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Posted · Original PosterOP

Some prices are still pending and parts to be released, this is planning for my second build.
Going for a mix of aesthetics and functionality (and a little bit of crazy too)
The case I'm still deciding on, details on the case modding forum.
Pricing in GBP, don't even with Brexit please.

CPU: Ryzen 7 3700X £319
CPU Cooler: Coolermaster ML240p Mirage £140 or Thermalright Le Grand Macho £95 (depending what case I go for)
Motherboard: Asus X570 VIII Impact (I know, I have plans for more distant future involving this mobo) £450 Est
RAM: G.Skill TridentZ Neo 2x8gb 3600mhz £130
Storage: Samsung QVO 2tb £210 (I plan to later get some gen4 M.2's at a later date)
GPU: Asus Tuf Rx 5700 xt 8gb £450 est
PSU: Corsair HX750i (carry over)
Fan: Coolermaster 200m ARGB (feature&personal must) £20 ish, might need controller hub
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Chroma V2 (carry over)
Mouse: Razer Mamba Firefly £250 (currently on a £5 cheep mouse since my last mouse broke)
Monitor1: Iiyama Red Eagle 1440p 144hz 27" £300
Monitor2: Ilyama 4k gold eagle 27" (carry over) 
Open to suggestions for headsets
May possibly save for the Razer Nommu speakers at a later date

Mainly wanting to know if anyone can see bottle necks, or has better suggestions for some of the parts 




 

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4 minutes ago, A. Cole said:

Some prices are still pending and parts to be released, this is planning for my second build.
Going for a mix of aesthetics and functionality (and a little bit of crazy too)
The case I'm still deciding on, details on the case modding forum.
Pricing in GBP, don't even with Brexit please.

CPU: Ryzen 7 3700X

Let's start with deciding some budget for the new parts.


PRIMARY PC

Ryzen 5 2600 - ASRock B450 Pro4 - G.Skill Trident Z (8x2 3000MHz) - Intel 660p Series 512GB - Seagate Barracuda 2TB - MSI GeForce GTX980Ti LIGHTNING - NZXT H500i - Super Flower Leadex ll Gold 650 Watt

 

SECONDARY PC

Xeon X5680 - Asus SABERTOOTH X58 - Crucial (4x2 1333MHz) - Crucial BX500 480GB - MSI RX 570 GAMING X - Cougar MX330 - EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650 Watt

 

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Acer Nitro 5 - 7300HQ - 8GB DDR4 2133MHz - GTX 1050Ti - Intel 600p Series 256GB - Seagate Barracuda TB

 

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7 minutes ago, VEXICUS said:

Let's start with deciding some budget for the new parts.

Sorry sent it before it was finished, all updated now

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6 minutes ago, A. Cole said:

Sorry sent it before it was finished, all updated now

Let grand macho is a massive cooler. What case have u planned? Also what's your overall budget.


PRIMARY PC

Ryzen 5 2600 - ASRock B450 Pro4 - G.Skill Trident Z (8x2 3000MHz) - Intel 660p Series 512GB - Seagate Barracuda 2TB - MSI GeForce GTX980Ti LIGHTNING - NZXT H500i - Super Flower Leadex ll Gold 650 Watt

 

SECONDARY PC

Xeon X5680 - Asus SABERTOOTH X58 - Crucial (4x2 1333MHz) - Crucial BX500 480GB - MSI RX 570 GAMING X - Cougar MX330 - EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650 Watt

 

LAPTOP

Acer Nitro 5 - 7300HQ - 8GB DDR4 2133MHz - GTX 1050Ti - Intel 600p Series 256GB - Seagate Barracuda TB

 

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21 minutes ago, A. Cole said:

Motherboard: Asus X570 VIII Impact

this isn't mini ITX, it's actually the first non OEM, high end mini DTX motherboard in a long time. What case did you have in mind?


