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Threadripper coming: split for low and high end, 8 channel memory

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According to a leak, allegedly from an exclusive source for Gamers Nexus, Threadripper is splitting into a low end (if you can call a threadripper processor "low end") and high end.

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what we've learned is that there's going to be a split. So there's a workstation and HEDT threadripper line of CPUs, there's a schism between them, and the core count and thread count, in these documents, were not revealed, the documents are intended for people like motherboard manufacturers to decide their thermal design, thermal solutions for motherboards, things like that, so it's information you'd need for heatsink design.

The document specifies two different CPU classes, sTRX4 and sWRX8, for amount of memory channels afforded to each.

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What I find interesting is that the document says the sWRX8 is not overclockable. While I can see an overclockable chip of possible 64 cores or more being a huge power problem, Der8auer has been pushing the EPYC OC angle for quite some time, I'd have thought AMD would come around. As for what socket these may have, I would be surprised if the sWRX8 used the TR4 socket, but up to 32 cores is still expected for next gen on current X399 boards.

 

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I'm positive it will use TR4 because all of the EPYC CPUs were drop in upgrades and just needed firmware updates

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I'm positive it will use TR4 because all of the EPYC CPUs were drop in upgrades and just needed firmware updates

kind of makes me wonder about motherboard segmentation then, with new boards having 8 channel with a TR4 socket. Maybe it'll operate a la Kaby lake X and make half the dimm slots inactive?

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I would see the "no oc" in the same bucket with workstation features, going for "stability", certifications for various programs like cad design etc etc

Yeah, there's load reduced ram but it's only one memory stick per channel ... artificial limitations so people still buy epyc i guess.

Gonna be interesting to see 96 pci-e 4.0 lanes ... guess motherboards are gonna have loads of repeaters and signal amplifiers.

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Isn't Eypc basically highend Threadrippers or is AMD planning on introducing Threadripper at the same level as Eypc.

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Isn't Eypc basically highend Threadrippers

I believe that's the case.

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22 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Isn't Eypc basically highend Threadrippers

No. Epyc is a server offering. Threadripper is just an HEDT counterpart based off of the same basic MCM design and modifying the socket.

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29 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Isn't Eypc basically highend Threadrippers or is AMD planning on introducing Threadripper at the same level as Eypc.

It's effectively the same but the market segment allows for much more feature rich motherboards. Consumer spaces are likely to see some of those features with this new release

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On 9/9/2019 at 12:03 PM, NumLock21 said:

Isn't Eypc basically highend Threadrippers or is AMD planning on introducing Threadripper at the same level as Eypc.

Servers don't need audio I/O or HDMI/DP (most have VGA) and often only have 2 or 3 USB ports etc. While they are just EPYC CPUs with higher TDP for workstation class clocks certain features are likely to be disabled, areas like VM encryption keys.

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What even is the reason to buy low-end EPYC at this point then?

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1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

No. Epyc is a server offering. Threadripper is just an HEDT counterpart based off of the same basic MCM design and modifying the socket.

Epyc is true server offering, but with Threadripper getting similar features than Epyc (I don't remember what they are), where does Eypc belong

1 hour ago, Fasauceome said:

It's effectively the same but the market segment allows for much more feature rich motherboards. Consumer spaces are likely to see some of those features with this new release

I'm sure the consumer segment will see new features that comes with it.

50 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Servers don't need audio I/O or HDMI/DP (most have VGA) and often only have 2 or 2 USB ports etc. While they are just EPYC CPUs with higher TDP for workstation class clocks certain features are likely to be disabled, areas like VM encryption keys.

I seen SuperMicro makes server boards that have feature rich I/O. I'm not taking about their consumer line up, it's their actual workstation/server line up.

8 minutes ago, williamcll said:

What even is the reason to buy low-end EPYC at this point then?

For its Epyc name!

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37 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

I seen SuperMicro makes server boards that have feature rich I/O. I'm not taking about their consumer line up, it's their actual workstation/server line up.

Supermicro often makes a workstation variant but are still using the server chipset so the additional workstation niceties are often delivered by extra chipsets added to the board. It's much more 'elegant' to have a proper workstation chipset with these capabilities in it so less chips and 3rd party drivers required. It also lowers the cost which is nothing to complain about.

