AMD officially announces RX 5500 series, obliterates GTX 1650

[Fasauceome]

4 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

85w for 5500M, 110w for 5500. Although that's not set in stone, it's clear with lower clocks they can still beat the 1650 and be within 75w. So we might still see a 75w card.

 

There are also 5300M's popping up, so maybe a 5300 4gb could be a 75w card if it exists?

it would be neat to have a version without the 6 pin connector, for those old OEM systems that people absolutely love tossing a 1050 or 1030 into.

[BiG StroOnZ]

 

Source: https://www.igorslab.media/en/nvidia-counters-the-rx-5500-xt-with-a-gtx-1660-super-almost-cannibalizes-its-own-ti-with-it-and-waits-relaxed-with-the-old-2060-for-a-rx-5600-xt/

[Spacehedge1]

112% of the 480's performance from 71.5% of it's area is apples-to-apples comparison in that it shows how their first gen, unrefreshed architectures have allowed them to reduce the amount of silicon they have to provide per performance. I think comparing vs the 5x0's factory overclocking, which will surely come later for Navi, would obscure that.

[SPARTAN VI]

5 minutes ago, Spacehedge1 said:

112% of the 480's performance from 71.5% of it's area is apples-to-apples comparison in that it shows how their first gen, unrefreshed architectures have allowed them to reduce the amount of silicon they have to provide per performance. I think comparing vs the 5x0's factory overclocking, which will surely come later for Navi, would obscure that.

That makes sense. Definitely not something that's as useful to customers as it would be to maybe.. internal/industry chest pounding. 

[DanielMDA]

12 hours ago, MeatFeastMan said:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-5500

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VideoCardz is reporting that AMD is to announce the RX 5500 series as expected today, October 7th (I wonder why..).

https://videocardz.com/82162/amd-announces-radeon-rx-5500-series-with-gddr6-memory

 

 

They are apparently announcing 3 SKU's:

The RX 5500M has 4gb (Not confirmed whether GDDR5 or GDDR6 though), while the 5500 non-XT has 4gb GDDR6, and the 5500XT has 8gb GDDR6. There were rumors of a 3gb card, but it looks like those were untrue if this is anything to go by.

 

They also suggest that this card competes against the lower-end Polaris and Turing cards:

I find this very very interesting. Is this a hint at the pricing? They couldn't, could they? If they price this alongside the 1650, WOW. I don't think any of us would have expected that.

 

VideoCardz has also leaked the performance slides AMD is going to show (no resolution, but I assume it's 1080p in some form):

 

 

That is some serious butt-whooping going on there. This is far ahead of the RX 570, which is about on par with the 480. It may well be that AMD can deliver what people wanted, a true RX 570 replacement. I'd imagine these numbers would put it around the 1660 performance. That is nearly 20% faster overall than the RX 480 there, while apparently being 1.6X the performance per watt, and well..I'm not even going to bother calculating the difference over the 1650 cause that is a huge gap.

 

And by the way, the 5500 isn't the only one beating the 1650. The 5500M (Assuming that means a mobile part) is beating the full 1650 as well, despite being pitted against the 1650 mobile part. Now it remains to be seen: How are Nvidia going to respond to this? AMD have responded to a 1650 Super, they've countered that without it even being launched yet.

 

If they price the 5500 at $150, then..the RX 570 successor has finally arrived. There's a new king in town. Budget buyers finally have something worth buying.

 

EDIT: ITS OFFICIAL.

Navi will also appear in laptops too! The 5500M will appear in a number of laptops, including MSI's Alpha 15 for $999:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-alpha-15-price-specs-amd-5500m,40558.html

 

No official pricing details yet or release date however for the desktop parts. Also..there are no reference designs. All custom.

 

You also get a free game with these cards. Either Ghost Recon Breakpoint or Borderlands 3! And Wccftech are reporting (grains of salt, not official) that the 5500 will launch at $130 and 5500XT at $150. Power consumption has also been revealed by AMD at 110w TBP for the 5500.

Hey, and the 5500 has got 2CUs (1DCU) disabled, meaning we are getting a 5500XT at some point in the future.

[Zodiark1593]

13 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

thin PCB? or thin cooler?

 

what they need to beat tho is the 1660, no one gives a crap to the 1650 on desktop.

The 1650 is a good option for those on OEM systems with lousy power supplies, as the 1650 can run without external power. I'm curious to see the power consumption of the RX 5500. If it too doesn't require external PCIe power connections, then there's no reason for the 1650 to exist outside CUDA.

 

Edit: 110 watts well exceeds the 75 watt limit of the PCIe slot by itself. May require some binned or underclocked chips to completely obviate the 1650. Underclocked however will probably bring it closer in line with the 1650 anyway.