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

EVGA G3 thread, BR/BT threadSeasonic Focus thread, S12II/M12II thread, Userbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions

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Posted · Original PosterOP
5 minutes ago, VEXICUS said:

Let grand macho is a massive cooler. What case have u planned? Also what's your overall budget.

budget is still flexible as its a plan for after I mod a case ready for it. but I spent £2500 on my last pc (X99, 6 cores, gtx1060, still holds up) and would be happy to spend around that again for a mini itx build.
The case is between Antec Cube, Phanteks Evolv ITX and the Silverstone LD03 Lucid and would all require modding and customising in some way for funzies and functionality.

all cases should fit the mini-dtx board which is why im just calling it an itx build for convenience cause any ITX board could be substituted

 

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4 minutes ago, A. Cole said:

calling it an itx build for convenience cause any ITX board could be substituted

Except the board's mini-DTX, slightly longer downwards compared to mini-ITX. Basically all mITX cases that are somewhat new dont support it, micro ATX cases do.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Here's my recommendation...

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (£319.99 @ CCL Computers) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 (2018) 57.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£65.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  (£226.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  (£89.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£191.40 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB MECH OC Video Card  (£439.79 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Case: Silverstone SG13 Mini ITX Tower Case  (£39.95 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (£64.97 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1439.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-23 19:15 BST+0100


PRIMARY PC

Ryzen 5 2600 - ASRock B450 Pro4 - G.Skill Trident Z (8x2 3000MHz) - Intel 660p Series 512GB - Seagate Barracuda 2TB - MSI GeForce GTX980Ti LIGHTNING - NZXT H500i - Super Flower Leadex ll Gold 650 Watt

 

SECONDARY PC

Xeon X5680 - Asus SABERTOOTH X58 - Crucial (4x2 1333MHz) - Crucial BX500 480GB - MSI RX 570 GAMING X - Cougar MX330 - EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650 Watt

 

LAPTOP

Acer Nitro 5 - 7300HQ - 8GB DDR4 2133MHz - GTX 1050Ti - Intel 600p Series 256GB - Seagate Barracuda TB

 

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11 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Except the board's mini-DTX, slightly longer downwards compared to mini-ITX. Basically all mITX cases that are somewhat new dont support it, micro ATX cases do.

 

Do you think that mini-ITX cases with two expansion slot openings, (to support dual slot gpu), would accommodate the motherboard?


80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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1 minute ago, brob said:

 

Do you think that mini-ITX cases with two expansion slot openings, (to support dual slot gpu), would accommodate the motherboard?

This is specifically what Asus representatives stated at computex and later press, the DTX board should fit on any case that allows a 2 slot GPU without Riser cable

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53 minutes ago, A. Cole said:

might need controller hub

 

Does the cpu cooler not include a controller?


80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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2 hours ago, brob said:

 

Do you think that mini-ITX cases with two expansion slot openings, (to support dual slot gpu), would accommodate the motherboard?

I refuse to call mITX towers mITX cases, they are so big. No riser not mITX

 

I think you're right, maybe it does fit. Might block stuff like cable management holes though

 

2 hours ago, A. Cole said:

Storage: Samsung QVO 2tb £210 (I plan to later get some gen4 M.2's at a later date)

Arent they priced like Intel 660p or Crucial P1 (both NVMe) but SATA?


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
On 8/23/2019 at 9:39 PM, Jurrunio said:

I refuse to call mITX towers mITX cases, they are so big. No riser not mITX

 

I think you're right, maybe it does fit. Might block stuff like cable management holes though

 

Arent they priced like Intel 660p or Crucial P1 (both NVMe) but SATA?

Yeah i will need to be careful with cable management, but here's hoping those right angle front IO connectors on the Asus DTX board are useful when routing cables.
I have a 256 hyperx m.2 which i will use for the first few months, just for OS etc, I don't want to spend that kind of money on something I know I will replace, but an SSD is more universal.
I like Samsung SSD's, my 500gb one has always been reliable. The only reason I wouldn't get an SSD for this system is if I was going for a 10tb HDD which would do better in my current X99 system than this future mini build. 

N.B. I plan on making my current x99 build into a hybrid server for NAS, media station (thinking of getting a soundcard for it) etc where as this itx (or dtx if your fussy) build will be more for personal use, maybe some 3d modelling when I'm bored


I would probably say no riser would mean its not a SFF case but still an ITX case. I want a smaller build to put on my desk
 

 

On 8/23/2019 at 7:39 PM, brob said:

 

Does the cpu cooler not include a controller?

