New build, looking for opinions.

[Warak]

Hi everyone, slowly building new PC, got few questions + just interested in outside opinion, never hurts.

So far it looks like this 

Case - Define C + 2xNF-A14 industrialPPC-2000 PWM, 1x120 NF-F12 industrialPPC-2000 PWM.
MB    - Z390 AORUS PRO
CPU  - I7-9700k + NH-D15S or Dark Rock 4 pro
RAM  - Vengeance LPX CMK32GX4M2B3200C16

SSD  - 970 Evo or Pro

Video - RTX 2080 S or Ti or GTX 770

PSU  - Aerocool P7, Corsair HXi, Corsair RMx, Be quiet Straight Power 11

 

Explanation. As u can see I more or less know what Case, MB, CPU and Ram would be.

CPU cooler, I still thinking, I like Rock, but it doesnt really matter in Define C case, they performance is more or less similar, price is marginally different.

SSD, not sure I need sustained r\w speeds so I think it would be Evos.

Video, Yes, I know 2080ti is very good value, so I guess it would be 2080s, I also thinking to keep 770 for now and wait, heard rumors about Radeons 5900.

PSU, Main question, Iam thinking 750w, all 4 looks good, but Be Quiet calculator shows 850 recommended, Seasonic calculator shows 527 recommended so Iam not sure, 850 seems to much, 527 seems not enough. What do u think?

[Herman Mcpootis]

what do you expect us to do without a single bit of detail?

[AvogadrosDog]

Well, it helps if we know what your needs are/what you want to do with this computer, budget and country.

[Warak]

Just now, Herman Mcpootis said:

what do you expect us to do without a single bit of detail?

Sorry, I sent posted before I finished  missclick

[Herman Mcpootis]

3 minutes ago, Warak said:

 

SSD, not sure I need sustained r\w speeds so I think it would be Evos.

 

PSU, Main question, Iam thinking 750w, all 4 looks good, but Be Quiet calculator shows 850 recommended, Seasonic calculator shows 527 recommended so Iam not sure, 850 seems to much, 527 seems not enough.

if you're just gaming then the 970 evo/pro is a waste. get a cheaper ssd. both calculators are overestimating, a good 550-650w PSU is good enough.

[Warak]

6 minutes ago, AvogadrosDog said:

Well, it helps if we know what your needs are/what you want to do with this computer, budget and country.

Nothing too special, just normal home PC, some games some work. I dont really care about budget, I mean its limited only by common sense. No reason to take 400-500 mother board for example, already made this mistake. Got Asus Hero MB and I dont even overclocked CPU in it  ofc CPU is k.

 

[Warak]

6 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

if you're just gaming then the 970 evo/pro is a waste. get a cheaper ssd. both calculators are overestimating, a good 550-650w PSU is good enough.

Tbh Iam not even sure why I want Samsungs again, within last 4month 2 960s pro died.

650? U sure? Even if I decide to go for 2080ti?

[Herman Mcpootis]

4 minutes ago, Warak said:

Tbh Iam not even sure why I want Samsungs again, within last 4month 2 960s pro died, controllers failure. 650? U sure? Even if I decide to go for 2080ti?

https://www.techspot.com/review/1701-geforce-rtx-2080/page4.html ~500w with an overclocked 8700k.

[AvogadrosDog]

13 minutes ago, Warak said:

Nothing too special, just normal home PC, some games some work. I dont really care about budget, I mean its limited only by common sense.

 

If that's the case then can I ask why you're already set on the 9700k? I would be tempted to recommend at least the 3600 - probably the best value CPU currently out (other than maybe the 2600), has very good gaming performance comparable to that of the 9600k and in terms of workload and programmes it stomps most of the intel CPUs except the 9900k. The 3600 is actually comparable in performance to the 8700k, just to put things into context.

 

19 minutes ago, Warak said:

Hi everyone, slowly building new PC, got few questions + just interested in outside opinion, never hurts.

