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Honestly, plz halp 2019 upgrade from 2014

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Posted · Original PosterOP

After three days of freezes, horrible head racking and turmoil. I think my 2014 i7 4790k has kicked the bucket. 

 

I've been real happy even today with a 4790k, 1070gtx setup. I just do 1080 144hz.

 

Seems a combo of my mobo and CPU began failing, huge spikes 5 minute freezes.. days of troubleshooting, diagnostics of all forms.. bios edits.. etc. Discerned it wasn't drives, memory or GPU as with integrated graphics the issue persisted. Voltages, temps are fine.. just huge "iamadedboy" cpu spikes. Now it barely boots, 5 days ago it was as good as ever:

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So, from what it seems these are my current parts I want to put into a new build: 

  • 1070 gtx card
  • 5 Sata ssd's (Samsung ofc)
  • My old beat to crud coolermaster k350 atx case where i tape my ssd's snugly.
  • Coolermaster silent pro 2 1000w psu (original 2014, should I replace? Probably.)

My budget is $1000 Canadian rupples and I have looked at two ways of going about this with my old man knowledge from 2014: 

 

  1. Intel 9700k w\ noctuah 15d cooler ($600 amazon, cheapest I can find.)
  2. Aorus wifi pro mobo (I run on wifi atm with fibre. I assume this new format of wifi has some form of benefit to me.)
  3. Some g skill 3200mhz 2x8 dimms

We with this path are basically at just shy of 1000. And I am probably really overdoing it here with the 1070.

 

2. I was looking into doing A 3700x ryzen build but at this moment a 3700x is 40$ more and the mobos I have looked at make this break the $1000 CAD broke budget with everything.

 

So it seems my budget just isnt exactly getting me with my knowledge -- where i would like.

 

And the truth is, for a 1080p setup, I think I'm bottlenecking with the 1070 with either the 9700k or the 3700x and need serious help with figuring this out with my budget.

 

I got a case i oughta replace and junk heap and a power supply from 2014 with a 1070 I paid 600$ for on release... please help? 

 

We're going straight 1080p, some occasional davinci resolve renders. 

 

Can i spend $1000 or less and have the same -- if not slightly better performance? I'm willing to hear any advice in this situation as my choices  all seem to break the budget.

 

Also, I take it 2x16gb hyperx ddr3 and my psu are about as useful or resellable as the pocket lint in my pockets. Let alone a mobo from 2014 with a few broken usb's. 

 

I'm on my phone man. My galaxy s8. Sitting here with my dead computer, a blank TV and a blank monitor. Please send the internet build emergency squad.

 

It is a sad, sad day. Plz halp.

 

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, SupaKomputa said:

yeah... unlike 2014, in 2019 they buy ryzen.

I'm open to either platform... the equivelant just seems to cost more in my vancouver region... honestly I'm probably looking at needing to get

 

CPU

Mobo

Ram

Cooler (but i could probably use my current arctic cooler.)

PSU (possibly? Idk. Probably?)

Case (probably but mah budget.)

 

For 1000 cad with the idea of it working around the 1070 I have and gaining ddr4.

I just wanted some answers to this. 

 

I'm all for ryzen. Built a ryzen build for my bud when the 2700x's rolled out.

 

The 3700x + mobo is just more expensive for me in my region... but I guess I dont need to be going so CPU intensive?

 

I really just have no idea where we are here in 2019.

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Raymond TSM said:

I was looking into doing A 3700x ryzen build but at this moment a 3700x is 40$ more and the mobos I have looked at make this break the $1000 CAD broke budget with everything.

The 3700X is more like a 9900K, to compare to the 9700K (or the 8700K if you match cores/threads), look to the 3600. After that, an affordable board like the B450 Pro4 from ASRock and the free boot kit from AMD, or a motherboard that supports BIOS flashing without the CPU, will get the job done and then some.

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $264.50 @ Vuugo
Motherboard MSI B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $104.99 @ Canada Computers
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $369.49
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-20 00:24 EDT-0400  

 


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

EVGA G3 threadSeasonic Focus threadUserbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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If you are going for 9700k then you can go for a slower RAM (3000Mhz as opposed to 3600Mhz on ryzen)


Specs: Motherboard: Asus X470-PLUS TUF gaming (Yes I know it's poor but I wasn't informed) RAM: Corsair VENGEANCE® LPX DDR4 3200Mhz CL16-18-18-36 2x8GB

            CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X @ 4.2Ghz          Case: Antec P8     PSU: G.Storm GS850                        Cooler: Antec K240 with two Noctura Industrial PPC 3000 PWM

            Drives: Samsung 970 EVO plus 250GB, Micron 1100 2TB, Seagate ST4000DM000/1F2168 GPU: EVGA RTX 2080 ti Black edition @ 2Ghz

                                                                                                                             

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Which motherboard is expensive? You don't have to buy x570 ro run 3700x. You can buy the cheaper B450.

