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My Own Worst Enemy - Massive culture clashes within Google reportedly destroying it from within

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Wired (best read)

Business Insider (quote source)

 

Summary:

Google's openness to dissent within it's own company is brewing huge internal social and political battles that are spilling out into the metaphorical streets.

 

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Google has been having a rough few years. June 2018, its big government contract for Project Maven was scrapped. November, employees walked out in protest over allegations of sexual misconduct. This July, after employees pushed back against a censored version of Google Search. All those issues were rooted in Google's culture, according to a massive new investigation by Wired. "You need these aberrant geniuses because they're the ones that drive, in most cases, the product excellence," Schmidt told Wired in an interview earlier this year. The products in reference here are some of Google's best — products used by billions of people worldwide, such as Gmail, Google Maps, and Google Translate. They're also tremendously important pieces of Google's business. And that's why Schmidt's statement about aberrant geniuses being allowed more rope than other employees is so important. The same cultural standard within Google that encourages frank, open dissent — when paired with Google's famously open internal communications — has also pushed employees into political arguments that have divided the company. Several conservative former Google employees are suing the company, accusing Google of censoring their political speech and firing them. President Donald Trump has begun targeting Google and CEO Sundar Pichai in recent weeks. Trump said Pichai was being watched "very closely," and he has accused Pichai of groveling for favor from him in a meeting. But that's far from the end of Google's recent problems.

 

My Thoughts:

Google has always been a mixing pot. Unlike some companies were politics, sexuality, and other tough conversations are discouraged or prohibited, Google promotes engaging in those conversations. Recently, those conversations have gotten dirty with employees on both sides of the spectrum leaking information about other employees leading to doxxing and harassment, among other things. Additionally, certain parts of Google/Alphabet have been focused more on profit than their previous guideline of "Don't be evil" stirring up more internal and external controversy as Google attempts to catch up to it's more ethically questionable tech rivals.


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Good let them destroy themselves. If no one wants to work for them they can't continue their spyware


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Almost as if a company with many thousands of employees and the ones at the top pushing a specific political viewpoint is bound to create clashes within a company


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8 minutes ago, williamcll said:

Do you remember the good old days?

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4 minutes ago, Waffles13 said:

I know you're taking the piss, but when a company literally removes "don't be evil" from their mission statement, you know something is screwed up. 

The fact they put it there in the first place screams "this is going to end badly". And it has.

 

Though, as a practical matter, the really important Google products they listed in the quoted piece are all very "old" at this point. That's actually been Google's biggest problem for nearly a decade: they are just finding more ways to monetize things. The company is no longer in a market where they're exploring new things, thus they are fighting over internal sources of power & money. Frankly, it's the life cycle of any Empire. The conquest & expansion phase has ended, thus the "long knives" are out for everyone because it's about internal political divisions. 

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Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

The fact they put it there in the first place screams "this is going to end badly". And it has.

 

Though, as a practical matter, the really important Google products they listed in the quoted piece are all very "old" at this point. That's actually been Google's biggest problem for nearly a decade: they are just finding more ways to monetize things. The company is no longer in a market where they're exploring new things, thus they are fighting over internal sources of power & money. Frankly, it's the life cycle of any Empire. The conquest & expansion phase has ended, thus the "long knives" are out for everyone because it's about internal political divisions. 

When they put it in there they were still a relatively small tech upstart, and I absolutely think it was meant at face value. They looked at big companies being dicks to their customers/users, and didnt want to be the same way. 

 

The fact that they fell so far that they not only violated that rule, but did it to such a degree that they felt the need to edit it out of their policy is very telling of where their corporate structure is at. 

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12 minutes ago, Waffles13 said:

I know you're taking the piss, but when a company literally removes "don't be evil" from their mission statement, you know something is screwed up. 

I wasn't joking... I was deadly serious.

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And here is me not giving one single damn, as I loathe Google and the American Conmenservatives all the same.


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14 minutes ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said:

And here is me not giving one single damn, as I loathe Google and the American Conmenservatives all the same.

I am curious are you running Firefox or some other browser? 


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It's not just Google, it's happening across Silicon Valley.

 

My mother works for a county a hospital (not gonna say the name) and top executives are just bailing left and right. It's gotten so political that people have forgotten that at the end of the day, this hospital is still a business. Despite all of its write offs and government subsidies, there is a lot of fraudulent behavior happening due to political standing about immigration and whatnot that is hurting this hospital. The people being replaced are incompetent and are only being hired for political reasons too. It's a sinking ship and very sad to see this type of behavior being practiced.

 

Anyway, I hope Silicon Valley has a reset. Too many dumb people playing dumb politics.


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"It's the end of the world as we know it…and I feel fine!"