So far it looks like this 

Case - Define C + 2xNF-A14 industrialPPC-2000 PWM, 1x120 NF-F12 industrialPPC-2000 PWM.
MB    - Z390 AORUS PRO
CPU  - I7-9700k + NH-D15S or Dark Rock 4 pro
RAM  - Vengeance LPX CMK32GX4M2B3200C16

SSD  - 970 Evo or Pro

Video - RTX 2080 S or Ti or GTX 770

PSU  - Aerocool P7, Corsair HXi, Corsair RMx, Be quiet Straight Power 11

 

Explanation. As u can see I more or less know what Case, MB, CPU and Ram would be.

CPU cooler, I still thinking, I like Rock, but it doesnt really matter in Define C case, they performance is more or less similar, price is marginally different.

SSD, not sure I need sustained r\w speeds so I think it would be Evos.

Video, Yes, I know 2080ti is very good value, so I guess it would be 2080s, I also thinking to keep 770 for now and wait, heard rumors about Radeons 5900.

PSU, Main question, Iam thinking 750w, all 4 looks good, but Be Quiet calculator shows 850 recommended, Seasonic calculator shows 527 recommended so Iam not sure, 850 seems to much, 527 seems not enough. What do u think?

Either the NH-D15s or Dark Rock 4 Pro are excellent air coolers - if I had to pick I'd go NH-D15S because if you can afford it why not get the best air cooler around that you can use on multiple builds, whether AMD or Intel.

 

I would have a nice SSD for OS (250-500GB) but it doesn't have to be samsung - I personally only picked up the 970 Evo because they were giving away AC:OD for free with it so why not.

 

For motherboard wouldn't you want to go for the WiFi/BT version of the Aorus Pro?

 

I personally wouldn't agree about "waiting for the next piece of tech" because there will always be new tech around the corner. The RTX 2080 Super is a very nice card for high fps at 1440p gaming. You could even drop it to an RTX 2080 to save money and still have performance above a 1080 Ti but I'm not 100% on that, someone else can correct me.

 

PSU-wise the RMx is a great PSU with a good reputation and much cheaper than the HXi variant and better than the Straight Power 11. Not sure about the Aerocool P7.

[Warak]

5 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1701-geforce-rtx-2080/page4.html ~500w with an overclocked 8700k.

Checked prices, Corsair RMx 650 vs 750...5$ difference.

[AvogadrosDog]

1 minute ago, Warak said:

Checked prices, Corsair RMx 650 vs 750...5$ difference.

Get the 750W then. You should be around ~70% load on that PSU with your current build. Maximum efficiency is around 50-60% load for the RMx and you'll have headroom for a 2080Ti. 

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, AvogadrosDog said:

Maximum efficiency is around 50-60% load for the RMx

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-rm550x-power-supply,4484-5.html

 

PSUs are almost never most efficient at 50-60, they normally are around 30, but it's not something to buy on, because the difference is that small

[AvogadrosDog]

4 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-rm550x-power-supply,4484-5.html

 

PSUs are almost never most efficient at 50-60, they normally are around 30, but it's not something to buy on, because the difference is that small

I was basing off of what the Corsair manual state. I may have read it wrong, my bad.

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, AvogadrosDog said:

I was basing off of what the Corsair manual state. I may have read it wrong, my bad.

well... i can't imagine that... PSUs never are most efficient at that level, just look at some graphs like this one here... but yeah, moving on

[Warak]

1 minute ago, AvogadrosDog said:

If that's the case then can I ask why you're already set on the 9700k? I would be tempted to recommend at the 3600 - probably the best value CPU currently out (other than maybe the 2600), has very good gaming performance comparable to that of the 9600k and in terms of workload and programmes it stomps most of the intel CPUs except the 9900k. The 3600 is actually comparable in performance to the 8700k, just to put things into context.

 

Either the NH-D15s or Dark Rock 4 Pro are excellent air coolers - if I had to pick I'd go NH-D15S because if you can afford it why not get the best air cooler around that you can use on multiple builds, whether AMD or Intel.

 

I would have a nice SSD for OS (250-500GB) but it doesn't have to be samsung - I personally only picked up the 970 Evo because they were giving away AC:OD for free with it so why not.

 

For motherboard wouldn't you want to go for the WiFi/BT version of the Aorus Pro?