 

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Also Intel has a large lineup of single socket Xeons on a different socket and chipset that have the extra I/O inbuilt. The dual socket workstations are still the higher end Xeons on the same chipset that require those extra things I mentioned but what AMD is doing is the same as the Intel Xeons on socket H4 (1151)/R4 (2066) etc.

 

LGA3647: https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X11SPA-TF

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  • Extra USB form additional chipsets
  • Audio from another additional chipset

LGA2066 (C422): https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X11SRA

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Ignore the extra chips, the chipset itself has way more USB and HDA (realtek chip still required but does less work).

 

LGA2066 (X299): https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/C9X299-PGF

  • VGA not HDMI/DP
  • No RDIMM and LRDIMM
  • It's X299 so we all pretty much know the rest

LGA1151 (C246): https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X11SCA

  • 128GB ECC UDIMM, no RDIMM or LRDIMM
  • Z390 but with ECC and a few other sprinkles

 

Intel workstations are a mess of hodgepodge different chipsets, sockets, feature support. Basically it's a complete mess compared to what AMD are proposing.

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1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

Epyc is true server offering, but with Threadripper getting similar features than Epyc (I don't remember what they are), where does Eypc belong

EPYC will still belong in servers.

Octochannel Threadripper is limited to 1 DIMM per channel (2TB RAM cap, instead of 4), will likely be clocked higher (higher TDP and power draw), only support single socket, and likely missing security features in Epyc.

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@leadeater  Somehow, AMD is the one to finally make a dedicated space for these parts that makes sense. Though I think it's also a sign that the Rome I/O die has really good yields, so AMD has a space to put the fully functional but maybe not as low-power parts. 

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2 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

for something different, i'm going to list down my fears for TR3K instead of my hopes:

  • only 2 CPUs backwards compatible with X399
  • by that extension, completely new systems would be needed for TR3K
  • asrock decides mATX on sTRX4 isn't worth it
  • sWRX8 and applicable CPUs might be server vendor only
  • only the lower half of the TR3K lineup (fewer than 48 cores) will have the sTRX4 variant

price is probably par for course for these HEDT/HPC CPUs, so that factor is probably not worth the consideration

Considering the way Epyc is supported, I'm going to assume the 4ch parts will work in X399, but AMD has never said they'd support the socket beyond the X399 parts. But the W8 motherboards might be SI only.

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6 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Considering the way Epyc is supported, I'm going to assume the 4ch parts will work in X399, but AMD has never said they'd support the socket beyond the X399 parts. But the W8 motherboards might be SI only.

Supermicro will still sell you a W8 board if you want one, but for most of us here not that likely. There's only so much cool factor 64 cores goes before "F that price is too high" kicks in lol.

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1 minute ago, VegetableStu said:

yeah i don't think AMD was ever clear at that point ._. they mentioned through-2020 support for mainstream ryzen, but nothing definite on TR4 (in any form)

 

i'm definitely holding off any early acquisitions for now. even if it's the single only motherboard out there that would work in my build

Epyc parts will be drop-in, so one can probably assume that X399 boards could be upgraded for Zen2 4ch parts. However, since they'll be moving to a new chipset naming scheme it might not push the motherboard vendors to update the BIOS.

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1 hour ago, VegetableStu said:

asrock decides mATX on sTRX4 isn't worth it

On the other hand, maybe they'll manage an ITX TR4 motherboard, somehow

 

Maybe quantum superposition? The ram and CPU socket occupy the same region of space 

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40 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

What I really want to see is AMD releasing a 64 core and call it the poverty line

Give it 10 years or maybe less.

Since Intel will have to answer to Zen in some shape or form with a new Arch, you can expect both companies going back and forth with high core count + features for years to come.

Lets just hope that a 10 year monopoly like we lived through with Intel will not happen that soon ever again...lack of competition is a killer for innovation.

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My body is ready.

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I'm late to the news. Random thought is that existing X399 mobos wont be able to support 8ch ram due to hardware layout of the traces to ram. A new layout is needed, but not necessarily new chipset. Still, new mobo at least.

 

Anyone dare speculate on timing? When Ian Cutress (Anadtech) pushed Lisa Su at Hot Chips best he got out was she'll talk more this year.

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As excited as I am for the 16 core 4 channel TR, where the fuck is the 3950x??? It's September Lisa, the clock is ticking...

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10 hours ago, VegetableStu said:
    • 4x2c 7262 (you read THAT right

thats a lot of cache per core dam 

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