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“Everything as a service” is coming—but we’re not there quite yet

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A few weeks ago I posted a news about "subscription fatigue", and now... welll seems that "subscription as the norm" is almost there...

Or so they say on Ars Technica

 

 

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“Everything as a service” is coming—but we’re not there quite yet

Getting there—if it's really what we want—means solving a few still-unsolved problems.

For the past decade, information technology and cloud computing vendors have increasingly pushed the virtualization and abstraction of every possible part of IT infrastructure further and further, turning what used to be things you bought and paid for into services that you subscribe to. First there was software as a service, and then compute and infrastructure as a service, then platforms as a service, and now even storage and databases as a service. The "private cloud" brought the same models into enterprise data centers. And the "hybrid cloud" blew the data center walls out and mixed everything together. But managing each decoupled element of this brave new world of randomly distributed infrastructure has become increasingly complex. Arguably, it hasn't really changed the business of running enterprise IT as much as it has made things complex in new ways.

But what if there was an "as a service" to fix that, too?

Today's leading edge of enterprise IT pushes further toward automated deployment of everything from bare-metal servers to "containerized" workloads, juggling the networking and storage and system-management support through one portal or another, even internally, and cloud providers have started to drop not-so-little outposts of their infrastructure into their biggest customers' data centers. Even the definition of "cloud" versus "on-premises" has gotten foggy, thanks to such private cloud options as Microsoft's Azure Stack and Google's Anthos that let enterprise clients move cloud resources back into local data centers.

It's tempting to believe that all of these could be put behind one Web portal that makes everything just a service that can be managed like cloud instances—scaled up and down on demand with a monthly bill (or charge-back). So cloud providers and major enterprise IT vendors are starting to try to shape this vision to their particular strengths—and some vendors may actually succeed.

 

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Source: ArsTechnica

 

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41 minutes ago, justpoet said:

If I can't buy it and keep the data on it to myself, I'm not interested.  Privacy matters.

 

Yes, I know I'm the minority, which is sad.

Not totally :)

 


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The best way to think on this is... How can companies get the most amount of data about you (and your data) to sell and leverage as marketing?

 

That's where were going.  

 

We're already leasing software, no longer buying hardware but leasing it with agreements.  It's on its way to corporations owning everything and all you can do is press I agree or never be born.

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Or you can just use open source.


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Yea nah, i doubt you will be able to get everything as a service eventually (some things are just not compatible with the service idea).

 

And these days companies offer subscriptions ONLY, so no surprise when some companies say "hey look a lot of them went for our subscriptions", well yea no shit sherlock when you don't offer an alternative. I'm looking at you adobe (and afaik office too soon, office 2019 according to microsoft is the last full release they will do)


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I am very against subscription stuff.

I will even pay more to not have it.

 

I have spent less money on games the last two years than I would have if it was a subscription. I am not a person that plays lots of 15 hours games only, quite a bit of games(ofc not close to all) I play at least 80+ hours.


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Yeah fuck no. Why does everything need to be like that huh. Especially how some try to go subscription based only. 

The only subscription I'll ever have is for WoW funny enough. 

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1 minute ago, Arika S said:

wont be a thing until the rest of the world has better internet.

the South Korean International Internet Bandwidth Treaty 🤔

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I have a lot of problems. But heres the 3 off the top of my head

  1. I use linux. with subscription stuff I can't run wine and such services to play the games.
  2. privacy
  3. offline singleplayer games. I have had a number of times the internet failed and these have bean lifesavers.

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Isnt this just an opinion piece?


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7 hours ago, Evanair said:

We're already leasing software, no longer buying hardware but leasing it with agreements

What's this "We" shit?  You may have, others have spelled out why they'll never do so for the last 10 years.

7 hours ago, samcool55 said:

office 2019 according to microsoft is the last full release they will do

Therefore the last MS Office which should be purchased.

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All economic trends hit an end. "Everything is a service" right until the moment the economy goes sideways a bit. Then everything falls apart.

 

Service-based systems are extremely fragile. I'd highly recommend reading up on "Anti-Fragility". It might save your bacon.

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GTFO.... :dry:  No way in hell im gonna waste my money on sub based stuff that doesnt have a very good reason to use that model.

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2 hours ago, MoonSpot said:

What's this "We" shit?  You may have, others have spelled out why they'll never do so for the last 10 years.

Therefore the last MS Office which should be purchased.

Do you use Windows? How about an Android phone? Or an iPhone? Or own a smart TV? How about any games or software?

 

All of these are leases. Every single one. 

 

Want to write something bad about Microsoft? Well, under the EULA in word (not sure if it's still there, it was years ago) you cannot talk bad about them using their software or you violate their license and cannot use their software.

 

Do you own a Tesla? You might think you do, but you don't. You own the body, but the tech and the software on it are leases.  Modify your car at all, services shut down and you can no longer do anything with it but drive it and basic charge it.

