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Fortnite Sued: As addictive as Cocaine

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It'd be great if people could actually sue for real issues. Give people the power to sue big pharma over crippling addictions to opioids...


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13 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

I really want this to go through so games like this can die the fiery death they deserve.

Battle Royales need to die, and arena shooters need to come back.

 

Also good to see people confusing addiction and obsession.  Cocaine is addictive because of chemical changes in the brain that things like gambling and gaming cannot do.  Similar, but not the same thing.


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14 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

I would normally agree, but many adults are currently working more than 40 hours a week and don't have much time to take care of children fully. 

That's not the fault of the video game maker.  That's the fault of the parent(s).  They chose to spawn, it's their fucking responsibility above all else to raise those spawn in the best way they can.  If that means cutting the work hours, so be it.  That's called: life.


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5 minutes ago, jasonvp said:

that means cutting the work hours, so be it.  That's called: life.

So being kicked out on the street is ok with you? You don’t know the financial situation. Here in the US most live pay check to pay check. So cutting the work hours is not an option. She some have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to survive. 


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32 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Battle Royales need to die, and arena shooters need to come back.

 

Also good to see people confusing addiction and obsession.  Cocaine is addictive because of chemical changes in the brain that things like gambling and gaming cannot do.  Similar, but not the same thing.

Not a huge fan of arena shooters. I prefer battlefield 1 style.big maps, big teams, lots of action and chaos. Less predictable and more challenging in a fun way.

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14 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

So being kicked out on the street is ok with you? You don’t know the financial situation. Here in the US most live pay check to pay check. So cutting the work hours is not an option. She some have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to survive. 

Again: that's not an issue a third party needs to solve.  No one forced the couple to have kids; they did that on their own.  That decision comes with intense consequences and responsibilities, regardless of the setting.  It is, simply: the most important decision a person (or more accurately a couple) will make in his or her life.  Trying to blame society, a game maker, a teacher, another company, etc for your inability to properly raise your child(ren) is folly.  And it proves you made the wrong decision pertaining to kids.


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Again this thing? These so called people are parents, they should be sued for being trash at parenting! 


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23 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Not a huge fan of arena shooters. I prefer battlefield 1 style.big maps, big teams, lots of action and chaos. Less predictable and more challenging in a fun way.

I kinda grew up in the 90s, so Doom Death Matches, Quake 3, and the og Unreal Tournament were love.  I do play Quake Champions too.


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35 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

So being kicked out on the street is ok with you? You don’t know the financial situation. Here in the US most live pay check to pay check. So cutting the work hours is not an option. She some have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to survive. 

That's not the problem.  If you're having a pet, child, or whatever that is your responsibility.  Asking the world to babysit your kid because of your life choices is shitty to do.  If you don't have the time to take care of a child then don't have a child or pay for a babysitter.  Asking a gaming company to do all the work for you is shitty.  As much as I hate Epic for pretty much giving up on the new UT, I'm not going to side with the parents here.  These adults need to learn to either take the game away, or hire someone to take it away from them aka a babysitter.  Suing a company because they can't parent is silly and childish.  The game is not like cocaine!  Cocaine causes chemical changes in the brain that causes addiction.  These dopamine changes are causing an obsession at best, and parents and others are using excuses to hide the fact that they have shitty parenting skills or no time to parent in general, hence why they should have a babysitter do it if they want to have kids.  Can't afford to be a parent?  Can't afford that babysitter?  Then don't have the kid!  That's called being an irresponsible adult/parent!  Yes, I've lived with poor parents.  My dad was in debt for most of the 90s because he had to raise 2 kids on his own.  When I went to live with my mom when I was 12 we weren't really well off either.  However, both knew how to discipline me regardless of their craptastic schedules.  They knew how to take a game away from me, how to take my electronics away from me when I was fighting in school, and so on.  These parents want everyone to do everything for them and that's just pathetic.