For 1070, those CPU won't bottleneck, the 1070 will run at it optimal performance (roughly 100-120 fps at 1080p).

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Just now, SupaKomputa said:

Which motherboard is expensive? You don't have to buy x570 ro run 3700x. You can buy the cheaper B450.

For 1070, those CPU won't bottleneck, the 1070 will run at it optimal performance (roughly 100-120 fps at 1080p).

There are 570 boards at the $150 price point.  That is not expensive.

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Just now, KarathKasun said:

There are 570 boards at the $150 price point.  That is not expensive.

Yes, i'm puzzled with his statement. Intel + mobo usually cost more compared to equivalent amd.

I'm just pointing that 570 is not required for 3rd gen, if he found that 150$ was expensive, there are cheaper alternative.

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38 minutes ago, Raymond TSM said:

I've been real happy even today with a 4790k, 1070gtx setup. I just do 1080 144hz.

did you try reinstalling OS? 


i7-8700k @ 4.8Ghz | EVGA CLC 280mm | Aorus Z370 Gaming 5 | 16GB G-Skill DDR4-3000 C15 | EVGA RTX 2080 | Corsair RM650x | NZXT S340 Elite | Zowie XL2730 

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Thanks to everybody posting, yes I tried reinstalling OS. There is definitively something wrong with the CPU. I can't even boot it anymore.

 

On the topic of 3xxx working on b450. I have done research for the last 6 hrs. I am a little afraid of 3600mhz memory perhaps not working on those boards? 

Also, I believe most of these b450 and x470's require a USB flash to a new bios version to even post?

 

I thoroughly looked through x470 boards and just could not for the life of me see why you would get a x470 when the x570 are essentially the same price.

 

And I dug through pretty much everything I could specifically through amazon (will need to do some price checking.) 

 

And I have almost got this below 1k. I threw the psu in simply because at this point I wanna just prevent this entire failure from happening again for another 5 years if possible.

 

Still in comparison, this x570 is basically the cheapest with integrated wifi, cheaper than most of the x470 wifi boards while still seemingly being alright with a decent vrm. 

 

I would go with a cheaper 450 board, but I fear the bios update, I fear the lack of 3600mhz ram support and I fear instability as I had some experience with the early b450's.

 

What I got thus far:

  • Msi performance gaming wifi (292.61)
  • 3700x (483.30)
  • 16gb corsair vengeance rgb 3600 mhz (137.99)
  • Seasonic psu 650w ($140.98)

At base before taxes we are at 1050 and some change. 

I gotta shave roughly $130 off this

 

  • I'm thinking get ram elsewhere and get a non rgb set (save 40)
  • potentially get a b450 based on what you all say, bios update?, 3600mhz ram? I really like the idea of onboard wifi atm tho.
  • Potentially shave the psu a bit, but the thermaltake psu reviews were pretty YIKES in the price range.

I know I could just build a 2600,2700x build and just be happy... maybe I really should just do that? At 1080p I can probably rest easy. 

Previous mentions of bottlenecking was towards "if I have a 1070 only at 1080p, would I really notice the difference between a 2700 and a 3700?" 1459379566_Screenshot_20190920-002535_SamsungInternet.thumb.jpg.198fd577a8d1ba8990811cde0fb54146.jpg

 

Newegg is about 20% more expensive across the entire selection with shipping. And most of these build sites are all linked to their shop api's in America.

 

 

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And that was my day of research and thoughts. I am not sure how to feel.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Ended up BREAKING my budget and just ponying up the rupples. Nobody really suggested a build or an idea so I just went ham and researched for days the features I wanted and really sat back and thought about it and this is what i decided on:
 

  • AMD RYZEN 7 3700X 
  • G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600mhz (Non RGB, went for the solid red for a white/red build with a bit of RGB.)
  • MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI Gaming MOBO (I know I DIDN'T NEED the X570 and did research and DID find some Mobo's of the 470 and 350 sets that would have worked. But I feel like I got a good price on it and the VRM is decent enough for my needs with dual extension wifi built-in. Put some bigger atennaes on it and my wifi is crazy awesome now. Also I am interested in the PCIE 4 m.2's that are blazing fast.)
  • Seasonic FOCUS series SSR-750FM 750W 80 + Gold PSU (Got a good price on it, sort of an annoying PSU as i've never had a PSU with a HARDWIRED PCIE for the GPU but it's also a smaller sized one and allowed me some extra cable room. I went for the 750 because the 550 / 650 was literally a savings of about $25, and headroom isn't ever a bad thing.)
  • DIYPC D480-W-RGB White (A bit of a janky half plastic half metal case. Again tho, got a good price and I was amazed what $60 gets you with it. RGB fans "cheap basic rgb fans" mind you but with a cheap but effective little RGB 4pin/5pin controller that IS aura sync/msi mystic compatible so you can add extra fans and extra rgb's without a direct mobo pin. Sizable case, decent front I/O. It's all a little cheap, but I was surprised at how spacious and open the design was, wasn't hard to build.)