 

It's not a stretch to see how paying for extra services is the future. Micro transactions for features, with monthly upkeep. Tesla could easily do this with their car, for GPS radio, etc.

 

 

Continued Licenses are the way of the future because companies can milk as much money from you, collect information from you, and cut you off it they don't like what you're doing, saying or anything for that matter.

 

The day you can convince corporations to give away money for free is the day this changes.

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2 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Service-based systems are extremely fragile. I'd highly recommend reading up on "Anti-Fragility". It might save your bacon.

Apple (et. al)'s x-thousand pieces/steps supply chains are going to be in for one hell of a fragility stress test in the next 2-5 years 🍿.

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11 hours ago, justpoet said:

If I can't buy it and keep the data on it to myself, I'm not interested.  Privacy matters.

 

Yes, I know I'm the minority, which is sad.

If you aren't an expert, good luck in securing the data. 
I'm not saying that data leaks don't happen on AWS/Azure/GCP but privacy/security are harder to do than you think. 

 

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Made the right choice sticking with age old hardware and vista.

None of this nonsense applies to me.


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Made the right choice sticking with age old hardware and vista.

None of this nonsense applies to me.


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The 10 commandments of the modern tech support forum:

-Do not use the "home" edition of any OS and then complain you cant do something OS related.

-Do not update Windows 10 if it functions normally at the time.

-For the love of god dont update Nvidia drivers beyond 10 versions past release, if it doesnt work normally by then its just screwed. If you keep going its going to eventually perform worse than it did before.

-Always update AMD drivers as for some reason they are the polar opposite and cant get their drivers to work on release but they work great 5 years later.

-Do not download any Antivirus software, Windows Defender is adequate at keeping you from being stupid, other than that you only need Common Sense 2006 edition.

-Google your problems first, the helpful people on tech support forums are just people who know how to use google.

-Dont discuss irrelevancies on tech support forums, an answer to OP's question must be the first line of your first reply to a thread, follow it with whatever.

-Dont use any software that claims to fix registry errors.

-There are more brands out there than Corsair and EVGA, at least try and be original.

-Read your own posts before you post them.

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It'll be interesting to see what happens when most people don't have jobs, and as such, there's less money to go around for these "services."

It's a really good way to cut out and kind of competition. Eventually you'd just have one company big enough to sustain losses while they undercut everyone else, and then jack up the prices when the rest of the competition ceases to exist.


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37 minutes ago, Evanair said:

Do you use Windows? How about an Android phone? Or an iPhone? Or own a smart TV? How about any games or software?

 

All of these are leases. Every single one. 

 

Want to write something bad about Microsoft? Well, under the EULA in word (not sure if it's still there, it was years ago) you cannot talk bad about them using their software or you violate their license and cannot use their software.

 

Do you own a Tesla? You might think you do, but you don't. You own the body, but the tech and the software on it are leases.  Modify your car at all, services shut down and you can no longer do anything with it but drive it and basic charge it.

 

Licenses are the way of the future because companies can milk as much money from you, collect information from you, and cut you off it they don't like what you're doing, saying or anything for that matter.

 

The day you can convince corporations to give away money for free is the day this changes.

Oh, I think see.  You are either under the impression that companies make the laws of the land, or are in a part of the world where that is true.  That is not the case where I am, not yet anyways.

I do own several versions of windows among other OS'.  I neither have an android based, nor an iphone for my cell.  I have a couple good TVs that do not have an open door to the internet embedded(AKA 'smartTV').  Any time I buy software, I buy physical.  I've also got an update repository on my NAS for when they're updated where I maintain several versions of several programs.  As for games I buy physical when I can, and tend not to buy/play the title at all when I cannot get an actual physical copy.

 

You list a point for not buying a tesla; so why would you?  Any new car is among the worst investments anyone can make in the first place, never-mind one you're not allowed to repair on your own or source alternative repair solutions, less costly or otherwise.

 

When you participate in licenses, you give them the ability to pretend to have such powers as you describe.  However, as long as you keep your money in your pocket; it is you who has power over them.  The day you let those companies convince you to give them your money, and house your media/assets in their cloud, was the day you lost both your data and money.  Now, you're only trying to drag others down with you instead of cutting things off and starting over.

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I understand that eventually (unless something remarkable shows up) everything will go to a Subscription service. As this keeps customer retention and allows control over the end product. We can look at early adopters like EA where you can pay for a subscription for their games. If you stop paying you lose all the access to the games (as far as I know). If they decide to no longer support BF5 then BAM you no longer have that game. They would have control over if you can mod any of their games. This to me is a deterrent as I like to own games. 

This can be done for pretty much anything. There are already ways to order groceries where you pay a fee and they deliver you the perfect amount of food for your order and they choose meal plans for you. 

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