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2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

 The game is not like cocaine!  Cocaine causes chemical changes in the brain that causes addiction.  These dopamine changes are causing an obsession at best, and parents and others are using excuses to hide the fact that they have shitty parenting skills or no time to parent in general, hence why they should have a babysitter do it if they want to have kids. 

Gambling does the same thing to your brain. If you design a game to be fun and addictive, while also encouraging spending, you are enabling addiction. It doesn't matter if there's a substance or not. 


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14 hours ago, Arika S said:

"I'm not a bad parent that doesn't keep an eye on what my kids are doing or set rules for leisure time. It's those damn video games!!!"

its both

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Just now, ARikozuM said:

Gambling does the same thing to your brain. If you design a game to be fun and addictive, while also encouraging spending, you are enabling addiction. It doesn't matter if there's a substance or not. 

Not really.  http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=9198

According to actual experts on the matter they describe gambling more as an obsession, not an addiction.  I mean you could argue the DSM; however, the DSM gets updated all the time.  In the last major update Asperger's Syndrome went from a disability to a developmental disorder.  Physical act cannot cause the same changes to the body that drugs can.  Now, that doesn't mean gambling can't be a problem; however, classifying it as the same thing is as silly as classifying high functioning autism as a disability. 


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31 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

I kinda grew up in the 90s, so Doom Death Matches, Quake 3, and the og Unreal Tournament were love.  I do play Quake Champions too.

I did as well but never played those very much.

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Oh my god, fun things being addictive. Who would've thought! People like doing fun things! I wonder why monotone, boring chores aren't addictive, but fun games that hardly ever repeat themselves are. Hm hm...

 

“knowingly put on the market a very, very addictive game which was also geared toward youth.”

 

Company making a popular product that caters to a wide audience. Totally not like any other food, tech or fashion braned ever, that's not a matter of this lawsuit. Heh. I may disagree with a lot of Epic's BS, but I'm gonna defend them here. If anyone should be blamed it's the parents, not a game company...

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15 hours ago, TempestCatto said:

Addiction is a result of bad parenting. Teach them about moderation and variety; they'll do well in life.

 

(just my two cents)

Absolutely incorrect.  Moderation and variety have nothing to do with addition. Addiction is the mind/body reaction to a thing.  Obsession is more of what you're looking at in your comment.

 

Parenting is not the easiest thing on the planet, of just putting down rules and expecting your kids to fall in line. I mean, you CAN beat them emotionally to keep them broken and under control I guess.  But when you have schools and social media input.. it's not as easy as saying "no Fortnite for you" when all their friends play it.

 

You have to balance giving and taking, generosity and frugality, etc.  Like all things, parenting is a balance.

 

At the end of the day, kids will  come out pretty good for the most part.  The long term harm of Fortnite isn't in question here, it's the short term.  That immediate need and reaction, the dopamine is infact a thing.  Same as any other addiction, your body releasing chemicals/hormones when certain criteria are reached.  Or even the opposite, the body dumping negative chems/hormones when kids feel they're behind the curve or not as good (gotta git gud!!!!).

 

Been there, I've chased those rabbits for that high.  Not gaming, but sex and cars and guns.  I understand the feelings that are driving these kids to spend non-stop time doing a thing.  Chasing that feeling.

 

It's hard, because as a parent I dealt with this stuff.  Finding burner phones because social media was addicting, video game time, clothing trends, keeping up with the Jones', etc.

 

Like everything in life, it's not black and white.  Part parenting, part society, part human nature.

 

Edit:  btw, if you AREN"T including psychologists in your game creation (for these types of games) you're an idiot. Not doing everything you can to make a game successful, including finding out what makes people want to keep playing it... dumb.


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So basically they're suing a company for making a game that kids play and their parents suck at parenting?

Why the fuck can't you do this with creepy youtube kids channels?!?!??!?!?!?!


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1 minute ago, Murasaki said:

So basically they're suing a company for making a game that kids play and their parents suck at parenting?

Why the fuck can't you do this with creepy youtube kids channels?!?!??!?!?!?!