 

Now we just need somebody to capitalize on it with a live stream of fights found within google on their security cameras.  Bonus points for using google's facial recognition API and transcription API for real time tagging and captioning.  O:-)

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3 hours ago, rcmaehl said:

Additionally, certain parts of Google/Alphabet have been focused more on profit than their previous guideline of "Don't be evil" stirring up more internal and external controversy as Google attempts to catch up to it's more ethically questionable tech rivals.

I'm curious about which rivals you're referring to here. Off the top of my head, I'm struggling to come up with many companies that Google could be considered to be trying to catch up with, and none that I would consider ethically questionable. 


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2 hours ago, williamcll said:

Do you remember the good old days?

Yeah like winning doodle for google in 2006...


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1 hour ago, colonel_mortis said:

I'm curious about which rivals you're referring to here. Off the top of my head, I'm struggling to come up with many companies that Google could be considered to be trying to catch up with, and none that I would consider ethically questionable. 

Those operating in China with censored search engines and those working with the US government on military technology to name a few. Market segments Google is intentionally not operating in but their rivals are. Nothing unethical, just questionable to some people.


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I work in "big tech" my views do not represent my employer's


If you're a conservative, moderate or libertarian at a tech company, that you willfully and eagerly accepted an offer to join... you should probably get in the ideological closet and stay there.

 

If you want to tank a $150,000-400,000 career with free food galore, the easiest way is to not shut up. Nothing in writing and words should only be with people whom you trust. Half the stuff said on this forum, LTT, could get you fired at a place like Facebook or Uber as it's "insensitive" towards... roughly 1/10th of 1% of the population, maybe, and it doesn't matter if no one it was insensitive towards even cared and it doesn't matter if the reporter was being invasive and eavesdropping. 


Also, the same people who deign to stop and have a conversation with the cleaning crew, or foodstaff say stuff like "OMG they should get paid more" while simultaneously treating them like dirt in person. Not every job is worth [arbitrary value needed to make the rich person not feel icky] but every person you come across IS worth being treated with kindness and respect. 


The good news is if you're a militant progressive on a mission you probably won't get censured for pushing for censorship or requesting that the life of someone you disagree with be ruined. 



Also most people are moderate or left-learning instead of full on lefties. It's just the loud ones who are pushing for Marxism with extra steps (and the subjugation of all those who disagree). Hell my boss is pretty left-leaning and he's fed up with outrage culture.  Most people are all around decent, caring and considerate. 

 

Also to be fair, the more "activist right leaning" types can be... stupid in their own ways. 


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Dear Google, any successful group of people is a hierarchy, not a round table. 

 

People are always too different to be able to have equal say in anything and expect the whole to move forward.  This is why you only have one CEO, one president or prime minister, one king or queen  and one chairperson.   If you don't believe me ask yourself why any army has a very rigid and well enforced hierarchy of control.


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5 hours ago, Kierax said:

I am curious are you running Firefox or some other browser? 

Probably an SJW unironically using Apple products and ignorantly supporting slave labor.

 

Granted, we all technically support it by purchasing anything tech related, made in China.

 

"Something something capitalism bad, communism good".

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14 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Probably an SJW unironically using Apple products and ignorantly supporting slave labor.

 

Granted, we all technically support it by purchasing anything tech related, made in China.

 

"Something something capitalism bad, communism good".

Then it's not really Apple that's the issue, is it?  ("SJWs" aren't either, but that's not a tech thread)

 

I'm always amused by the people who shout "screw you Apple!" over labor conditions, and then rush to use a Windows PC made in similar conditions, an Xbox made in similar conditions, an Android phone made in similar conditions... it's really just a thinly-veiled attempt to tie their irrational hatred of Apple to a sense of moral superiority.

 

As for Google, I'm not sure this division is reflected in the company's actual performance.  Alphabet (and Google specifically) is doing just fine monetarily.  There'll only be a broader concern if any internal turmoil actually starts hurting the company's overall health.

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6 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Then it's not really Apple that's the issue, is it?  ("SJWs" aren't either, but that's not a tech thread)

 

I'm always amused by the people who shout "screw you Apple!" over labor conditions, and then rush to use a Windows PC made in similar conditions, an Xbox made in similar conditions, an Android phone made in similar conditions... it's really just a thinly-veiled attempt to tie their irrational hatred of Apple to a sense of moral superiority.

 

As for Google, I'm not sure this division is reflected in the company's actual performance.  Alphabet (and Google specifically) is doing just fine monetarily.  There'll only be a broader concern if any internal turmoil actually starts hurting the company's overall health.

It was mainly a slight against the user in question for using the term "conmenservatives". Pointing out the complete hypocrisy of his belief system.

 

A TL:DR would be: Another ignorant ideologue with no actual education on the world we live in.

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