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i7 9700k vs i7 9700f

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Posted · Original PosterOP

current specs;

i5 8400

asrock z370 pro 4

rtx 2070

g skill 2666mhz (2993) 16gb

antec gold 650w gold rated

pixio 1440p 144hz monitor

 

I have a slight issue with my monitor, whenever my frame rate drops below 60 I get a little stutter. It's a bit annoying and I want to fix it.

I can't decide if OC is worth it just because at 1440p it's more gpu bound than cpu bound. I'm not aiming for stable 144 frames on 1440p anything between 80-100 is fine for me.

My rig is mostly for gaming and some light streaming.

For the i7 9700k I need a new mobo and an expensive cooler.

so is the 9700k worth it? future proof? or should I just get the 9700f and save up for the next gen gpu?

I get atleast 15,000 yen(150usd) of spending money each month so.

 

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you could check whether you're CPU bound or GPU bound by monitoring CPU per core and GPU usages.


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Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Disable G-sync in Nvidia control panel:

 

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CPU: Intel i7 9700K@5.2GHz 1.361V | Motherboard: Asus Maximus XI Hero | RAM: G.Skill 2x8 3200 CL14 (B-Die) | PSU: EVGA SuperNova 750 G3 | 

Mon: Samsung 27CHG70 27" 144Hz Freesync GPU: EVGA 1080ti SC Black Edition | Sound: Odac + Fiio E09K | 

Case: Fractal Design R6 TG Blackout | Storage: Corsair MP510 960gb Cooling: CPU: Kraken X62 - GPU: Kraken X42 - both with Noctua NF-A14's |

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12 minutes ago, Joe-G said:

I have a slight issue with my monitor, whenever my frame rate drops below 60 I get a little stutter. It's a bit annoying and I want to fix it.

What games do you experience this issue? Like stated above have you checked to see if your i5 is reach full load.

 

Also validate your memory configuration with CPU-z if it's running dual channel correctly and you said you OC'd from 2666mhz to 2993mhz, make sure your timings are good.


Workstation Rig:
CPU:  Intel Core i9 9900K @5.0ghz  |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 |~|  MOBO: Asus Z390M ROG Maximus XI GENE |~| RAM: 32gb 3333mhz CL15 G.Skill Trident Z RGB |~| GPU: nVidia TITAN V  |~| PSU: beQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 80Plus Platinum  |~| Boot: Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2X4TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Iron Wolf + 2X2TB SSD SanDisk Ultra |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Acer Predator X34 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
 
Personal Use Rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


HTPC / "Console of the house":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
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4 minutes ago, DoctorNick said:

Disable G-sync in Nvidia control panel:

Uh why? His fps is just low it's natural that it would feel stuttering on the mid 50's when you're used to 144hz, FreeSync/G-Sync window may not even reach that low further harming his smoothness sensation.

 

I don't think this is his issue personally and in fact disabling adaptive sync might make matters worse.


Workstation Rig:
CPU:  Intel Core i9 9900K @5.0ghz  |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 |~|  MOBO: Asus Z390M ROG Maximus XI GENE |~| RAM: 32gb 3333mhz CL15 G.Skill Trident Z RGB |~| GPU: nVidia TITAN V  |~| PSU: beQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 80Plus Platinum  |~| Boot: Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2X4TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Iron Wolf + 2X2TB SSD SanDisk Ultra |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Acer Predator X34 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
 
Personal Use Rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


HTPC / "Console of the house":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
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2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Uh why? His fps is just low it's natural that it would feel stuttering on the mid 50's when you're used to 144hz, FreeSync/G-Sync window may not even reach that low further harming his smoothness sensation.

 

I don't think this is his issue personally and in fact disabling adaptive sync might make matters worse.

Becuase some games. Also would he be CPU bottlenecked at 1440p? Try it!


CPU: Intel i7 9700K@5.2GHz 1.361V | Motherboard: Asus Maximus XI Hero | RAM: G.Skill 2x8 3200 CL14 (B-Die) | PSU: EVGA SuperNova 750 G3 | 

Mon: Samsung 27CHG70 27" 144Hz Freesync GPU: EVGA 1080ti SC Black Edition | Sound: Odac + Fiio E09K | 

Case: Fractal Design R6 TG Blackout | Storage: Corsair MP510 960gb Cooling: CPU: Kraken X62 - GPU: Kraken X42 - both with Noctua NF-A14's |

Ryzen rig for LAN/Backup

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3 minutes ago, DoctorNick said:

Becuase some games. Also would he be CPU bottlenecked at 1440p? Try it!

That's not a very good explanation and yes some games will be CPU limited even at 1440p although it depends on plenty of things like the game settings and such... the RTX 2070 might also just be struggling on some AAA if he's trying to Ultra everything.