 

I personally wouldn't agree about "waiting for the next piece of tech" because there will always be new tech around the corner. The RTX 2080 Super is a very nice card for high fps at 1440p gaming. You could even drop it to an RTX 2080 to save money and still have performance above a 1080 Ti but I'm not a 100% on that, someone else can correct me.

 

PSU-wise the RMx is a great PSU with a good reputation and much cheaper than the HXi variant and better than the Straight Power 11. Not sure about the Aerocool P7.

U mean Ryzen? Yep, It seems AMD are pretty good right now, I even thought about them but I dont really got good memories about AMD CPUs, I had Duron 800 one time. Plus I watched lots of reviews and in the end ppl suggest Intel for gaming, AMD for work, my work want lots of RAM but its not exactly CPU heavy. So mainly I set on 9700k because...marketing, old memories, ignorance...all those things I guess.

 

Dark Rock is just sooooooooooooo good looking. Yes I know I got window-less case, but I would know I got very good looking cooler, but you right, not much reason to go for looks vs performance in my case, even if its just 1-2C of temp.

 

As for SSD, it some way other brands, I just dont trust them, even though I lost 2 Samsung SSD few month ago I still trust them more, they made their own memory for one.

 

MB - why do I need WiFi and\or BT? I got almost 15 rj45 sockets, got 2 near me right now. I think stationary PC should be with wires, WiFi is for mobile devices, or am I missing something? Not sure I see any other reason to have on-board Wi-Fi other than connect it to Router\AP.

 

Video Card - tbh its not about saving money, I always wanted to build top PC, but couldn't afford it, not I can afford it  Basically the only reason I even consider 2080ti. But on the other hand Iam not a child now, so...common sense interferes, this a-hole stops me from fulfilling a childhood dream. At first I wanted to go all-in I mean 4k and everything, but again..common sense and all

 

Problem is I read modern RMx's are not what they used to be. I looked at PSU tier list here and basically choose what I like

 

[Warak]

15 minutes ago, AvogadrosDog said:

Get the 750W then. You should be around ~70% load on that PSU with your current build. Maximum efficiency is around 50-60% load for the RMx and you'll have headroom for a 2080Ti. 

 

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well... i can't imagine that... PSUs never are most efficient at that level, just look at some graphs like this one here... but yeah, moving on

I dont really care about efficiency, gold and platinum, load %...it just some piece of mind, we not talking about cheapest Chinese noname PSUs here  I just want reliable PSU, ofc w\o too much overkill.

Right now I got 750Вт Corsair "TX750 V2", since 2012...with GTX770 and 4690K  Theoretically I think I can even use it for my new PC, but its not fully modular + yes its 750w, but he is pretty old, I think its time for him to rest, he deserves it.

[5x5]

5 minutes ago, Warak said:

U mean Ryzen? Yep, It seems AMD are pretty good right now, I even thought about them but I dont really got good memories about AMD CPUs, I had Duron 800 one time. Plus I watched lots of reviews and in the end ppl suggest Intel for gaming, AMD for work, my work want lots of RAM but its not exactly CPU heavy. So mainly I set on 9700k because...marketing, old memories, ignorance...all those things I guess.

 

Dark Rock is just sooooooooooooo good looking. Yes I know I got window-less case, but I would know I got very good looking cooler, but you right, not much reason to go for looks vs performance in my case, even if its just 1-2C of temp.

 

As for SSD, it some way other brands, I just dont trust them, even though I lost 2 Samsung SSD few month ago I still trust them more, they made their own memory for one.

 

MB - why do I need WiFi and\or BT? I got almost 15 rj45 sockets, got 2 near me right now. I think stationary PC should be with wires, WiFi is for mobile devices, or am I missing something? Not sure I see any other reason to have on-board Wi-Fi other than connect it to Router\AP.

