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“Everything as a service” is coming—but we’re not there quite yet

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15 hours ago, floofer said:

I read the entire article I still don't know what the news is sorry 

Cloud service, as a service?

 

All I know is that I want the person responsible for coining the phrase "The Cloud" to be shot.

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2 hours ago, Andreas Lilja said:

Not sure I'm following you, streaming is like $120 a year while buying an album is like $12-15. Quality is also pretty high, don't see a  difference with my 320kbps .mp3s. 

 

Which particular bit?  I hear a difference between the average spotify/youtube stream and cd's.  It's night and day. 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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15 hours ago, Arika S said:

wont be a thing until the rest of the world has better internet.

You say rest as in some place has fast internet all over. I would be hard pressed to find a single country that has internet access to every citizen.

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4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Which particular bit?  I hear a difference between the average spotify/youtube stream and cd's.  It's night and day. 

They do sound close enough to the same when you've got bad speakers and or bad headphones/earbuds.

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5 minutes ago, MoonSpot said:

They do sound close enough to the same when you've got bad speakers and or bad headphones/earbuds.

I'll accept they are perfectly fine on a bus, in a shopping center anywhere where you just want to have some music while things go on, but for me in my studio or at my PC I may as well dig out my cassettes for the quality. 

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1 hour ago, Trik'Stari said:

Cloud service, as a service?

 

All I know is that I want the person responsible for coining the phrase "The Cloud" to be shot.

Please. 

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1 hour ago, mr moose said:

Which particular bit?  I hear a difference between the average spotify/youtube stream and cd's.  It's night and day. 

Spotify sound quality (even the normal one but especially Spotify high quality) is night and day compared to YouTube. I hope you don't think Spotify and YouTube sound the same, because they don't at all.... Spotify is way better.

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Am I... Am I reading the original article incorrectly? Or has everybody that has posted thus far done so instead?

 

I'm not going to say I understand the article in depth, I've only recently gotten into learning AWS... but everyone here seems to be talking about a completely different topic than the one posted.

if you have to insist you think for yourself, i'm not going to believe you.

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4 hours ago, RyomaSJibenG said:

i hate subscription service

i was one of those people who's not creative but wants to buy adobe photoshop to play around as i have some interest in graphic design, but nope its subscription service and i'm not gonna pay continuously for some hobby that i really lack.....though i heard affinity designer pretty good these days, anybody using that?

 

i hate game subscription

this one can go f*** itself

If you wanna mess around with graphics design on the cheap get serif draw plus, it's what affinity designer replaced and can be had for 20 dollars or so. 

 

It is outdated, but it gets the job done.

 

Then if you like it, go ahead and upgrade to the full affinity deal

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2 hours ago, Mihle said:

Spotify sound quality (even the normal one but especially Spotify high quality) is night and day compared to YouTube. I hope you don't think Spotify and YouTube sound the same, because they don't at all.... Spotify is way better.

No, I am not that stupid.

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On 9/11/2019 at 1:01 AM, justpoet said:

If I can't buy it and keep the data on it to myself, I'm not interested.  Privacy matters.

 

Yes, I know I'm the minority, which is sad.

 

I'm with you on this.  In fact, I don't have the means to do so now (or the place to set up the equipment), but someday I would like to take the concept even farther.  Build my OWN server, on which I host my OWN data that's normally in the cloud (for example anything of mine that's on Google, Facebook, wherever else).  This server would sit in my OWN house, using my OWN internet connection (one that's not "watchdogged" by some ISP), I would do my OWN maintenance on the server, *I* would decide what happens with my data, and so on and so forth.


Yes, I will of course have to interact with other sites / services, but MY data STAYS with ME.  I would only share what is necessary as long as necessary.  I might even go so far as to have the contents of my various forum posts around the internet hosted on MY server; the forum server would basically pull my post off my server, and I may consider letting them make a backup of my content.  (I of course would want to have an air-gapped backup of my entire server, on a 2nd server that doesn't even have any LAN ports.  (Backups might be done, for example, by physically disconnecting the main server from the network, plugging the storage media directly into the motherboard or SAS cards on the backup server, and copying the data.)

