i7 9700k vs i5 9400f - Who Wins in gaming?

[JaySDelta]

I know many are going to say "its a easy" question.

 

From some benchmarks just for gaming, I saw that i5 9400F has only less 5 to 10 frames. Is it even possible? 

The test was using a RTX 2080. 

 

Whats the downside, whats the catch here? How can a more then half priced CPU almost be in the same league as a i7 (ONLY GAMING) at 1080p?!

[Fasauceome]

at base clocks in the vast majority of games will perform the same, the clock speed increase is not super significant and most games aren't going to leverage more than 4 cores.

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, JaySDelta said:

Whats the downside, whats the catch here? How can a more then half priced CPU almost be in the same league as a i7 (ONLY GAMING) at 1080p?!

Because it lacks 2 cores. And the fact that certain games can leverage all those threads lead to stuttering issues with certain games and CPUs without HT at below 8 cores. 

 

9400f isnt the go-to choice. Its either 2600 or a 3600. And the 9700k is kinda questionable with the lack of HT aswell.

[JaySDelta]

7 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

at base clocks in the vast majority of games will perform the same, the clock speed increase is not super significant and most games aren't going to leverage more than 4 cores.

I´m saying that because the store that I buy stuff made a review and they are honest when they do reviews

Link: 

 

 

U may dont understand what he says, they are using a RTX 2080

They told me "why" I waste money on a i7 if the i5 9400F does the same ingame!

 

 

4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Because it lacks 2 cores. And the fact that certain games can leverage all those threads lead to stuttering issues with certain games and CPUs without HT at below 8 cores. 

 

9400f isnt the go-to choice. Its either 2600 or a 3600. And the 9700k is kinda questionable with the lack of HT aswell.

Yes that was my concern, because some games "have shutter" but I know a guy he paired to his GTX 1080Ti and not even Far Cry 5 has shutter. HOW CAN that be true?!  

[Mister Woof]

When not GPU limited, there's usually a pretty significant difference between 6 cores at 3.9ghz vs 6 cores at 5ghz, even if the game is coded like shit. Or especially if the game is coded like shit.

[JaySDelta]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

When not GPU limited, there's usually a pretty significant difference between 6 cores at 3.9ghz vs 6 cores at 5ghz, even if the game is coded like shit. Or especially if the game is coded like shit.

Can u explain it better plz? I wanna understand.

 

Just found out that a friend of mine has a i5 9500F with a RTX 2080 Super that costed less then my i7 9700K at 5.0GHz with a RTX 2070 Super and has sometimes better frames

 

HOWWWWWWWWWWWW  

[Tristerin]

Because a 2070 super is less than a 2080 super.  So the 2080 super is putting out more frames.  Because you aren't dealing with a CPU bound issue, in that specific whatever it is they are talking about. 

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, JaySDelta said:

Can u explain it better plz? I wanna understand.

 

Just found out that a friend of mine has a i5 9500F with a RTX 2080 Super that costed less then my i7 9700K at 5.0GHz with a RTX 2070 Super and has sometimes better frames

 

HOWWWWWWWWWWWW  

I don't know about that video, it shows the 9900k giving worse performance at CSGO than the 9400f. Maybe that one has the 95w limit strictly enforced, who knows.

 

What I can tell you is that at stock speeds, the 9700k is 8 cores at 4.6ghz all-core, vs. the 9400f is only 3.9ghz all-core.

 

Theres other variables too that can explain the differences, settings, your GPU, places in the game, etc.

[Tristerin]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

I don't know about that video, it shows the 9900k giving worse performance at CSGO than the 9400f. Maybe that one has the 95w limit strictly enforced, who knows.

 

What I can tell you is that at stock speeds, the 9700k is 8 cores at 4.6ghz all-core, vs. the 9400f is only 3.9ghz all-core.

 

Theres other variables too that can explain the differences, settings, your GPU, places in the game, etc.

Its more simple than that - they aren't CPU bound in whatever title they are talking about, and he has an inferior card to his friend, so his friends superior card will pull ahead easily.  Its supposed to lol

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Tristerin said:

Its more simple than that - they aren't CPU bound in whatever title they are talking about, and he has an inferior card to his friend, so his friends superior card will pull ahead easily.  Its supposed to lol

yeah, but if you watch the video he linked the 9900 is worse than the 9400f both with a 2080 - seems weird. the 95w limit could explain it.

