addiction to define if something else is addictive or not.

 

8 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

The reason I linked it is because a video game "addiction" is a behavioral "addiction" in the same regard as a gambling "addiction".  Those 2 are experts on the matter, so I'll take their word for it even more so since that's a university.

 

 

It appears you are not understanding what they are saying, they are not saying that gaming cannot be addictive, they are saying that it is more accurate to treat it as a obsessive condition because the addictive side has not chemical causality like alcohol or drugs.  The actual problem is exactly the same it is still an addiction, just not an addiction like a chemical one.

8 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:


This case isn't really that interesting it's another bs sue happy case where irresponsible parents don't wanna take responsibility, so they plan to sue away.  Everyone wants to blame society rather than take personal responsibility which is my key issue with this. 

 

A conclusion that could only be drawn by someone who does not understand the depth of the problem. 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

mental health,

That there in lies the problem. Mental Heath is not taken serrously. We dont have a good system in the US for dealing with Mental Health and that has been the cause of numerous problems in the US. 

I just want to sit back and watch the world burn. 

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5 minutes ago, mr moose said:

No, that is the medias headline.  The lawsuit claims the dopamine reaction during addicting is similar to the mechanism in a cocaine addiction, they are not claiming the same level of addiction.  This is why internet dwellers should not comment on mental health, their ability to critically analyze media and journalism is severely lacking.

 

Also you keep using the term obsession like it means something as opposed to addiction.  That is incorrect usage of obsession.

 

 

That's because you are not trained to, see any of that. 

 

What's that have to do with anything?  they are not claiming fortnight is a chemical addiction.  You may as well try to argue that without caffeine withdrawal symptoms cocaine is not addictive.   You can't use the symptoms and side effects of one addiction to define if something else is addictive or not.

 

 

It appears you are not understanding what they are saying, they are not saying that gaming cannot be addictive, they are saying that it is more accurate to treat it as a obsessive condition because the addictive side has not chemical causality like alcohol or drugs.  The actual problem is exactly the same it is still an addiction, just not an addiction like a chemical one.

 

A conclusion that could only be drawn by someone who does not understand the depth of the problem. 

but their children not doing homework and playing fortnite is not gaming addiction which is probably what they are complaining about, if their children are starving themselves to death because they are playing fortnite then its a gaming addiction

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22 hours ago, SlimyPython said:

*sues Microsofties and Mojangles for making minecraft addictive*

but kids don't steal credit cards for mc!

this is kinda a joke but they don't

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But if sinking yourself into gaming and forgetting the real world is addiction, does the same apply to books, movies and TV series? Like isn't it part of the product that the book, movie, game or series is compelling and "addictive" (in a way you want more of it)?

 

Sickness is sickness, there's limit on everything. Is it jobs fault that someone becomes workaholic? Is it gyms fault that someone becomes obsessed and even addicted to working out and puts themselves in the harms way? Would you blame director for making a movie that someone watched multiple times consecutively until died from dehydration, starvation or whatever? Or writer of a book?

 

There's good and there's bad. The boss at the job can demand too much, the gym might use psychological advertising (but that's kind of improbable). If we leave out the bad probably agreed by everyone namely predatory practices, what is left behind? Do we burn Skyrim because someone sinked hundreds or even thousands of hours into it and skipped school and forgot real life for it because it caused dopamine to rush into their brain? I actually know couple of people who have skipped school to read books and even locked themselves into their rooms to finish a book series on one go. I can assure you books also may cause production of dopamine and addiction. Do we burn books over it? "Of course not, but books are a completely different topic" Are they?

 

What I mean is, it has been always part of entertainment to be compelling and able to sever person from reality. Was it games, books, movies, theater, opera, dancing, painting, porn, sex, extreme sports and everything between earth and sky and beyond that causes excitement and affinity, they cause our bodies to produce dopamine and happy fucking holidays, people have been addicted to them well over thousands of years. Why the hell are we now so ready to crucify gaming? Yeah, there is a lot of shit going in gaming industry, but there's a lot of shit going on everywhere.

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6 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

That makes sense to me, but a psychologist game developer seems a stretch for epic games, a significantly smaller operation

Fortnite "smaller"? ?

 

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2 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

Fortnite "smaller"? ?

 

the social scale is huge, and has an enormous playerbase, but is epic staffed as fully as valve?

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4 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

the social scale is huge, and has an enormous playerbase, but is epic staffed as fully as valve?

You only need 1 physcologmogilist.

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1 hour ago, spartaman64 said:

but their children not doing homework and playing fortnite is not gaming addiction which is probably what they are complaining about, if their children are starving themselves to death because they are playing fortnite then its a gaming addiction

Is that what they are complaining about though?  did you read that somewhere or did they say that? It is just as likely they came to this conclusion when their child's specific behaviors changed and specialists got involved concluding they were addicted to the game?

 

One of the biggest issues with threads like these is that people just make an assumption without any information other than a half informed media article and conclude  bad parenting.  We have literally nothing to go on here yet many people are absolutely convinced it is just bad parenting to the point they are trying to twist mental health issues and claim false equivalencies. 

