Navi 21/23 Cards Rumored (aka "Nvidia Killers" xD)

[Results45]

It looks like AMD has stolen the throne from Intel in the consumer CPU market right now (at least for the next few months), but will they succeed in doing so against Nvidia as well?

 

Radeon engineers proudly believe so:

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From DIGITAL TRENDS & NOTEBOOKCHECK:

AMD is working on a card that some internal staffers are calling the “Nvidia Killer.”

 

In short, rumor has it that four upcoming AMD consumer graphics cards ~ assuming the RX 5800, 5800XT, 5900, and 5900XT ~ will sport the following 4 versions of Navi respectively:

• Navi 12 (48 CUs) = around 20% more performance than the RX 5700XT
• Navi 14 (56 CUs) = around 40% more performance than the RX 5700XT
• Navi 21 (84 CUs) = around 2.1x the performance than the RX 5700XT
• Navi 23 (92 CUs) = around 2.3x performance than the RX 5700XT

 

And if the numbers match the predicted performance scaling (.225 TFLOPS/CU FP32 @ 1755Mhz) then.........AMD scores!

• RX 5800 @ 10.8 TFLOPS vs. RTX 2080 SUPER @ 11.15 TFLOPS
• RX 5800XT @ 12.6 TFLOPS vs. RTX 2080TI/2080TI SUPER @ 13.45/14.8 TFLOPS
• RX 5900 @ 18.9 TFLOPS vs. TITAN RTX @ 16.31 TFLOPS
• RX 5900XT @ 20.7 TFLOPS vs. 2 x RTX 2080ti @ 16.81-24.88 TFLOPS (FPS gains of 25%-85%)

 

That is, if they can release these before next year's GTX/RTX family 

 

 

P.S. Please take the numbers above with a meal of salt; they are estimates. Also, I couldn't find an existing thread discussing Navi 21/23 or "Nvidia Killer", but if there is please feel free to lock this one.

[DrMacintosh]

Can we get mobile Navi please? 

[Unixsystem]

Those CU numbers would be super nuts, especially given that it seems their entire strategy is based around smaller dies with fantastic yields (at least on the CPU side). I doubt these are true. 

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But I sure hope they are. 

 

[Franck]

Can they fix their driver and OpenGL issues first. I am dealing with this daily since 2012 and still nothing viable.

[MoonSpot]

37 minutes ago, Results45 said:

but will they succeed in doing so against Nvidia as well?  Radeon engineers proudly believe so:

Fool me once shame on...

Shame on y-you.

...

Fool me ya can't get fooled again.

[DildorTheDecent]

>hyping an AMD GPU

 

Good luck.

[DrMacintosh]

33 minutes ago, Franck said:

OpenGL issues

OpenGL is an architecture limitation. Navi is the best it’s ever been. 

[nick name]

@DrMacintosh  Doesn't the new cheese grater have a double GPU?  Anyone seen specs/performance on that bad boy yet?

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, nick name said:

@DrMacintosh  Doesn't the new cheese grater have a double GPU?  Anyone seen specs/performance on that bad boy yet?

It’s a Vega Pro II Duo. Nobody has them yet as the Mac Pro is still MIA. It might go on sale on September 10th. 

[justpoet]

2 minutes ago, nick name said:

@DrMacintosh  Doesn't the new cheese grater have a double GPU?  Anyone seen specs/performance on that bad boy yet?

It does as an option.  It is a Vega II Duo, so not Navi.

[Beskamir]

I'll believe it when I see it but so far AMD doesn't seem to have a RT or Tensor core equivalent and I doubt they'll have one when these cards come out.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Beskamir said:

I'll believe it when I see it but so far AMD doesn't seem to have a RT or Tensor core equivalent and I doubt they'll have one when these cards come out.

RT cores are completely useless tho. 

[justpoet]

Just now, Beskamir said:

I'll believe it when I see it but so far AMD doesn't seem to have a RT or Tensor core equivalent and I doubt they'll have one when these cards come out.