    Even if the Fans and RGB die in a few months, still feel like it was a pretty decent buy. 


This all came to a grand total of Total Amount:$1,225.38 with tax from newegg. It came by UPS and they literally left it at a UPS access point that was the equivalent to a Crackhead Quicky mart, but surprisingly no DOA components thus far. Keeping the boxes and everything for a few weeks just to make double sure.

Don't think I did too bad as it was only a few hundred over my budget and was a total make-over. 1070 I had went in, all the drivers and etc got done. Stock cooler (Wraith) is pretty decent actually but I did have an issue with the bracket and smudged a bit of the stock paste so i'm getting idles of about 40C -- little hotter than I would expect. 

And so I'm blowing the budget a bit more and ordering the following that I feel like I require to "Fully complete" the build:
 

  • Tripp Lite 1200LC Power Conditioner (Because screw the power and I move a lot so It's probably gonna be a good safety measure. All my equipment (Monitor, etc.) should only have a MAX load of about 600w I have calculated, and that's using everythings max wattages. Should be plenty of headroom.)
  • a hyper 212 RGB black edition CPU cooler
  • Extra fan for exaust of CPU cooler
  • 4 4pin fan extensions to cleanup my horrendously short cables.
  • a 1x4pin 1x3pin Y splitter to connect the second fan to the CPU header. Made sure that the 3 pin only gets the RPM of the 4pin and did not send data on both fans, which would lead to bad RPM readings.
  • Artic silver AS5 TIM. Cause cmon'.

Grand total of this second order is gonna be about $280.00
- $160 for the Conditioner (That's just a me thing.)

So we're sitting at a full price of about $1345 and if we add the 1070's current value if I were to get one new, around $1700.00 for this build in Canadian Rupees.

Could I of really really penny pinched? Yeah, coulda saved $100 on the MOBO, probably a bit on the PSU if I went for something more jank and yes, I defninitely skimped on the case but it's working better than my previous Coolermaster case I bought for $200 6 years ago. I plan on sinking another $300, $400 into a PCIE 4.0 m.2 ssd in a few months and use some of the full features of a x570 mobo. 

Also decided on x570 for a bit of "Future Proofing" based on AMD's layout and seeing how even old 350 boards can run the new ryzen I am assuming I can maybe get another generation or two out of it. For online ordering this time of year, I feel like the money was pretty well utilized and spent outside the MOBO and PSU, but we're probably only talking about $150 of "dumbmoney". 

The Wifi has been fantastic thus far, I am getting almost double the normal speeds I would previously with a standard PCIE network card and single antenna.
Gonna get that stuff near the end of the week, take it apart and fix my wrong doings with the cable management as well as I can. But I am satisfied. Thoughts?

Maybe somebody out there who was in a similar jam can find a good place to start with what I've provided. Not totally skimpy, Not totally fullonout on the wallet. It's a medium. But seriously, unless your gonna do the PCIE 4.0 or you want to do some crazy OC's and need the extra 4pin CPU power. I think a 470 would be a better spend of money.

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1 hour ago, Raymond TSM said:

Ended up BREAKING my budget and just ponying up the rupples. Nobody really suggested a build or an idea so I just went ham and researched for days the features I wanted and really sat back and thought about it and this is what i decided on:
 

  • AMD RYZEN 7 3700X 
  • G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600mhz (Non RGB, went for the solid red for a white/red build with a bit of RGB.)
  • MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI Gaming MOBO (I know I DIDN'T NEED the X570 and did research and DID find some Mobo's of the 470 and 350 sets that would have worked. But I feel like I got a good price on it and the VRM is decent enough for my needs with dual extension wifi built-in. Put some bigger atennaes on it and my wifi is crazy awesome now. Also I am interested in the PCIE 4 m.2's that are blazing fast.)
  • Seasonic FOCUS series SSR-750FM 750W 80 + Gold PSU (Got a good price on it, sort of an annoying PSU as i've never had a PSU with a HARDWIRED PCIE for the GPU but it's also a smaller sized one and allowed me some extra cable room. I went for the 750 because the 550 / 650 was literally a savings of about $25, and headroom isn't ever a bad thing.)
  • DIYPC D480-W-RGB White (A bit of a janky half plastic half metal case. Again tho, got a good price and I was amazed what $60 gets you with it. RGB fans "cheap basic rgb fans" mind you but with a cheap but effective little RGB 4pin/5pin controller that IS aura sync/msi mystic compatible so you can add extra fans and extra rgb's without a direct mobo pin. Sizable case, decent front I/O. It's all a little cheap, but I was surprised at how spacious and open the design was, wasn't hard to build.)

