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foxconn forced schoolchildren to work overtime/overnight illegally

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Hundreds of schoolchildren have been drafted in to make Amazon’s Alexa devices in China as part of a controversial and often illegal attempt to meet production targets, documents seen by the Guardian reveal.

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Some of the pupils making Amazon’s Alexa-enabled Echo and Echo Dot devices along with Kindles have been required to work for more than two months to supplement staffing levels at the factory during peak production periods, researchers found. More than 1,000 pupils are employed, aged from 16 to 18.

Chinese factories are allowed to employ students aged 16 and older, but these schoolchildren are not allowed to work nights or overtime.

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Foxconn, which also makes iPhones for Apple, admitted that students had been employed illegally and said it was taking immediate action to fix the situation.

The company said in a statement: “We have doubled the oversight and monitoring of the internship program with each relevant partner school to ensure that, under no circumstances, will interns [be] allowed to work overtime or nights.

“There have been instances in the past where lax oversight on the part of the local management team has allowed this to happen and, while the impacted interns were paid the additional wages associated with these shifts, this is not acceptable and we have taken immediate steps to ensure it will not be repeated.”

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The company defended its use of schoolchildren, however, claiming that “it provides students, who are all of a legal working age, with the opportunity to gain practical work experience and on-the-job training in a number of areas that will support their efforts to find employment following their graduation.”

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Xiao Fang*, 17, started work at the factory on the Amazon Echo production line last month.

Fang, who is studying computing, was given the task of applying a protective film to about 3,000 Echo Dots each day. Speaking to a researcher, she said she was initially told by her teacher that she would be working eight hours a day, five days a week, but that had since changed to 10 hours a day (including two hours’ overtime) for six days a week.

“The lights in the workshop are very bright, so it gets really hot,” she said.

“In the beginning, I wasn’t very used to working at the factory, and now, after working for a month, I have reluctantly adapted to the work. But working 10 hours a day, every day, is very tiring. 

“I tried telling the manager of my line that I didn’t want to work overtime. But the manager notified my teacher and the teacher said if I didn’t work overtime, I could not intern at Foxconn and that would affect my graduation and scholarship applications at the school.

“I had no choice, I could only endure this.”

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According to the documents, Foxconn managers need students, who mostly stay in the factory’s dormitories, to work overtime to meet production targets; those who refuse are let go by the factory, researchers found.

A document states: “Student interns who don’t work overtime will not only affect the production goal but also affect their willingness to work. Student interns need to work overtime.”

The documents were leaked to labour rights group China Labor Watch and shared with the Guardian.

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Company documents show that Foxconn pays interns a total of 16.54 yuan an hour (£1.93) inclusive of overtime and other add-ons, with a basic salary of £1.18 an hour. Experienced agency workers, known as dispatch workers, cost the company 20.18 yuan an hour. The documents also show that Foxconn has cut the rate paid to interns since last year.

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The factory pays schools 500 yuan a month for each pupil they provide. One company document shows agreements with four schools to provide a total of 900 pupils to work in the factory, though other documents outline plans to recruit up to 1,800 interns this year.

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Notes from a meeting to review the intern-hiring policy on 25 July this year reveal that without students the factory may not be able to hit production targets. The meeting was told that students are cheaper to hire than agency workers, which the factory also uses to cover peak production periods as an alternative to hiring regular staff.

The meeting was told that some children were refusing to work nightshifts and overtime, and there was a need for teachers to intervene.

“Nightshift line leaders should check in with student interns and teachers more often, and report back any abnormal situation so that teachers can persuade students to work nightshifts and overtime.”

If children continued to refuse to work the additional hours, the meeting was told that teachers should file a resignation letter on their behalf.

source: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/aug/08/schoolchildren-in-china-work-overnight-to-produce-amazon-alexa-devices

 

I hope that this is over break or something because I don't see how a student can work 8-10 hours a day and go to school. Here in american it is illegal for students to work during school hours but idk if china has a similar law. Also a lot of the students are being forced to work at the factory as their school has mandatory work experience and the only available provider of "internships" is the foxconn factory. The factory paying schools 500 yuan per month for every student they provide is just bribery and should be illegal as well. And china has such a big population why does foxconn have to use school children to met production targets? I think they are just exploiting children for cheaper labor and they can easily staff their positions with adults. I also have doubts that the children are really learning any valuable skills working at the factory. 

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7 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

source: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/aug/08/schoolchildren-in-china-work-overnight-to-produce-amazon-alexa-devices

 

I hope that this is over break or something because I don't see how a student can work 8-10 hours a day and go to school. Here in american it is illegal for students to work during school hours but idk if china has a similar law. Also a lot of the students are being forced to work at the factory as their school has mandatory work experience and the only available provider of "internships" is the foxconn factory. The factory paying schools 500 yuan per month for every student they provide is just bribery and should be illegal as well. And china has such a big population why does foxconn have to use school children to met production targets? I think they are just exploiting children for cheaper labor and they can easily staff their positions with adults. I also have doubts that the children are really learning any valuable skills working at the factory. 

It’s not illegal to work during school hours in America. My senior year of Highschool after lunch I would go to my job. I had a work release so I’m not sure if that bypasses what you are talking about but I also had some friends who did the same but worked IT in the school


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We call this a Sweatshop in the US.

 

But god damn if I want to give up my electronics!!!  Make them work 12h/7d. 


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3 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

It’s not illegal to work during school hours in America. My senior year of Highschool after lunch I would go to my job. I had a work release so I’m not sure if that bypasses what you are talking about but I also had some friends who did the same but worked IT in the school

how long is your lunch time at my school we only got like 50 minutes so with travel time you can only work like 40 or 30 minutes during that time. and i guess maybe it was more of a state law idk

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During my high school years, my Dad had me working a large flooring job at a major clothing store. As per usual with commercial jobs, this was done at night, about 8:00 in the evening to 4:00 in the morning. I still had school during the day too.