RT doesn't matter for most folks.  Once you're on the high end, you won't be running RT anyway for 2k or 4k gaming, as you want more fps to make the high refresh rate monitors worth it and have a better experience.  If RTX could run on AAA titles while still pushing 120+fps at 4k, then more people might care.  But until then, it is useless on low end cards and only works well for mid range stuff at 2k when using a high end card.

[Beskamir]

4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

RT cores are completely useless tho. 

I disagree, sure they could use more support (which is slowly getting here) but the stuff that makes use of them is really cool. For instance I can't wait until Blender (Cycles) officially supports it (technically it's already supported but I'd either need to compile it myself or use an alpha version). Also it was pretty nice to use from the programmer side of things too since I could rely on the API to do most of my work for me (so far I've only written a simple cpu ray tracer about 2 years ago and a vulkan ray tracer that used rtx several months ago).

[williamcll]

My guess is that the 5900/XT would be the navi version of the Vega pro duo.

 

Very attractive rumours except that the previous ryzen rumours months ago weren't accurate either.

[Blademaster91]

30 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

 Raytracing is not essential.

Neither is a high end GPU, but like ray tracing it's nice to have in certain games and improves the gaming experience.

As for whether the cards are an "nvidia killer" I'll believe it when I see it,AMD needs to hold back on being cocky until they actually have a high end GPU.

[ApolloFury]

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

RT cores are completely useless tho. 

A few 3D modelling software now uses RT cores, for example in Substance Painter on a GTX 1080 it would take 60 seconds to bake an ambient occlusion map. On the RTX 2060 it will only take 1 second. Blender will use RT cores to accelerate Cycle render. Unreal Engine and Unity will soon follow for lightmap baking / realtime.

 

https://www.substance3d.com/blog/substance-painter-summer-2019

https://code.blender.org/2019/07/accelerating-cycles-using-nvidia-rtx/

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, ApolloFury said:

A few 3D modelling software now uses RT cores, for example in Substance Painter on a GTX 1080 it would take 60 seconds to bake an ambient occlusion map. On the RTX 2060 it will only take 1 second. Blender will use RT cores to accelerate Cycle render. Unreal Engine and Unity will soon follow for lightmap baking / realtime.

 

https://www.substance3d.com/blog/substance-painter-summer-2019

https://code.blender.org/2019/07/accelerating-cycles-using-nvidia-rtx/

 Niche upon niche. 

[ApolloFury]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

 Niche upon niche. 

Substance Painter, Blender, Unreal Engine / Unity are industry standard tools...

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, ApolloFury said:

Substance Painter, Blender, Unreal Engine / Unity are industry standard tools...

Which the vast majority of consumers don’t use. That “industry” isn’t that big. 

[ApolloFury]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Which the vast majority of consumers don’t use. That “industry” isn’t that big. 

The gaming industry is quite big last time I heard. I wonder what tools they used to make those games.

[PlayModeOn]

4 minutes ago, ApolloFury said:

The gaming industry is quite big last time I heard. I wonder what tools they used to make those games.

Yeah GTAV and Red Dead Redemption 2 didn't make that much money at all. Very niche.

[DrMacintosh]

5 minutes ago, ApolloFury said:

The gaming industry is quite big last time I heard. I wonder what tools they used to make those games.

You’ve deliberately misrepresented what I said and have equated game developers with regular consumers. 

[Blademaster91]

47 minutes ago, ApolloFury said:

The gaming industry is quite big last time I heard. I wonder what tools they used to make those games.

Yeah, the game devs use the same GPU's as consumers do, they also have to test those games somehow lol.

People can keep finding reasons as to how they think RT is "useless" or "niche" but when you can use the RT cores to process to process a rendering in a fraction of the time it would take without the RT cores is quite a useful feature IMO. And the funny thing is AMD patented their own ray tracing tech.

[Arika]

Christ, i give Nvidia shit about their naming convention, but AMD's is all up the shit

 

the last few releases we've had

RX5##

Vega 56/64

Radeon VII

5700/5700XT

and now NAVI 21/23