 

1 hour ago, Thaldor said:

But if sinking yourself into gaming and forgetting the real world is addiction, does the same apply to books, movies and TV series? Like isn't it part of the product that the book, movie, game or series is compelling and "addictive" (in a way you want more of it)?

 

Like all things of this ilk, once any activity is taking priority over self care functions it is considered an addiction.   So yes, if you were reading books to neglect of self care (work/school, food/hygiene) then that would be just as bad and considered in the same light.

 

 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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1 hour ago, mr moose said:

Is that what they are complaining about though?  did you read that somewhere or did they say that? It is just as likely they came to this conclusion when their child's specific behaviors changed and specialists got involved concluding they were addicted to the game?

 

One of the biggest issues with threads like these is that people just make an assumption without any information other than a half informed media article and conclude  bad parenting.  We have literally nothing to go on here yet many people are absolutely convinced it is just bad parenting to the point they are trying to twist mental health issues and claim false equivalencies. 

 

Like all things of this ilk, once any activity is taking priority over self care functions it is considered an addiction.   So yes, if you were reading books to neglect of self care (work/school, food/hygiene) then that would be just as bad and considered in the same light.

 

 

well if their kids were starving to death or something serious like that you would think that would be a key part of the lawsuit not just some generic statement about dopamine

 

also have you ever had parents? they are like you can only play for 1 hour a day and then when I play for like 10 minutes over that hour they say you are addicted to video games we need to get you a psychologist for your gaming addiction

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2 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

well if their kids were starving to death or something serious like that you would think that would be a key part of the lawsuit not just some generic statement about dopamine

They don't need to be starving.   If their parents call them away from the game for dinner or try to give them food and they refuse it requiring physical intervention to eat or be removed from the game, then that is the same thing because without said intervention the person addicted to the game would suffer as they are putting the game before self care.  Someone not addicted would leave the computer to eat either of their own volition or at the request of the parent.

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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1 hour ago, mr moose said:

They don't need to be starving.   If their parents call them away from the game for dinner or try to give them food and they refuse it requiring physical intervention to eat or be removed from the game, then that is the same thing because without said intervention the person addicted to the game would suffer as they are putting the game before self care.  Someone not addicted would leave the computer to eat either of their own volition or at the request of the parent.

thats usually because they are playing an online game that they cant just pause and come back to it later. i have it the worst since i play an mmo called bdo and its common courtesy when you are group grinding to find a replacement before you leave and it can take a few hours since not many people exp grind anymore. my record was 8 i got home from work at 7 on a friday so i was thinking ill just grind until 9 and go to bed and at 9 i posted in the discord looking for a rep. and then 3 hours pass and im beginning to realize my mistake and im checking every 10 minutes going please someone come and free me. and then finally at 5 the people in my party said its ok dude just go to bed probably because at that point i was so tired and doing my skill rotation so slowly that i might as well not be there so it might have gone on longer in fact

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11 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

thats usually because they are playing an online game that they cant just pause and come back to it later. i have it the worst since i play an mmo called bdo and its common courtesy when you are group grinding to find a replacement before you leave and it can take a few hours since not many people exp grind anymore. my record was 8 i got home from work at 7 on a friday so i was thinking ill just grind until 9 and go to bed and at 9 i posted in the discord looking for a rep. and then 3 hours pass and im beginning to realize my mistake and im checking every 10 minutes going please someone come and free me. and then finally at 5 the people in my party said its ok dude just go to bed probably because at that point i was so tired and doing my skill rotation so slowly that i might as well not be there so it might have gone on longer in fact

That's not a severe impairment, that is you choosing not to upset the people you play with out of a conscious decision.  Addiction symptoms are not rational conscious decisions, they happen all the time every time and are accompanied not only with other behavioral patterns resulting directly from using/being removed from the game but also with psychologist reports claimed to be the result of an addiction.   There are many (probably hundreds) of overlapping traits and symptoms that are all caused by certain activities, but when enough of them are severe enough to irrationally effect self care functioning it becomes an addiction, in your example that would be after you found a replacement you would still not eat because you would start another campaign or group and keep playing.

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, will4623 said:

but kids don't steal credit cards for mc!

this is kinda a joke but they don't

may i introduce you to Bedrock edition

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I played Fortnite awhile back and haven't touched it for a good while after. These parents need their parenthood rights revoked for being retarded.

 

 

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Im suprised no parent group has gone after youtube, since google havent made it a secret everything they do is to prey on addictive tendencies to maximise time on site.

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6 hours ago, SlimyPython said:

may i introduce you to Bedrock edition

we don't talk about bedrock edition.

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12 hours ago, will4623 said:

we don't talk about bedrock edition.

*talks about bedrock edition*

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11 hours ago, SlimyPython said:

*talks about bedrock edition*

*slaughters*

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Good game design keeps players engaged and coming back for more. In other news, the sky is still blue, water is still wet, and Linus keeps dropping tech worth more than my car.

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9 hours ago, will4623 said:

*slaughters*

*is now dead outside and inside*

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