3700x vs 3800x is it worth to pay for 3800x for gaming usage ?

[Anas Dweik]

Hi guys . i have the budget to buy 3800x but i see no difference in gaming between 3700x and 3800x in gaming . so i see no reason to buy 3800x for gaming right ??

*planning to buy 2080 ti soon .

[Spotty]

I've heard there has been some minor improvement to the 3800X with latest BIOS updates, but I'd still stick with the 3700X.

[LukeSavenije]

it's a little higher clocked out of the box, but generally isn't worth it's premium

[Anas Dweik]

Just now, Spotty said:

I've heard there has been some minor improvement to the 3800X with latest BIOS updates, but I'd still stick with the 3700X.

i saw this video but its 20m and I dont have good enough English to understand the video  , so i thought i would as her for short answers

[Dedayog]

For straight gaming I'd run the 3600 and use the savings to pimp the rest of the machine, or a better GPU.

[Anas Dweik]

3 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

For straight gaming I'd run the 3600 and use the savings to pimp the rest of the machine, or a better GPU.

but it will bottleneck with the 2080 ti right?

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Anas Dweik said:

but it will bottleneck with the 2080 ti right?

Depends what resolution.  For 1440p high refresh it won't by any serious margin.

 

What's the rest of your build?  Monitor?

[5x5]

4 minutes ago, Anas Dweik said:

but it will bottleneck with the 2080 ti right?

If you're buying a 2080 Ti, get the 3700X for the extra cores and clocks. Also comes with a decent cooler

[Vejnemojnen]

42 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

 Also comes with a decent cooler

Well, yes, it's capable enough for a 4core 65w tdp cpu. But noisy and runs hot with an eight core. Recall how it was outperformed by that cheap aliexpress SnowMan? 

 

I would not run 3700x with stock prism cooler... 

[Anas Dweik]

50 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Depends what resolution.  For 1440p high refresh it won't by any serious margin.

 

What's the rest of your build?  Monitor?

getting my 1440p monitor soon , 16gb of ram 3200. and still thinking of mobo . and gtx 1080 for now 

[Anas Dweik]

46 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

If you're buying a 2080 Ti, get the 3700X for the extra cores and clocks. Also comes with a decent cooler

i have gtx h110i

[Anas Dweik]

47 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

If you're buying a 2080 Ti, get the 3700X for the extra cores and clocks. Also comes with a decent cooler

 

2 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Well, yes, it's capable enough for a 4core 65w tdp cpu. But noisy and runs hot with an eight core. Recall how it was outperformed by that cheap aliexpress SnowMan? 

 

I would not run 3700x with stock prism cooler... 

i have gtx h110i

[5x5]

6 minutes ago, Anas Dweik said:

i have gtx h110i

Then grab the 3700X nonetheless

 

8 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Well, yes, it's capable enough for a 4core 65w tdp cpu. But noisy and runs hot with an eight core. Recall how it was outperformed by that cheap aliexpress SnowMan? 

 

I would not run 3700x with stock prism cooler... 

What? This isn't the Stealth, this is the Prism. BIG difference, The Prism is also shipped with the 3900X and keeps that cool enough at stock. That's a 12-core part

[Harry Voyager]

Aren't the 3800X binned higher than the 3700X? I notice they've got the highest base clocks of any of the Zen2 chips, and I've heard they're generally able to overclock higher too. 

 

I've been tracking that, as my games are largely CPU limited, and while it looks like most of them are finally img multi-thread,it looks like they either too out at four threads (Il-2 GB, DCS), or are dependent on a single fast thread (P3D). 

 

That said, I'm playing flight sims which typically have complex custom physics engines and wicked AI problems, so my use case is not especially normal.

 

(Not normal as in, an I9-9900 and an RTX 2080TI apparently doesn't have enough horse power to drive a Valve Index more than 70fps... https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/53810-valve-index-144hz-144fps/ Overkill, meet the the Il-2. Hope your chompers are in good order. )

[maroammar]

 

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[Vejnemojnen]

5 hours ago, 5x5 said:

What? This isn't the Stealth, this is the Prism. BIG difference, The Prism is also shipped with the 3900X and keeps that cool enough at stock. That's a 12-core part

Have you read my comment?

"I would not run 3700x with stock prism cooler... "

 

Yes, that was the Prism which performed worse than the 15USD Snowman.. Techspot had this review:

the ultra cheap gammaxx200t outperformed the prism. Even with lower noise levels.

