Mojang announces Minecraft RTX after the cancelation of Super Duper Graphics Pack

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2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

3) I hope there is a way to brute force this on non RTX Turing like with other benchmarks or games.

I suspect there won't be, or if there is, it will perform so poorly that it won't really be worth using.  Given that they're specifically targeting RTX hardware, as opposed to the existing raytracing mods for Java which aim to bring that functionality to any traditionally powerful GPU, I would expect that the optimizations necessary for doing it well on traditional hardware will be absent, and that they will perhaps target a graphical level that's above what those cards could handle.

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, TrigrH said:

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Oh rip. Does the 1650 just not have enough VRAM?

[TrigrH]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Oh rip. Does the 1650 just not have enough VRAM?

yup

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What's interesting actually about this from a gameplay perspective, rather than the technical perspective that's mainly focused on by the forum, is this is the first "official" lighting mod.  I think this matters because with any shaders or lighting mods, you get into a situation where the appearance of light does not actually correlate with the way light is understood by the game internally - an issue not present when using the default lighting engine.  This is understood and wilfully ignored by non-technical players just looking for a nicer image, but there's something interesting about offering it officially imo.  I guess because it's sort of a "broken" state that people are ok with as a mod but feels strange coming from the source.

[rcmaehl]

5 hours ago, sazrocks said:

THIS IS FOR THE WINDOWS 10 NATIVE "BEDROCK" EDITION. NOT FOR JAVA EDITION.

Doesn't matter. Java modding community has probably already had a mod for this from 2011. Killed, revived, and transferred mod maintainers 8 different times, but it's still there.

[CarlBar]

7 hours ago, sazrocks said:

Just going to put this here because people seem to forget that there are different versions of minecraft:

THIS IS FOR THE WINDOWS 10 NATIVE "BEDROCK" EDITION. NOT FOR JAVA EDITION.

Interesting, they added normal maps too (though IMO it looks really lazy on grass/dirt). There's obviously a lot more than just ray tracing going on here.

 

I'm curious to see what the performance is compared to Sonic Ether's SEUS PTGI raytracting shaders for java edition, which currently requires a GTX 1080 to get ~60FPS at 1080p (It's not easily possible to make shaders use RTX cores in the java edition). It'd end up being pretty funny if one guy was able to make software raytracing perform better than Mojang's hardware-based implementation.

 

Edit: SEUS PTGI E7 for comparison (still in alpha):

 

 

Holy boop.

 

Got to admit i actually like the lightning in the official setup too, but ehh don't know if i'm sold.

 

Also OP can the poll have a neither option. Haven't played minecraft in ages but the graphics where never the draw TBH.

[Origami Cactus]

2 hours ago, Sushimus said:

Nobody else is gonna point out how RTX minecraft makes a bunch of things look like they're made of cheap plastics?... Just me that sees it?

Well minecraft is pretty much LEGO, so i don't see an issue in that.

[SpookyCitrus]

6 hours ago, laminutederire said:

Minecraft is just soooooooooooooooo bad for texture looks that clearly the already existing mods for raytracing look so much better thanks to the better textures compared to the rtx implementation with native textures.

Well if RTX is just going to be an added graphics setting then there more than likely isn't going to be a problem using a texture pack with it.

[TrainFan475]

Well, I'm screwed. I don't even have an rtx card. And Minecraft is one of my favorite games! After seeing that video, Minecraft will never seem as great again.

[S w a t s o n]

5 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

1) Windows 10 Edition only - You lost me there. I'm sticking with Java Edition. The real version of Minecraft.

2) Also this feels scummy after cancelling the Super Duper Graphics Pack

3) I hope there is a way to brute force this on non RTX Turing like with other benchmarks or games.

 

On 8/14/2019 at 2:24 PM, AluminiumTech said:

Oh yeah definitely. If they can't do this then you can pretty much forget a ray traced update.

Sorry, I had to. This does feel pretty scummy but I'm not sure microshaft would cancel a platform agnostic upgrade just to implement RTX, i think maybe RTX was implemented internally as a test and once they realized super duper couldnt run on consoles they said "fuck it, we'll render it live!"

Also should point out they do plan to support all platforms//hardare that support DXR so this wont stay Windows 10 or Nvidia exclusive.

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We couldn’t be more excited to take advantage of the new ray tracing technology from NVIDIA. It’ll be playable on Windows 10 with devices that are capable of DirectX R, such as with an NVIDIA GeForce RTX GPU (and we plan to expand it to future platforms that support DirectX R raytracing).  

 

[Jito463]

6 hours ago, Sushimus said:

Nobody else is gonna point out how RTX minecraft makes a bunch of things look like they're made of cheap plastics?... Just me that sees it?

It's Minecraft.  Would anyone even notice?

[RotoCoreOne]

The mod for raytracing implementation in minecraft looks way better than the official version lol... and it doesn't even need rtx

[Unixsystem]

11 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

Considering the other aspects of Minecrafts graphics, its even more of a gimmick then it is in BFV (where you are insane to turn it on, at least in MP).