[Spacehedge1]

4 hours ago, SPARTAN VI said:

That makes sense. Definitely not something that's as useful to customers as it would be to maybe.. internal/industry chest pounding. 

If AMD was really our friend, they wouldn't sell this 158mm chip to us for 50% more than the 123mm 460. 

[williamcll]

Bit more information: I'm pretty sure the 5500M is for laptops

[GOTSpectrum]

2 hours ago, Spacehedge1 said:

If AMD was really our friend, they wouldn't sell this 158mm chip to us for 50% more than the 123mm 460. 

although to some degree I agree,

 

7nm is much more expensive than 14/12nm at glofo, seeing as the card uses GDDR6 that too is more expensive.

 

Not saying the price hike is okay, just that SOME of the increase is justified.  

[GOTSpectrum]

59 minutes ago, williamcll said:

Bit more information: I'm pretty sure the 5500M is for laptops

PCIe 4.0 is nice for laptops as that means you can run the 'card' on a 4x, or maybe even a 1x 'slot' and it will be fine, leaving more of the valuable lanes open for NVMe and networking cards. It also means more lanes are free for thunderbolt too!!!

[mr moose]

The 1650 was released a year ago not that long ago, Of course a new GPU with more processing power and better ram can beat it,  It will be incredibly shameful if it doesn't.

 

Next in the headlines for the TN sub,  AMD's new ryzen 3 3300 shits all over Intels i3 8100    oops, not really relevant to topic

[Anomnomnomaly]

8 minutes ago, mr moose said:

The 1650 was released a year ago, Of course a new GPU with more processing power and better ram can beat it,  It will be incredibly shameful if it doesn't.

 

Next in the headlines for the TN sub,  AMD's new ryzen 3 3300 shits all over Intels i3 8100...  

Only the 20xx series cards were released last year. nVidia didn't release the 16xx series until 2nd quarter 2019... and then refreshed the 20xx series with the 'super' in July to undermine the 5700 launch... as well as cutting prices by around 10%

 

 

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

Only the 20xx series cards were released last year. nVidia didn't release the 16xx series until 2nd quarter 2019... and then refreshed the 20xx series with the 'super' in July to undermine the 5700 launch... as well as cutting prices by around 10%

 

 

My mistake, I take it back. thank you for correcting me.

[LAwLz]

If this card is 150 dollars then it's a fantastic buy.

If it's ~200 dollars then it will be kind of a meh launch with roughly the same price:performance as what Nvidia offers.

 

Let's hope it's 150 dollars.

[williamcll]

9 hours ago, GOTSpectrum said:

PCIe 4.0 is nice for laptops as that means you can run the 'card' on a 4x, or maybe even a 1x 'slot' and it will be fine, leaving more of the valuable lanes open for NVMe and networking cards. It also means more lanes are free for thunderbolt too!!!

Yeah but Thunderbolt has yet to support PCIe4 yet

[TechyBen]

On 10/7/2019 at 11:34 AM, GOTSpectrum said:

I just want OpenCL to work on Navi! Urgh 

I just want a low profile and no power connector.

[Mihle]

Maybe some OEMs will have it first because limited 7nm supply so they rather want production on Ryzen? 

[DrMacintosh]

Excited to see the 5500M go inside the new MacBook Pros

[GOTSpectrum]

I really think they should have made the lower end cards on 12nm, yeah power consumption would be higher, but they could sell them for pocket change and just crash the market.

 

Maybe make an OEM card on 7nm with no power connector and a consumer card that needs it but is a fair amount cheaper.

 

But... We all know AMD wouldn't do such a thing 

[leadeater]

@GOTSpectrum Do we know the pricing yet?

[GOTSpectrum]

8 minutes ago, leadeater said:

@GOTSpectrum Do we know the pricing yet?

Not that I know of, i'm expecting it to undercut the vnidia part by 10% or so myself.

[TheVillageIdiot]

In response to........

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/259919/the-end-of-a-collaboration-intel-announces-discontinuation-of-kaby-lake-g-with-amd-radeon-vega-graphics

 

lol

 

[Dovaogedy]

Currently using a Sapphire Pulse RX 570 4gb, is this worth upgrading for?

[MeatFeastMan]

Just thought I'd update this. Early gaming benchmarks are out for the 5500M..

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Comeback-AMD-reaches-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1660-Ti-Max-Q-levels-of-performance-with-the-Radeon-RX-5500M.440495.0.html

 

It is close to the 1660ti Max-Q. That is very promising. These are pre-production results, so they could improve.

 

Just one result of many on the site, for those who can't be bothered to look.