    Even if the Fans and RGB die in a few months, still feel like it was a pretty decent buy. 


This all came to a grand total of Total Amount:$1,225.38 with tax from newegg. It came by UPS and they literally left it at a UPS access point that was the equivalent to a Crackhead Quicky mart, but surprisingly no DOA components thus far. Keeping the boxes and everything for a few weeks just to make double sure.

Don't think I did too bad as it was only a few hundred over my budget and was a total make-over. 1070 I had went in, all the drivers and etc got done. Stock cooler (Wraith) is pretty decent actually but I did have an issue with the bracket and smudged a bit of the stock paste so i'm getting idles of about 40C -- little hotter than I would expect. 

And so I'm blowing the budget a bit more and ordering the following that I feel like I require to "Fully complete" the build:
 

  • Tripp Lite 1200LC Power Conditioner (Because screw the power and I move a lot so It's probably gonna be a good safety measure. All my equipment (Monitor, etc.) should only have a MAX load of about 600w I have calculated, and that's using everythings max wattages. Should be plenty of headroom.)
  • a hyper 212 RGB black edition CPU cooler
  • Extra fan for exaust of CPU cooler
  • 4 4pin fan extensions to cleanup my horrendously short cables.
  • a 1x4pin 1x3pin Y splitter to connect the second fan to the CPU header. Made sure that the 3 pin only gets the RPM of the 4pin and did not send data on both fans, which would lead to bad RPM readings.
  • Artic silver AS5 TIM. Cause cmon'.

Grand total of this second order is gonna be about $280.00
- $160 for the Conditioner (That's just a me thing.)

So we're sitting at a full price of about $1345 and if we add the 1070's current value if I were to get one new, around $1700.00 for this build in Canadian Rupees.

Could I of really really penny pinched? Yeah, coulda saved $100 on the MOBO, probably a bit on the PSU if I went for something more jank and yes, I defninitely skimped on the case but it's working better than my previous Coolermaster case I bought for $200 6 years ago. I plan on sinking another $300, $400 into a PCIE 4.0 m.2 ssd in a few months and use some of the full features of a x570 mobo. 

Also decided on x570 for a bit of "Future Proofing" based on AMD's layout and seeing how even old 350 boards can run the new ryzen I am assuming I can maybe get another generation or two out of it. For online ordering this time of year, I feel like the money was pretty well utilized and spent outside the MOBO and PSU, but we're probably only talking about $150 of "dumbmoney". 

The Wifi has been fantastic thus far, I am getting almost double the normal speeds I would previously with a standard PCIE network card and single antenna.
Gonna get that stuff near the end of the week, take it apart and fix my wrong doings with the cable management as well as I can. But I am satisfied. Thoughts?

Maybe somebody out there who was in a similar jam can find a good place to start with what I've provided. Not totally skimpy, Not totally fullonout on the wallet. It's a medium. But seriously, unless your gonna do the PCIE 4.0 or you want to do some crazy OC's and need the extra 4pin CPU power. I think a 470 would be a better spend of money.

No, a reasonable X570 is a better way to spend money.  Asus makes one for $150 USD.  You can add WiFi for $30 USD.  Unless usd/cad rates are even worse, that is still cheaper than what you bought.

 

$200 CAD X570 board

https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813144263?Item=N82E16813144263

 

Video breaking down the board, which is the same as the MPG.

 

$25 CAD PCIe AC1200 WiFi

https://www.newegg.ca/asus-pce-ac55bt-b1-pci-express/p/N82E16833320348?Item=N82E16833320348&Description=wifi&cm_re=wifi-_-33-320-348-_-Product

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Posted · Original PosterOP
51 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

No, a reasonable X570 is a better way to spend money.  Asus makes one for $150 USD.  You can add WiFi for $30 USD.  Unless usd/cad rates are even worse, that is still cheaper than what you bought.

 

$200 CAD X570 board

https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813144263?Item=N82E16813144263

 

Video breaking down the board, which is the same as the MPG.

 

$25 CAD PCIe AC1200 WiFi

https://www.newegg.ca/asus-pce-ac55bt-b1-pci-express/p/N82E16833320348?Item=N82E16833320348&Description=wifi&cm_re=wifi-_-33-320-348-_-Product


I looked it up and what I paid and with a PCIE wifi card we are only looking at a difference of about $60 odd bucks. Although I do agree and take back what I said. Also of note tho, I forgot to exclude about $80 off that total figure for express shipping. (But let's face it, everybody pays for express shipping in a CPU failure situation.)

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