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Intel has announced yet another tranche of 10th Generation mobile chips, this time based on 14nm. This is the third Intel 10th Generation announcement that the company has made recently and the first to show us how 10nm and 14nm products will live side-by-side in the same product families. The headline news here is that Intel is bumping its maximum mobile CPU core count to 6C/12T in a 15W power envelope, up from 4C/8T. The 14nm CPUs in the 10th Generation family are Comet Lake, paired up with Ice Lake to fill out the field.

 

Intel have just announced Comet Lake, yet another 14nm refresh, that will sit along side it's already announced 10nm Ice Lake.

And to make their already terrible 10th Gen naming scheme even worse, the 14nm and 10nm parts will be basically indistinguishable from one another just by looking at the name for the average user. But Comet Lake CPUs seem to follow the old naming scheme of Generation - SKU - Product Line rather than Generation - SKU - Graphics Level

 

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For the most part, the 14nm++++++++++++ parts seem to be better than the 10nm parts, they consume less power, have more cores and clock higher. But they're not available with Intel's Gen 11 graphics, only Gen 9.5

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I honestly don't know what to say about this, we thought 10nm was here (in mobile at least), but with Intel bringing out yet another 14nm family, looks like 10nm wasn't ready for prime time after all!

 

 

Source: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/297001-intel-unveils-6-core-10th-gen-mobile-cpus-but-power-limits-may-throttle-chips

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-comet-lake-10th-generation-processor,40208.html

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1 minute ago, yolosnail said:

14nm++++++++++++

*whispers* long live Skylake

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I was chatting to some friends earlier on the possibility I'd finally upgrade from my current i5 6200U laptop... I don't need a whole lot of horse power from my laptop only portability really so I never felt any need to upgrade so far but... I might take the finally release of 10nm to get something new.

 

Intel's claiming 18% IPC improvement from 14nm++ to 10nm, these processors should stack relatively well against the current pricey Whiskey Lake i7 8565U if so... It is all about pricing to make it attractive.

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Looking at the alternatives the i5-1035G4 seems to be the far better alternative value wise, You get Iris Plus opposed to UHD and the i7's really only bring small frequency increments and 2mb more lvl3 Cache to the table... tough to justify.

 

I just hope that there will be well priced decent built laptops carrying these CPU.

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12 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

*whispers* long live Skylake

Skylake+++?

 

9 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Intel's claiming 18% IPC improvement from 14nm++ these processors

I haven't caught up with the news yet, but I thought the 18% claim was for Ice Lake 10nm parts (based on Sunny Cove). These are still essentially based on Skylake, although faster ram could help it in some scenarios.

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At least it has more plus than ever before

 

Laptop's gonna be greater again

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1 minute ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

At least it has more plus than ever before

 

Laptop's gonna be greater again

More pluses makes it more better... right?

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Just now, yolosnail said:

More pluses makes it more better... right?

Intel has the plus law to compensate for moore's law now

 

and thonks for the news, reporter #49

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5 minutes ago, porina said:

I haven't caught up with the news yet, but I thought the 18% claim was for Ice Lake 10nm parts (based on Sunny Cove). These are still essentially based on Skylake, although faster ram could help it in some scenarios. 

My entire reply is addressing the Ice Lake 10nm specifics, not the Comet Lake 14nm+++ refresh...

 

Yeah I know it's awkward having two different architectures and lithographies within the same 10th gen, but 10nm still isn't entirely there they had to be more conservative on frequency and 4c/8t seems to be as high as it goes for now.

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2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

it's awkward having two different architectures and lithographies within the same 10th gen

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That's disappointing, seems like their yields are poor considering they can't get a 10nm 6 Core, it's been so many years since the promised 10nm, you would think they would get their shit together by now, 2020 might finally be the year though

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32 minutes ago, yolosnail said:

bumping its maximum mobile CPU core count to 6C/12T in a 15W power envelope,

This 15 watt figure is Intel's tdp spec yes? Which means it's a lie basically. According to intel, somehow the i7 7700K, i7 8700k, and i9 9900k are all 95 watts which baffles me.

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Skylake is dead, long live skylake...

 

At least they got Wifi 6 and Thunderbolt 3

 

This ain´t gonna be a good year for intel

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12 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

My entire reply is addressing the Ice Lake 10nm specifics, not the Comet Lake 14nm+++ refresh...

I just looked again and mis-understood your intent. As written I saw it as saying the new 14nm parts had 18% IPC increase, as opposed to the 10nm parts having 18% IPC increase over 14nm.

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2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

This 15 watt figure is Intel's tdp spec yes? Which means it's a lie basically. According to intel, somehow the i7 7700K, i7 8700k, and i9 9900k are all 95 watts which baffles me.