 

Video Card - tbh its not about saving money, I always wanted to build top PC, but couldn't afford it, not I can afford it  Basically the only reason I even consider 2080ti. But on the other hand Iam not a child now, so...common sense interferes, this a-hole stops me from fulfilling a childhood dream. At first I wanted to go all-in I mean 4k and everything, but again..common sense and all

 

Problem is I read modern RMx's are not what they used to be. I looked at PSU tier list here and basically choose what I like

 

I would also suggest going for a Ryzen 7 3700X. It's only 4% slower in some games, not all. It's faster in CSGO, for example, because AMD has higher IPC than Intel now. It's a whopping 30-40% faster in any multi threaded game or application, it uses less power than the intel options and also runs cooler. It has a real upgrade path (1151 is not getting any new CPUs so it's basically dead), and offers a more advanced process and technology. It's a better CPU overall. Don't judge modern CPUs by one which you had 10 years ago. Things have changed drastically and AMD is currently the CPU market leader in terms of who has a better product.

[LukeSavenije]

5 minutes ago, Warak said:

TX750 V2", since 2012

well... it's not a bad psu per say, but you've had it for long enough that I'd swap it with the rest of the system

[Warak]

50 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

I would also suggest going for a Ryzen 7 3700X. It's only 4% slower in some games, not all. It's faster in CSGO, for example, because AMD has higher IPC than Intel now. It's a whopping 30-40% faster in any multi threaded game or application, it uses less power than the intel options and also runs cooler. It has a real upgrade path (1151 is not getting any new CPUs so it's basically dead), and offers a more advanced process and technology. It's a better CPU overall. Don't judge modern CPUs by one which you had 10 years ago. Things have changed drastically and AMD is currently the CPU market leader in terms of who has a better product.

I never upgraded my PC, I always buy everything new, by the time I decide to upgrade all hardware is already too old. Ryzens are pretty new still, so I doubt we would see another generation any time soon. Also 3700x costs almost the same as 9700k, well 50 or so less. 50$ for 4% seems more interesting, on the other hand perhaps new games would be more multithread friendly + I heard Ryzens stock cooler is very good, not much reason to buy Noctua\Dark Rock so its minus another 100$, but I thing I would need better RAM, I didnt looked what AMDs like but I heard they are very RAM dependent

 

[5x5]

6 minutes ago, Warak said:

I never upgraded my PC, I always buy everything new, by the time I decide to upgrade all hardware is already too old. Ryzens are pretty new still, so I doubt we would see another generation any time soon. Also 3700x costs almost the same as 9700k, well 50 or so less. 50$ for 4% seems more interesting, on the other hand perhaps new games would be more multithread friendly + I heard Ryzens stock cooler is very good, not much reason to buy Noctua\Dark Rock so its minus another 100$, but I thing I would need better RAM, I didnt looked what AMDs like but I heard they are very RAM dependent

 

Just get a DDR4 3200 kit with lower timings and you're golden. Also, next year we get Zen3 on AM4 as well so upgrade options galore.

[m777y]

2 hours ago, Warak said:

Hi everyone, slowly building new PC, got few questions + just interested in outside opinion, never hurts.

So far it looks like this 

Case - Define C + 2xNF-A14 industrialPPC-2000 PWM, 1x120 NF-F12 industrialPPC-2000 PWM.
MB    - Z390 AORUS PRO
CPU  - I7-9700k + NH-D15S or Dark Rock 4 pro
RAM  - Vengeance LPX CMK32GX4M2B3200C16

SSD  - 970 Evo or Pro

Video - RTX 2080 S or Ti or GTX 770

PSU  - Aerocool P7, Corsair HXi, Corsair RMx, Be quiet Straight Power 11

 

Explanation. As u can see I more or less know what Case, MB, CPU and Ram would be.

CPU cooler, I still thinking, I like Rock, but it doesnt really matter in Define C case, they performance is more or less similar, price is marginally different.

SSD, not sure I need sustained r\w speeds so I think it would be Evos.

Video, Yes, I know 2080ti is very good value, so I guess it would be 2080s, I also thinking to keep 770 for now and wait, heard rumors about Radeons 5900.

PSU, Main question, Iam thinking 750w, all 4 looks good, but Be Quiet calculator shows 850 recommended, Seasonic calculator shows 527 recommended so Iam not sure, 850 seems to much, 527 seems not enough. What do u think?

bequiet dark rock tf