 

14 hours ago, MoonSpot said:

Any time I buy software, I buy physical.  I've also got an update repository on my NAS for when they're updated where I maintain several versions of several programs.  As for games I buy physical when I can, and tend not to buy/play the title at all when I cannot get an actual physical copy.

 

The day you let those companies convince you to give them your money, and house your media/assets in their cloud, was the day you lost both your data and money.

 

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10 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Cloud service, as a service?

 

All I know is that I want the person responsible for coining the phrase "The Cloud" to be shot.

But I keep being told that it will solve all of our problems and integrating everything into an all new environment for many users is very simple...says someone in upper management who went to a Google conference once.

 

 

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This while thing is just some dude rambling on and on about "service, and the cloud" and it's a opinion piece.

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1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

This while thing is just some dude rambling on and on about "service, and the cloud" and it's a opinion piece.

For real, the dude is just talking about cloud replacing more and more infrastructure for enterprises, I legitimately have no clue where this discussion of subscriptions and privacy came from. It's an opinion piece about something nobody in this thread has grasped.

if you have to insist you think for yourself, i'm not going to believe you.

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some things work with a subscription system some things dont. i hate subscriptions for stuff like adobe creative cloud just let me have the option to get the software without cloud and make it a one time purchase

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8 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

This while thing is just some dude rambling on and on about "service, and the cloud" and it's a opinion piece.

 

6 hours ago, Suika said:

For real, the dude is just talking about cloud replacing more and more infrastructure for enterprises, I legitimately have no clue where this discussion of subscriptions and privacy came from. It's an opinion piece about something nobody in this thread has grasped.

 

Nearly every article you read about tech and consumer software services is an opinion piece because they all rely on a personal definition of what the consumer law is and how the tech is used.

 

The reason these discussions take off and go in all directions is a combination of those differences in understanding of product/service/consumer law and the fact that we genuinely have little power to control this market, so a certain amount of fear drives the discussion into all sorts of places.

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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6 hours ago, Suika said:

For real, the dude is just talking about cloud replacing more and more infrastructure for enterprises, I legitimately have no clue where this discussion of subscriptions and privacy came from. It's an opinion piece about something nobody in this thread has grasped.

It seems the author of the article is trying to tie cloud and subscription together, but subscription has nothing to do with the cloud. A person can have a subscription service for Adobe CC where they pay a monthly fee, but they don't have cloud storage, they save their work on their own computer.

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5 minutes ago, mr moose said:

 

 

Nearly every article you read about tech and consumer software services is an opinion piece because they all rely on a personal definition of what the consumer law is and how the tech is used.

 

The reason these discussions take off and go in all directions is a combination of those differences in understanding of product/service/consumer law and the fact that we genuinely have little power to control this market, so a certain amount of fear drives the discussion into all sorts of places.

If Microsoft let's say release a press release their next release of Windows OS will be subscription based then it's news. But if a person writes about Microsoft going subscription based while Microsoft themselves mentions nothing about it, then it's an opinion piece.
The author is trying to tied "everything as a service" with "Cloud", which I can't seem to see any connections between them.

For me I don't like subscription base service is because of cost. I don't use the program often, so why do I have to pay a monthly fee for it.

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1 minute ago, NumLock21 said:

If Microsoft let's say release a press release their next release of Windows OS will be subscription based then it's news. But if a person writes about Microsoft going subscription based while Microsoft themselves mentions nothing about it, then it's an opinion piece.
The author is trying to tied "everything as a service" with "Cloud", which I can't seem to see any connections between them.

I think the idea being proposed is that companies or facilities resort back to the old mainframe style of system using the cloud as the mainframe and all the onsite network infrastructure becomes simply an internet sharing connection to client ends and nothing more.  This way IT departments don't manage software licenses, storage, domain handling or even to a degree security.  It is all done by the cloud service provider.

 

Again that is based on the opinion of the author that such a system is viable.  If MS offer a service like this (which they could) then you are right that would be news, but all the articles surrounding it that infer a particular outcome or motive will be largely opinions pieces based on their own concepts of what it all means.

 

 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

It seems the author of the article is trying to tie cloud and subscription together, but subscription has nothing to do with the cloud. A person can have a subscription service for Adobe CC where they pay a monthly fee, but they don't have cloud storage, they save their work on their own computer.