Pretty much.  They're claiming that misguided obsessions are addictions intentionally caused by Epic.  In reality this is caused by a poor habitat and/or poor choices.  Parents like making excuses for their piss poor parenting.  I say we take the parents away since that's clearly the cause of the problem.


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I've been saying this about social media in general for the last 7-8yrs. There is now a direct correlation to the use of social media, addiction and the detriment to mental health.

 

Game companies have simply taken that and applied it to their product, and surprise, surprise (not really) we see a massive increase in mental health issues and addiction.

 

It's why I deleted my social media account 7yrs ago, and although I do have a twitter account... it's used solely for the purpose of calling out companies shady practices when they ignore and treat customers like crap... and by customers, I mean me. I've called out 4 companies using it after having complaints ignored and gotten 4 results... Amazing how quickly the act when you start tagging them with #fraud #incompetent #useless #scammers and so forth.  :)

 

I had a G+ account... which to this day is still the only (former) social media platform that struck the right balance (until they fucked with the format and ruined it, then shut it down because people left because they fucked with the format).

 

So to sum up

 

social media sucks due to it's use of psychological manipulation to get people addicted and no one does anything about it... games companies adopt the exact same practices and once it starts costing people money... now they want something done.

 

Just another example of 'games are evil'  no they're not... the companies employing devious, insipid, unethical, immoral and dangerous business practices are the true evil.

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17 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

right, ok

Steam/Valve literally have a Psychologist on staff to work out their sales schemes. Made them a ton of cash... not sure if real Psychologist or con man with purchased degree from Ebay. Either way, it worked.

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I remember when I was young playing nothing but my N64 and if my mother thought I was playing too much she would walk to my room unplug the thing and that would be that. I would be forced to go outside with friends. Why has this changed...I am not a parent so I do not understand how parents when I was little had complete control over this but now they feel powerless? I am sure like myself alot of us complained about losing video games if they were taken away but eventually we got over it. What is it about today that makes this different? It seems like graphics are better but they are still just video games. they are not a necessary right, they are a privilege and kids should know this?

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23 minutes ago, GodSeph said:

I remember when I was young playing nothing but my N64 and if my mother thought I was playing too much she would walk to my room unplug the thing and that would be that. I would be forced to go outside with friends. Why has this changed...I am not a parent so I do not understand how parents when I was little had complete control over this but now they feel powerless? I am sure like myself alot of us complained about losing video games if they were taken away but eventually we got over it. What is it about today that makes this different? It seems like graphics are better but they are still just video games. they are not a necessary right, they are a privilege and kids should know this?

Honestly, shitty parenting+other reasons, and other groups getting involved is nothing new.  Remember how heavy metal and gaming were the cause of every mass shooting, suicide, devil worshiping, and so on?  Not because of mental illness or any other actual issue.  In this scenario the cause is bad parenting.  What causes misguided obsessions is, as I said before, the habitat and/or poor choices.  The poor choices are the way these parents are approaching parenting, and these parents are causing a poor environment for their child.  Do you really blame the kid?  Most of the time these parents shove a screen in front of their kids to babysit them.  Rather than being a responsible parent who takes the damn thing away they make excuses and blame everyone else.

Rob Halford's vocals are why 2 teens killed themselves.

Mariyln Manson is the reason the Columbine shooting happened.

 

Mortal Kombat is why kids are fighting in school.

 

And now, Epic Games is why your kid is throwing a tantrum when you don't let them play it long enough.

Remember!  Mental health, abuse, bullying, piss poor parenting, and various other reasons aren't the cause.  Even if they are give the parents a break life is too hard and they have every right to be shitty parents because of poor life decisions!


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53 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

Steam/Valve literally have a Psychologist on staff to work out their sales schemes. Made them a ton of cash... not sure if real Psychologist or con man with purchased degree from Ebay. Either way, it worked.

That makes sense to me, but a psychologist game developer seems a stretch for epic games, a significantly smaller operation


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