 

And here's the Snowman, for ~17 usd shipped to your door.

 

 

The Prism is great, for a 65w four-core cpu. I would not use it with 8cores.. And it's loud.  

[5x5]

15 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Have you read my comment?

"I would not run 3700x with stock prism cooler... "

 

Yes, that was the Prism which performed worse than the 15USD Snowman.. Techspot had this review:

the ultra cheap gammaxx200t outperformed the prism. Even with lower noise levels.

 

And here's the Snowman, for ~17 usd shipped to your door.

 

 

The Prism is great, for a 65w four-core cpu. I would not use it with 8cores.. And it's loud.  

We have one in the office -it's certainly not loud and, as you linked, keeps the overclocked 2600 CPU at 51*C max. It comfortably handles the stock 3900X and even the 3700X with a slight tweak. The fact that the Prism achieves these results with such a low profile only highlights how much wasted space the Gammaxx has.

[Spook161]

So, I'm going to re-ask this question,  via this thread, because the dynamic of the 3800x vs 3700x has shifted slightly.   A) newer bios which should take better advantage of the 3800x, and B) Now (at least at MC), I'm only seeing a $30 price difference between the two chips.

 

AMD with their buggy early bios may have killed their own sales of 3800x.     But it looks like I'm much more likely to get a 4.2ghz chip with a 3800x

 

Now, is the 3800x a more viable option?     basically a better binned 3700x.

 

[Princess Luna]

If you are getting a 2080 Ti id argue in favor of the 9700K / 9700KF / 9900KF / 9900K for gaming since even at 1440p the Ryzen 9 3900X might fail to push every last frame the 2080 Ti os up to.

 

The R7 3700X and R5 3600 games about the same...

[accolade]

If you are going AMD, I'd recommend Ryzen 7 3800X,  the higher clock will definitely bring out performance of a RTX 2080 Ti. 

 

I would not get a Ryzen 7 3700X, it's a nice CPU as I have one, but the higher clock speed of the 3800X will ensure there's not any chance of your CPU bottle necking the GPU.

 

I would not go Ryzen 9, unless you really want to spend the extra dough.  The extra cores will not help as it's clocks speed not core count that matters as far as achieving GPU dependency.

[Mathieu9836]

What games are you playing, you don't need a 2080ti to play fortnite or apex legends, the 2070 Super and 1080ti are what a consider very good GPU for 98% of the gamers out there and the 3600 can handle those two GPUs hands down.

[Anas Dweik]

On 10/24/2019 at 6:41 PM, Princess Luna said:

If you are getting a 2080 Ti id argue in favor of the 9700K / 9700KF / 9900KF / 9900K for gaming since even at 1440p the Ryzen 9 3900X might fail to push every last frame the 2080 Ti os up to.

 

The R7 3700X and R5 3600 games about the same...

how 3900x might fail ? how? that doesn't make sense , the 3900x is better than 9700k how the 9700k gonna push it all the way while 3900x might not ?

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Anas Dweik said:

, the 3900x is better than 9700k

Better at what? there is no processor that is universally better than the other at everything. Choose the correct hardware for your software.

4 minutes ago, Anas Dweik said:

how the 9700k gonna push it all the way while 3900x might not ?

The i7 9700K is far more often than not ahead the R9 3900X in gaming, there's really no 'magic' going on here... games prefer Intel's Ring Bus among other things.

AC Origins:

 

Shadow of the Tomb Raider:

 

Hitman 2:

 

Do I have to go on?

[Dedayog]

3 minutes ago, Anas Dweik said:

how 3900x might fail ? how? that doesn't make sense , the 3900x is better than 9700k how the 9700k gonna push it all the way while 3900x might not ?

9700K is a better gaming CPU than the 3900X.  The 3900X won't achieve the last few fps that a 9700K or 9900K will.

 

The point is that if you're just gaming and buy a 2080Ti, you buy a 9900K.  Best and best.  Done.

[Anas Dweik]

14 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

9700K is a better gaming CPU than the 3900X.  The 3900X won't achieve the last few fps that a 9700K or 9900K will.

 

The point is that if you're just gaming and buy a 2080Ti, you buy a 9900K.  Best and best.  Done.

i might have the budget for 9700k but not 9900k ,