Workstation Rig:
CPU:  Intel Core i9 9900K @5.0ghz  |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 |~|  MOBO: Asus Z390M ROG Maximus XI GENE |~| RAM: 32gb 3333mhz CL15 G.Skill Trident Z RGB |~| GPU: nVidia TITAN V  |~| PSU: beQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 80Plus Platinum  |~| Boot: Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2X4TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Iron Wolf + 2X2TB SSD SanDisk Ultra |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Acer Predator X34 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
 
Personal Use Rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


HTPC / "Console of the house":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
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2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

That's not a very good explanation and yes some games will be CPU limited even at 1440p although it depends on plenty of things like the game settings and such... the RTX 2070 might also just be struggling on some AAA if he's trying to Ultra everything.

I see your point and yes exactly. But we didn't get so much info. So i'm guessing. Also some games don't run great in G-sync compatible mode and he got a Pixio display... But yes of course a 9700k is faster.


CPU: Intel i7 9700K@5.2GHz 1.361V | Motherboard: Asus Maximus XI Hero | RAM: G.Skill 2x8 3200 CL14 (B-Die) | PSU: EVGA SuperNova 750 G3 | 

Mon: Samsung 27CHG70 27" 144Hz Freesync GPU: EVGA 1080ti SC Black Edition | Sound: Odac + Fiio E09K | 

Case: Fractal Design R6 TG Blackout | Storage: Corsair MP510 960gb Cooling: CPU: Kraken X62 - GPU: Kraken X42 - both with Noctua NF-A14's |

Ryzen rig for LAN/Backup

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55 minutes ago, Joe-G said:

My rig is mostly for gaming and some light streaming.

For the i7 9700k I need a new mobo and an expensive cooler.

so is the 9700k worth it? future proof? or should I just get the 9700f and save up for the next gen gpu?

I get atleast 15,000 yen(150usd) of spending money each month so.

 

You could get a 9700k/9900k with your current motherboard and maybe get a Dark Rock 4 Pro - see how it works out 

You need to BIOS update https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z370 Pro4/index.asp#BIOS


CPU: Intel i7 9700K@5.2GHz 1.361V | Motherboard: Asus Maximus XI Hero | RAM: G.Skill 2x8 3200 CL14 (B-Die) | PSU: EVGA SuperNova 750 G3 | 

Mon: Samsung 27CHG70 27" 144Hz Freesync GPU: EVGA 1080ti SC Black Edition | Sound: Odac + Fiio E09K | 

Case: Fractal Design R6 TG Blackout | Storage: Corsair MP510 960gb Cooling: CPU: Kraken X62 - GPU: Kraken X42 - both with Noctua NF-A14's |

Ryzen rig for LAN/Backup

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Posted · Original PosterOP
15 hours ago, DoctorNick said:

You could get a 9700k/9900k with your current motherboard and maybe get a Dark Rock 4 Pro - see how it works out 

You need to BIOS update https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z370 Pro4/index.asp#BIOS

My mobo is already 9th gen capable when I got it, says so in the box. I changed my mind and maybe get a locked i9 instead and not worry about anything in the next 4 years(?). Any suggestion for a cpu cooler for the locked i9? Be quiet is too expensive here.

16 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

What games do you experience this issue? Like stated above have you checked to see if your i5 is reach full load.

 

Also validate your memory configuration with CPU-z if it's running dual channel correctly and you said you OC'd from 2666mhz to 2993mhz, make sure your timings are good.

Facepalm on this one cause I just used the xmp(?)profile. I'll check on it when I get home.

 

AC oddysey, my monitor is freesync capable and I'm just using the nvidia g-sync driver. I just need it to stay above 60fps.

So I'm planning to get the locked i9 instead so I won't have to buy a new mobo.

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6 hours ago, Joe-G said:

So I'm planning to get the locked i9 instead so I won't have to buy a new mobo

Well the i9 9900KF ia often discounted to the 419$ margin and if not that the locked i9 9900 is 429$

 

If you want to upgrade for CPU demanding games I'd highly suggest the i9 since you also get HT and more cache while you can still clock it at 4.74ghz all cores with bclk.

 

It will give you a greater longevity, the 9700 already can get Max out on games like Odyssey so that upgrade could work now but you may be limiting yourself for future games.


Workstation Rig:
CPU:  Intel Core i9 9900K @5.0ghz  |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 |~|  MOBO: Asus Z390M ROG Maximus XI GENE |~| RAM: 32gb 3333mhz CL15 G.Skill Trident Z RGB |~| GPU: nVidia TITAN V  |~| PSU: beQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 80Plus Platinum  |~| Boot: Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2X4TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Iron Wolf + 2X2TB SSD SanDisk Ultra |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Acer Predator X34 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
 
Personal Use Rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


HTPC / "Console of the house":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
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