[Tristerin]

OP - CPU builds frame times.  If the frame time built, is more than enough for the GPU to render, it will render at 100% usage.  If both of these CPUs are allowing the GPUs to run at 100% usage - your 2070 super will always lose to a 2080 super if the CPU is not interfering.  

[Tristerin]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

yeah, but if you watch the video he linked the 9900 is worse than the 9400f both with a 2080 - seems weird. the 95w limit could explain it.

Ahhhhhh I didn't watch the video sorry - is weird, possibly a Operator error.

[JaySDelta]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

Because a 2070 super is less than a 2080 super.  So the 2080 super is putting out more frames.  Because you aren't dealing with a CPU bound issue, in that specific whatever it is they are talking about. 

So in this case, most games, his i5 9500F (sorry, it isn´t a 9400F) paired with the 2080 Super is normal to have more performance then I have with my i7 9700K with a RTX 2070 Super at 1080p? He says he don´t see any shutter or anything, its fluid. Is he saying the truth?

 

I feel bad because he payed 200€ less then I did  

In the video they are saying if u are a gamer "only" then u should consider the i5, otherwise AMD is allover the best choose for the price but again only if u are not ONLY gamer.

 

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

I don't know about that video, it shows the 9900k giving worse performance at CSGO than the 9400f. Maybe that one has the 95w limit strictly enforced, who knows.

 

What I can tell you is that at stock speeds, the 9700k is 8 cores at 4.6ghz all-core, vs. the 9400f is only 3.9ghz all-core.

 

Theres other variables too that can explain the differences, settings, your GPU, places in the game, etc.

So u are saying that  he has a i5 9500F sorry about that against my i7 9700K that he has more fps but maybe not stable?!

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Tristerin said:

OP - CPU builds frame times.  If the frame time built, is more than enough for the GPU to render, it will render at 100% usage.  If both of these CPUs are allowing the GPUs to run at 100% usage - your 2070 super will always lose to a 2080 super if the CPU is not interfering.  

Piggybacking off this, i did SoTTR benchamrks and with a 5ghz OC on my 8700k vs stock (4.3ghz) there was a significant number of CPU frames difference, even though the actual FPS was the same.

 

OP - if the GPU in my scenario was unlimited performance, it would be limited by whatever the CPU was limited to.

[Tristerin]

No, he has more frames, because NEITHER cpu is the issue here.  Until you come across a coded title where the CPU is an issue - he will always beat you with a TWENTY EIGHTY versus a TWENTY SEVENTY.

[JaySDelta]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

Piggybacking off this, i did SoTTR benchamrks and with a 5ghz OC on my 8700k vs stock (4.3ghz) there was a significant number of CPU frames difference, even though the actual FPS was the same.

 

OP - if the GPU in my scenario was unlimited performance, it would be limited by whatever the CPU was limited to.

Yes that makes sense.

But again, is it possible (video) and my friend having overall better gaming (Frames) then I have with a less GPU but a better CPU? 

BTW ur CPU is still considered the best, even against a 9700K!

[Mister Woof]

3 minutes ago, JaySDelta said:

So in this case, most games, his i5 9500F (sorry, it isn´t a 9400F) paired with the 2080 Super is normal to have more performance then I have with my i7 9700K with a RTX 2070 Super at 1080p? He says he don´t see any shutter or anything, its fluid. Is he saying the truth?

 

I feel bad because he payed 200€ less then I did  

In the video they are saying if u are a gamer "only" then u should consider the i5, otherwise AMD is allover the best choose for the price but again only if u are not ONLY gamer.

 

So u are saying that  he has a i5 9500F sorry about that against my i7 9700K that he has more fps but maybe not stable?!

1 - yeah, depending on the game. If the game is a CPU bound game (WoW for example) your 9700k will stomp his to the ground in minimum FPS; won't matter if you're using the 2070 super or the 2080 (neither is flexed to its fullest in WoW when it matters). If its a GPU bound game, the better GPU is going to win as long as the CPU is "good enough"

 

2 - everything else equal and unlimited (GPU, settings, etc) your 9700k will be faster in every single scenario than his 9400f.

[JaySDelta]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

No, he has more frames, because NEITHER cpu is the issue here.  Until you come across a coded title where the CPU is an issue - he will always beat you with a TWENTY EIGHTY versus a TWENTY SEVENTY.

So he isn´t dumb? Or better, he made a good buy in this case right? 

Not that I didn´t but again, since im a damn gamer only maybe I should have gonna the same way not?!