Not entirely sure, the ML240p mirage hasn't been released yet so I'm not 100% sure if it comes with a controller, the same goes for whether the 200mm ARGB fan has a controller hub, plus if there is any room between the GPU and MOBO I might had an LED strip as a GPU back light

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2 hours ago, A. Cole said:

I like Samsung SSD's, my 500gb one has always been reliable. The only reason I wouldn't get an SSD for this system is if I was going for a 10tb HDD which would do better in my current X99 system than this future mini build

I'm just saying that the 860 Qvo is bad valur for money. Other Samsung SSDs charge more without losing things, while the Qvo loses a lot of speed while still costing more than its competitors. That includes TLC SATA drives as well from say, Micron


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I'm just saying that the 860 Qvo is bad valur for money. Other Samsung SSDs charge more without losing things, while the Qvo loses a lot of speed while still costing more than its competitors. That includes TLC SATA drives as well from say, Micron

what kind of functionality will it lose? I also chose it partially for display purposes but if its losing performance that I would need, your right I should change it to a different SSD, but if its functionality I won't really use then it's no skin of my back. I've worked with micron SSD's before and there write over limit isn't that good compared to some main brand SSD's (the limit of writes an SSD can perform before degradation or failure) though im likely not to see this in a Home build as this tends to happen with laptops we provide to companies with there BOYD settings often re-writing large parts of the SSD whenever they connect, don't know why they use BOYD systems this way, we just refurbish the laptops.

As mentioned before, budget on this build will be quite flexible as I'm a bit of a hardware enthusiast and there will be a design theme to try and follow (depends on which case i choose but likely gunmetal/black/silver themed to match the X570 dtx board)

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4 hours ago, A. Cole said:

what kind of functionality will it lose?

you dont lose functionality, you lose speed or endurance depending on what you compare it to. Intel 660p is faster for less money (NVMe after all). TBW rating is actually very high for the 860 Qvo (2TB has 720TB, compared to 660p's 400TB and Crucial MX500's 700TB), but Samsung only offers 3 year warranty while both Intel and Crucial offer 5 year warranty for these two SSDs. At the end of the day TBW and other ratings are just a number, but warranty length shows the manufacturer's confidence in their products durability.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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17 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

you dont lose functionality, you lose speed or endurance depending on what you compare it to. Intel 660p is faster for less money (NVMe after all). TBW rating is actually very high for the 860 Qvo (2TB has 720TB, compared to 660p's 400TB and Crucial MX500's 700TB), but Samsung only offers 3 year warranty while both Intel and Crucial offer 5 year warranty for these two SSDs. At the end of the day TBW and other ratings are just a number, but warranty length shows the manufacturer's confidence in their products durability.

I plan on going for 2x 1tb gen4 NVMe (likely the sabrent rocket ones as there £30-40 cheaper than corsair and gigabyte) and until I get these gen4 NVMe I'm going to be using my Kingston 256gb m.2 for the short term, so I don't want to buy another m.2 that I will end up replacing later down the line. Plus I'm always sceptical pairing AMD and Intel components (i know there wont be problems but it just doesn't feel right) the SSD is meant to be for redundancy and extra room, if I wasn't going SSD I would probably go for a 10tb but as stated before that will be better in the current build I have when i convert it into a NAS/Media server etc.

It's a bit complicated how I plan to set up the storage on this build, but I plan on buying the extended store MI licence (fuzedrive 1000) and seeing if Raid 0 is even needed for gen4 (probably not) then pair the SSD to make the vSSD. If raid 0 is pointless then 1tb of gen4 will be used for the vSSD and the other 1tb will be used for OS and intensive/large programs that aren't games, like AutoCAD, Solidworks or sketchup, Sibalius, unreal engine etc. And to finish this of I want to have a network connection to what is my current system which will be turned into a NAS for steam, movie and audio libraries. There's no point using the gen4 m.2 as the network directory because a 1gb/s network will bottle neck the 4-5gb/s read write of gen4 NVMe so it will be going from NAS to SSD then if that file/program/whatever is used often enough it will move from SSD to NVMe

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