TDP is based on Base Frequency, it's mentioned in their processor database, and it is true

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12 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

That's disappointing, seems like their yields are poor considering they can't get a 10nm 6 Core, it's been so many years since the promised 10nm, you would think they would get their shit together by now, 2020 might finally be the year though

well to their credit they are only around a year behind tsmc,though the clocks are quite bad if not for the ipc increase they would be in trouble, they might even need to port it to 14nm at some point if 10nm doesn't improve, which might be the first time ever a cpu on a newer node is worse 

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3 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

TDP is based on Base Frequency, it's mentioned in their processor database, and it is true

The biggest gap is the 7700k to the 8700k, 4.2 to 3.7, but the i9 is 3.6 so 3.7GHz on 6 cores somehow puts out the same heat as 8 cores at 3.6? Doesn't seem quite right

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11 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

2020 might finally be the year though

The formula for working out when 10nm will have a full launch is 

Year of launch = current year + 1

 

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well to their credit they are only around a year behind tsmc,though the clocks are quite bad if not for the ipc increase they would be in trouble, they might even need to port it to 14nm at some point if 10nm doesn't improve, which might be the first time ever a cpu on a newer node is worse 

Considering Intel has been working on 10nm for the best part of a decade, and it was supposed to be released 4 years ago, I think it's TSMC that needs the credit for getting 7nm out (which supposedly is equivalent to Intel 10nm)

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2 minutes ago, yolosnail said:

Considering Intel has been working on 10nm for the best part of a decade, and it was supposed to be released 4 years ago, I think it's TSMC that needs the credit for getting 7nm out (which supposedly is equivalent to Intel 10nm)

Intel was around 2 years ahead in Leading Edge Nodes. Now, they're years behind. Samsung has shipped a couple of things using their 7nm node, as well. However, we don't know what the actual node rules are for Intel's 10nm, at this point. 

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56 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

The biggest gap is the 7700k to the 8700k, 4.2 to 3.7, but the i9 is 3.6 so 3.7GHz on 6 cores somehow puts out the same heat as 8 cores at 3.6? Doesn't seem quite right

Improved nodes can get you lower voltages, so it is possible

https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics

According to this the 9900K achieves lower voltages compared to the 8700K at the same frequency, the voltages are probably averaged

56 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

well to their credit they are only around a year behind tsmc,though the clocks are quite bad if not for the ipc increase they would be in trouble, they might even need to port it to 14nm at some point if 10nm doesn't improve, which might be the first time ever a cpu on a newer node is worse 

Are you talking about Intel 10nm clocking badly? they probably didn't want to push it too far considering it's a Y part which is meant to be low power, we'll have to see what the Desktop version can do

 

Edit: Y processors aren't 10nm, nvm

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1 minute ago, _Syn_ said:

Improved nodes can get you lower voltages, so it is possible

https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics

According to this the 9900K achieves lower voltages compared to the 8700K at the same frequency, the voltages are probably averaged

Are you talking about Intel 10nm clocking badly? they probably didn't want to push it too far considering it's a Y part which is meant to be low power, we'll have to see what the Desktop version can do

all things point to no 10nm desktop parts, and they did 4.5ghz boosts just last gen now its only 4.1

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Great stuff, this basically confirms what we already knew..10nm isn't ready so they are putting 14nm alongside it.

 

Brace for 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++ Inferno Lake, coming to desktop users in early 2020! Forever delivering a small increase in clocks every 12 months for a STAGGERING 2-3% improvement! All with a BRAND NEW 10 core processor with power consumption to burn your house down!

 

All jokes aside, (Although they may become reality the way things are carrying on) Intel needs to deliver in 2020. Intel is hanging by a thread, and only because they can say to fortnite gamers that they get a few more frames out of it than Zen2. If 10nm isn't in 2020, Zen3 will eat Intel for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

 

As for the mobile CPU's, do we have any info on whether the new graphics are only in 10nm? Maybe that would make it different...although not necessarily in a good way. Otherwise what is the point in these cpu's..

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2 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

Are you talking about Intel 10nm clocking badly? they probably didn't want to push it too far considering it's a Y part which is meant to be low power, we'll have to see what the Desktop version can do

There's that, but also the fact that Intel saw quite a bit of clock regression when moving from 14nm to 10nm (I can't remember whether it was an official statement or from a 'trusted source').

Part of the trouble is Intel have had so long to add pluses to 14nm that they've managed to get the clock speed up considerably. If Intel had released 10nm when it was scheduled (the first time), there wouldn't be that much of a difference in clock speed

On the off chance that Intel actually releases 10nm desktop parts (which I honestly doubt), I'd expect to see low to mid 4ghz, at a push

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1 minute ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Great stuff, this basically confirms what we already knew..10nm isn't ready so they are putting 14nm alongside it.

 

Brace for 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++ Inferno Lake, coming to desktop users in early 2020! Forever delivering a small increase in clocks every 12 months for a STAGGERING 2-3% improvement! All with a BRAND NEW 10 core processor with power consumption to burn your house down!

 

All jokes aside, (Although they may become reality the way things are carrying on) Intel needs to deliver in 2020. Intel is hanging by a thread, and only because they can say to fortnite gamers that they get a few more frames out of it than Zen2. If 10nm isn't in 2020, Zen3 will eat Intel for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

 

As for the mobile CPU's, do we have any info on whether the new graphics are only in 10nm? Maybe that would make it different...although not necessarily in a good way. Otherwise what is the point in these cpu's..

 

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According to Toms Hardware

Thank goodness, at least they've got one selling point then I guess.

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