[Mister Woof]

Just now, JaySDelta said:

So he isn´t dumb? Or better, he made a good buy in this case right? 

Not that I didn´t but again, since im a damn gamer only maybe I should have gonna the same way not?!

I mean, neither of these choices were "terrible" and being dumb is subjective.....

 

 

[JaySDelta]

1 minute ago, Plutosaurus said:

1 - yeah, depending on the game. If the game is a CPU bound game (WoW for example) your 9700k will stomp his to the ground in minimum FPS; won't matter if you're using the 2070 super or the 2080 (neither is flexed to its fullest in WoW when it matters)

 

2 - everything else equal and unlimited (GPU, settings, etc) your 9700k will be faster in every single scenario than his 9400f.

Damn i´M SLOW  SORRY 

 

So, games like GTA V, BF series, even COD series, he will play better then me (more frames) or is he hidding that he may have FPS drops or shutter? Just trying to make sense of it.

 

He plays alote Hitman and he played the new Ghost Recon and said it played about 80 FPS...  its a damn 190€ vs 380€ but again, GPU is more expensive.... he could go for a 9600K but he didnt want to OC it!

[Tristerin]

Just now, JaySDelta said:

So he isn´t dumb? Or better, he made a good buy in this case right? 

Not that I didn´t but again, since im a damn gamer only maybe I should have gonna the same way not?!

Depends what you are after.  As a gamer Id rather have the i7 any day if its in my budget.  What titles are you even talking about?  If its something that wont fully utilize either of your CPUs you will always lose the frames war (because your GPU is not as good as his).  But the moment you jump into a CPU intensive game, say something that will use more than 6 cores - you will build more frametime than his CPU.  However he still has a better GPU so it will still make SOME of that ground up.

 

What he saved on CPU he spent on GPU.  What you saved on GPU you spent on CPU.  Long term your CPU (imho) is a much much better choice.

[JaySDelta]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

I mean, neither of these choices were "terrible" and being dumb is subjective.....

 

 

So, he was indeed smart. 

Im more future proof in this case right?

[Mister Woof]

Just now, JaySDelta said:

Damn i´M SLOW  SORRY 

 

So, games like GTA V, BF series, even COD series, he will play better then me (more frames) or is he hidding that he may have FPS drops or shutter? Just trying to make sense of it.

 

He plays alote Hitman and he played the new Ghost Recon and said it played about 80 FPS...  its a damn 190€ vs 380€ but again, GPU is more expensive.... he could go for a 9600K but he didnt want to OC it!

I wouldn't worry so much about how many FPS he's getting. I'd worry about how many FPS you're getting and if you are happy with it.

 

You'll have people with almost identical systems with different results. Lots of variables and you could go nuts measuring each other's members.

 

Just game on, bro.

[JaySDelta]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

Depends what you are after.  As a gamer Id rather have the i7 any day if its in my budget.  What titles are you even talking about?  If its something that wont fully utilize either of your CPUs you will always lose the frames war (because your GPU is not as good as his).  But the moment you jump into a CPU intensive game, say something that will use more than 6 cores - you will build more frametime than his CPU.  However he still has a better GPU so it will still make SOME of that ground up.

 

What he saved on CPU he spent on GPU.  What you saved on GPU you spent on CPU.  Long term your CPU (imho) is a much much better choice.

He plays (and so do I) alote GTA V, BF4, BF1, BF5, maybe the new COD, Ghost Recon, Hitman and other AAA singleplayer.

 

He got more then 20 to 30 frames then I do, sometimes even more   not that Im not playing good but Im trying to understand why. Yes u guys make me clear, most games still need 6 cores so whatever he does, he is fine, but in future I gona win since I have 8 cores and future proof. 

[JaySDelta]

1 minute ago, Plutosaurus said:

I wouldn't worry so much about how many FPS he's getting. I'd worry about how many FPS you're getting and if you are happy with it.

 

You'll have people with almost identical systems with different results. Lots of variables and you could go nuts measuring each other's members.

 

Just game on, bro.

True true.

 

Now to be clear, I just wanted to make more sense of the history and ye well, maybe to clear my mind, both of us made good investment, in short therm he is better but in future Im better.... well hehe he had to choose that CPU because he had a case called (well something small, not the EVO version, something similar.... 

 

Anyways I´m happy but sad that he spended less and has better performance  anyways life is that haha!

 

THANK YOU for explaining me that