Do they, though? I didn't sit through the entire thing because it's a bit of a dull read, but it seemed more like a discussion about the general direction in IT recently being the excessive (and sometimes unnecessary) transition of physical infrastructure in enterprises to cloud services like AWS or Azure, and the problems that are following. I didn't really see anything talking about consumer software and their move to subscription based services, this all seems to be talk about enterprise.

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

Nearly every article you read about tech and consumer software services is an opinion piece because they all rely on a personal definition of what the consumer law is and how the tech is used.

My problem isn't so much that it's an opinion piece, it's that the discussion being had in this thread is about consumer software services and privacy concerns. That's not what the article is about. As I mentioned above, it seems more about enterprises shifting physical infrastructure to the cloud. The first reply mentioning user privacy absolutely startled me, for example, when the user complained about it being a major concern. If the user were fully aware of what the article is discussing and was still being honest (as well as all of those "agrees"), then they're insinuating that they'd trust Joe Schmo's infrastructure and security over Amazon or Microsoft's. I don't, personally, especially since I've watched Amazon close public S3 buckets that responsible companies didn't bother to acknowledge as a problem.

if you have to insist you think for yourself, i'm not going to believe you.

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2 hours ago, Suika said:

 

My problem isn't so much that it's an opinion piece, it's that the discussion being had in this thread is about consumer software services and privacy concerns.

That's because surprisingly few of us on this forum have any real commercial IT experience.  Most of our fears and discussions are going to center around the consumer side.

 

2 hours ago, Suika said:

That's not what the article is about. As I mentioned above, it seems more about enterprises shifting physical infrastructure to the cloud. The first reply mentioning user privacy absolutely startled me, for example, when the user complained about it being a major concern. If the user were fully aware of what the article is discussing and was still being honest (as well as all of those "agrees"), then they're insinuating that they'd trust Joe Schmo's infrastructure and security over Amazon or Microsoft's. I don't, personally, especially since I've watched Amazon close public S3 buckets that responsible companies didn't bother to acknowledge as a problem.

 

About the only way I can see privacy being an issue in cloud related services for business is in the fact that the cloud operators have access to anything not user encrypted in the cloud.   I.E there are instances where MS staff may access user data to investigate an issue with their services (it's in their ToS).  I assume the same is with amazon and google.   But you are still right, it is different to consumer side privacy concerns. 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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3 hours ago, mr moose said:

That's because surprisingly few of us on this forum have any real commercial IT experience.  Most of our fears and discussions are going to center around the consumer side.

I can expect that, but what I'd expect more of is users trying to give the article the slightest amount of time in the day to understand that this thread isn't applicable to the discussions they've put forward. The most reasonable comment I've seen was somebody admitting they didn't understand the article at all, and leaving it at that.

3 hours ago, mr moose said:

About the only way I can see privacy being an issue in cloud related services for business is in the fact that the cloud operators have access to anything not user encrypted in the cloud.   I.E there are instances where MS staff may access user data to investigate an issue with their services (it's in their ToS).  I assume the same is with amazon and google.   But you are still right, it is different to consumer side privacy concerns. 

The way I see it is if the company isn't responsible enough to encrypt user information in the cloud, and leave their data public, they're not going to configure their own infrastructure any better. Between the option of personal infrastructure and the cloud is that at least the cloud providers can shut down companies that are irresponsible with user data, but as a whole, companies still need to take user privacy and security much more seriously than we've been seeing.

if you have to insist you think for yourself, i'm not going to believe you.

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1 hour ago, Suika said:

 

The way I see it is if the company isn't responsible enough to encrypt user information in the cloud, and leave their data public, they're not going to configure their own infrastructure any better. Between the option of personal infrastructure and the cloud is that at least the cloud providers can shut down companies that are irresponsible with user data, but as a whole, companies still need to take user privacy and security much more seriously than we've been seeing.

Agree, especially with last bit.

Maybe most do encrypt, we know though that there is least a good percentage who don't and companies like apple and MS still have access to all cloud stored consumer data.   The whole thing isn't quite as cut and dried as the conversation would lead us to believe. 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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