However when it comes to games where lighting actively enhances the atmosphere (eg: Resident Evil series, Metro series, some open world games) however, it would be fantastic.

I disagree entirely. I think a game with very simple geometry/textures has the most to gain from overhauled lighting. Whereas you look at a lot of the AAA tech demos for RTX and at times you need to really magnify screenshots to even notice the differences, in a game like Minecraft with all sharp corners and lots of transparent blocks or placeable light sources, the difference is striking. I've messed around a bit with PTGI on the Java version and it completely changes the feel of the game, even with a vanilla-ish texture pack (just with normal maps to make things actually pop). The current mod is still janky at times, but it's in active development and has improved dramatically in recent months. 

 

Also, keep in mind that a significant portion of Minecraft takes place in underground tunnels and caverns where the only light source are torches, lava and the occasional sunlight that breaks through. From a gameplay perspective, MC has way more to gain from ray traced lighting than a game like BF where it's just eye candy that you are likely moving far to fast to really take in.

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16 hours ago, williamcll said:

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 GTX 1080 to get ~60FPS at 1080p (It's not easily possible to make shaders use RTX cores in the java edition). It'd end up being pretty funny if one guy was able to make software raytracing perform better than Mojang's hardware-based implementation.

 

[Mooshi]

16 hours ago, sazrocks said:

Just going to put this here because people seem to forget that there are different versions of minecraft:

THIS IS FOR THE WINDOWS 10 NATIVE "BEDROCK" EDITION. NOT FOR JAVA EDITION.

Interesting, they added normal maps too (though IMO it looks really lazy on grass/dirt). There's obviously a lot more than just ray tracing going on here.

 

I'm curious to see what the performance is compared to Sonic Ether's SEUS PTGI raytracting shaders for java edition, which currently requires a GTX 1080 to get ~60FPS at 1080p (It's not easily possible to make shaders use RTX cores in the java edition). It'd end up being pretty funny if one guy was able to make software raytracing perform better than Mojang's hardware-based implementation.

 

Edit: SEUS PTGI E7 running on a 1080ti for comparison (still in alpha):

 

So it's for the garbage pay to play version only? Hard pass.

[Albal_156]

UFDTech did a good video on this completely exposing the shenanigens going on with Minecraft. NVIDIA trying to get more RTX games out and hurting a lot of people in the process.

 

[Fnige]

15 hours ago, LeSheen said:

How many even play the bedrock edition? Played since the alpha and never migrated from java to bedrock. I think there are a lot of players like me.

Are the player populations known?

think its more, about 100 million

[sazrocks]

2 hours ago, Mooshi said:

So it's for the garbage pay to play version only? Hard pass.

Huh? Minecraft is a paid game and has been for a long, long time.

[Shreyas1]

3 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

Huh? Minecraft is a paid game and has been for a long, long time.

I think he means the marketplace in bedrock.

 

2 hours ago, Mooshi said:

So it's for the garbage pay to play version only? Hard pass.

There is a version for java, just that you have to wait for a bit for it to leave development ( or pay to SEUS patreon )

[LeSheen]

7 hours ago, SlimyPython said:

think its more, about 100 million

Just talking about the pc playerbase leaving the console versions out of the scope.

[laminutederire]

On 8/19/2019 at 5:01 PM, Origami Cactus said:

Well minecraft is pretty much LEGO, so i don't see an issue in that.

Lego games and movies actually look good though...

On 8/19/2019 at 5:04 PM, SpookyCitrus said:

Well if RTX is just going to be an added graphics setting then there more than likely isn't going to be a problem using a texture pack with it.

That remains to be seen though! You probably can switch textures but I'm not sure you'd be able to change the rest of the material. Knowing nvidia it could be hidden behind a closed wall quite drastically !

[SpookyCitrus]

On 8/19/2019 at 6:07 PM, Mooshi said:

So it's for the garbage pay to play version only? Hard pass.

If you have the Java version of MC and Windows 10 you get the Bedrock version of MC for free. At least you did for the last few months.

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OK this is pure BS. So after cancelling super duper pack that was "too technically difficult" and was not running well across platforms they implement nvidia raytracing that is even more complex and runs on marginal amount of hardware? I smell shilling out!

[JZStudios]

On 8/19/2019 at 12:49 AM, sazrocks said:

I'm curious to see what the performance is compared to Sonic Ether's SEUS PTGI raytracting shaders for java edition, which currently requires a GTX 1080 to get ~60FPS at 1080p (It's not easily possible to make shaders use RTX cores in the java edition). It'd end up being pretty funny if one guy was able to make software raytracing perform better than Mojang's hardware-based implementation.

 

Edit: SEUS PTGI E7 running on a 1080ti for comparison (still in alpha):

 

The best part is, you know for an absolute fact that they didn't give 2 shits about it until that became popular.

It also looks amazingly shit with the "default" textures, but as mentioned it now also has normal or displacement and reflection maps.