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AMD officially announces RX 5500 series, obliterates GTX 1650

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Cries in GTX 1650 laptop.


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Just now, AluminiumTech said:

Cries in GTX 1650 laptop.

Ouch. Must be painful after seeing those numbers on the 5500M. 52% faster in one of the games! That is nothing short of astonishing performance. I don't think any of us were expecting quite this much. Caught me by surprise seeing those numbers. Literally makes a mockery of the 1650. Standing in solidarity at this painful time :(

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What is AMD doing differently this time around? Is this just the 7nm process or does AMD have some architecture improvements going on?


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3 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Ouch. Must be painful after seeing those numbers on the 5500M. 52% faster in one of the games! That is nothing short of astonishing performance. I don't think any of us were expecting quite this much. Caught me by surprise seeing those numbers. Literally makes a mockery of the 1650. Standing in solidarity at this painful time :(

btw AMD's own website says the 5500 non XT does use 14Gbps GDDR6.

 

But yeah that's very painful.


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2 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

What is AMD doing differently this time around? Is this just the 7nm process or does AMD have some architecture improvements going on?

7nm, PCIe 4, GDDR6

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1 minute ago, Okjoek said:

What is AMD doing differently this time around? Is this just the 7nm process or does AMD have some architecture improvements going on?

This is using AMD's new RDNA 1.0 architecture which has much better performance per watt (1600-1700MHz 22 Navi CUs is able to match and/or beat 1200-1300MHz 36 Polaris CU).

 

It also happens to be using GDDR6, and 7nm for lower power usage.


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Their relative performance slides leave a bit to be desired. They're comparing their latest RX 5500 to 14nm Polaris? Why not the RX 580 or RX 590 (12nm)? Is it because the RX 5500 doesn't look as favorable when comparing to its actual last gen (or current gen, depending how you look at it) offering? 

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Not that most of us would care for these manufacturer marketing slides anyway. ?

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2 minutes ago, SPARTAN VI said:

Their relative performance slides leave a bit to be desired. They're comparing their latest RX 5500 to 14nm Polaris? Why not the RX 580 or RX 590 (12nm)? Is it because the RX 5500 doesn't look as favorable when comparing to its actual last gen (or current gen, depending how you look at it) offering? 

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Not that most of us would care for these manufacturing marketing slides anyway. ?

Because these aren't pitted against those. They are supposed to replace the RX 570 and demolish the GTX 1650.

 

AMD have said that these aren't the FULL Navi 14's. These are cut down Navi 14's, meaning the 5500XT seems to be the one that has 24 or 26CU's. Or maybe a 5600 series. Those should be the ones competing against the 1660 Super and Ti.

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3 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

AMD have said that these aren't the FULL Navi 14's. These are cut down Navi 14's, meaning the 5500XT seems to be the one that has 24 or 26CU's.

the page for the 5500 card says 22 CU, so maybe they'd have the space ._. admittedly with a 2 CU difference I'm not sure how much leverage that'll have...

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7 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

the page for the 5500 card says 22 CU ._. admittedly with a 2 CU difference I'm not sure how much leverage that'll have...

Well..1845mhz is the game frequency for the 5500, and it only has 110w. 2 more CU's AND another like 100mhz, maybe even 200mhz..I think there's a solid 10% gap there which would put it in between the 1660 and 1660 Super at least.

 

AMD still have frequency left on the table here, quite a lot actually.

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2 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Because these aren't pitted against those. They are supposed to replace the RX 570 and demolish the GTX 1650.

 

AMD have said that these aren't the FULL Navi 14's. These are cut down Navi 14's, meaning the 5500XT seems to be the one that has 24 or 26CU's. Or maybe a 5600 series. Those should be the ones competing against the 1660 Super and Ti.

RX 580 and 480 are on the same 14nm node though. Their performance is roughly identical with a 1-2% spread in favor of the RX 580. Just seems disingenuous to compare the RX 5500 to Polaris 10, which is largely not even on store shelves anymore. 

 

If the goal was to replace the RX 570, then why didn't they do that in the slide? That actually would have been a more favorable comparison in terms of relative performance and performance per watt. 

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Just now, SPARTAN VI said:

RX 580 and 480 are on the same 14nm node though. Their performance is roughly identical with a 1-2% spread in favor of the RX 580. Just seems disingenuous to compare the RX 5500 to Polaris 10, which is largely not even on store shelves anymore. 

 

If the goal was to replace the RX 570, then why didn't they do that in the slide? That actually would have been a more favorable comparison in terms of relative performance and performance per watt. 

RX 480 is equal to the RX 570 in performance. They are just portraying the best scenario they can I guess, in a sneaky way.

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6 minutes ago, SPARTAN VI said:

RX 580 and 480 are on the same 14nm node though. Their performance is roughly identical with a 1-2% spread in favor of the RX 580. Just seems disingenuous to compare the RX 5500 to Polaris 10, which is largely not even on store shelves anymore. 

 

If the goal was to replace the RX 570, then why didn't they do that in the slide? That actually would have been a more favorable comparison in terms of relative performance and performance per watt. 

 

4 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

RX 480 is equal to the RX 570 in performance. They are just portraying the best scenario they can I guess, in a sneaky way.

yes and no, 480 is more efficient than the latter cards so their efficiency comparison would look even better with the 580/570

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10 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

RX 480 is equal to the RX 570 in performance. They are just portraying the best scenario they can I guess, in a sneaky way.

But it's really not, the RX 480 is much more relatively similar to the RX 580 than it is to the RX 570 both in real world performance and its spec sheet. Other than base/boost/mem clocks, the RX 480/580 are identical on paper (shading units, CUs, ROPs, etc.) while the 580 tends to consume more power to create its performance spread. My bottomline, their slides really should have been pointed at something that's on the shelves now if their intention was to replace the 570/580's shelf space.

 

But me hammering on this makes it seem like I care more than I do. It's just something I noticed in passing that made me SMH. 

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Probably comparing it to the 480 to convince people to buy it over the used stock on ebay / Polaris is 3 years old and if I remember right the average upgrade window is ~3 years. The 1650 for obvious competition reasons.

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I wonder what CPU will the 5500M laptop will be paired with?


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5 minutes ago, williamcll said:

I wonder what CPU will the 5500M laptop will be paired with?

On the MSI laptop they are using the 3750H, which I'm guessing is Zen+ rather than Zen2.

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10 minutes ago, williamcll said:

I wonder what CPU will the 5500M laptop will be paired with?

Core i5s in most configurations. It's an independent product for AMD and won't likely be tied to their APUs. 

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4 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

 

Nvidia also has the 1660ti and even the 1660 Super coming in at this $250-ish price range, will be interesting to see who can get better prices

Wtf? Nvidia with a masterclass on how to cannibalise your own sales, second only to Canon

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