 

It was only for two weeks, but that was a lovely time. :/

 


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16 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

how long is your lunch time at my school we only got like 50 minutes so with travel time you can only work like 40 or 30 minutes during that time. and i guess maybe it was more of a state law idk

Our lunch was 50 minutes. But what I was saying is I would only have two classes a day and then from 12 onwards I would be at work until 6 or so


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32 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

how long is your lunch time at my school we only got like 50 minutes so with travel time you can only work like 40 or 30 minutes during that time. and i guess maybe it was more of a state law idk

My school had me work right after lunch for like 2 to 3 hours at a guitar shop in high school.  Many schools in Maryland have a work study program.  This is common and not illegal in the US.  I was taking gym and music theory in the morning, lunch near noon, and then at work or college until the end of the school day.


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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How is it that Foxconn's operations in China havent been burned to the ground yet?


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This is China.  In (for my own example) America we (see also, people who like to get upset about things out of their control but don't actually get upset about things IN their control) get a stick up our ass about all these fallacies that occur but gladly get that next iPhone, Mac, without ACTUALLY giving a shit.

 

I get so tired of people pretending to give a shit.


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This is China.  In (for my own example) America we (see also, people who like to get upset about things out of their control but don't actually get upset about things IN their control) get a stick up our ass about all these fallacies that occur but gladly get that next iPhone, Mac, without ACTUALLY giving a shit.

 

I get so tired of people pretending to give a shit.

You can give a shit and recognize that the problem is systemic and that sadly we depend on these corporations to conduct our daily lives. Change can't come from a boycott by people who have no institutional power.


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

Spoiler

A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

Spoiler

From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

Spoiler

A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

Spoiler

Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

Spoiler

Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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3 minutes ago, Sauron said:

You can give a shit and recognize that the problem is systemic and that sadly we depend on these corporations to conduct our daily lives. Change can't come from a boycott by people who have no institutional power.

Giving a shit, and actually giving a shit are two completely different things.  Plenty of people say they care - but their actions are not in line with their espoused views. 

 

Change can come from my Country.  EASILY.  Its called speaking with your Wallet.  But the same people in this thread that can, but espouse care, wont.  Its a simple fact.  Im not judging or accusing anyone.  THIS thread wouldn't even exist if this had already happened.

 

I care, but I don't care enough not to combat it with my wallet as what they provide is something that helps me get through this grueling life as well.  I may not have the same obstacles they have in China but I have/had plenty of my own.  Im just being accurate with how I feel without shading it a different color to fit in with people who "feel" but do not "act"


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12 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

This is China.  In (for my own example) America we (see also, people who like to get upset about things out of their control but don't actually get upset about things IN their control) get a stick up our ass about all these fallacies that occur but gladly get that next iPhone, Mac, without ACTUALLY giving a shit.

 

I get so tired of people pretending to give a shit.

You are not actually suggesting that people do something. All current society asks is that you get outraged and make people aware. Then you can go on with your day and feel good. 

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You are not actually suggesting that people do something. All current society asks is that you get outraged and make people aware. Then you can go on with your day and feel good. 

Someone who gets it, breathe of fresh air.


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1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

Change can come from my Country.  EASILY.  Its called speaking with your Wallet.

Except no, it can't - because short of living in a forest, naked, there's no amount of consumer boycott that will hit every company that is involved in shady dealings. Furthermore not everyone can afford to buy alternatives, even in the cases where it is possible. You're shifting the blame on the entirely wrong part of the population. If a company does something unethical it's their fault, not their customers'.

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

I care, but I don't care enough not to combat it with my wallet as what they provide is something that helps me get through this grueling life as well.  I may not have the same obstacles they have in China but I have/had plenty of my own.  Im just being accurate with how I feel without shading it a different color to fit in with people who "feel" but do not "act"

Yeah, sooo... how about doing something about it politically instead of saying vOtE wItH yOuR wAlLeTs like these companies want you to say because then they can go on unimpeded?


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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Except no, it can't - because short of living in a forest, naked, there's no amount of consumer boycott that will hit every company that is involved in shady dealings. Furthermore not everyone can afford to buy alternatives, even in the cases where it is possible. You're shifting the blame on the entirely wrong part of the population. If a company does something unethical it's their fault, not their customers'.

Yeah, sooo... how about doing something about it politically instead of saying vOtE wItH yOuR wAlLeTs like these companies want you to say because then they can go on unimpeded?

1.) Buy used, and stop chasing the next new thing (most people in America) your money stays LOCAL.  You just voted with your wallet.

2.) Afford?  The best way to save money is not spend it.  Spending money doesn't make something affordable, it was spent anyways.

3.) I didn't blame anyone in particular unless you MEAN I ALSO BLAME MYSELF because I live in America, and I did, and admitted to it at least unlike...well...majority of Americans.

4.) It is their fault, shame on them - but shame on you (anyone) for espousing its shame but HANDING THEM MONEY FOR THEIR SHAME CREATED WIDGET

5.) Your solution is?  Talk about it?  Get mad then do nothing?  Assume you have no power?  (There is no try, only do)


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3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

1.) Buy used, and stop chasing the next new thing (most people in America) your money stays LOCAL.  You just voted with your wallet.

2.) Afford?  The best way to save money is not spend it.  Spending money doesn't make something affordable, it was spent anyways.

3.) I didn't blame anyone in particular unless you MEAN I ALSO BLAME MYSELF because I live in America, and I did, and admitted to it at least unlike...well...majority of Americans.

4.) It is their fault, shame on them - but shame on you (anyone) for espousing its shame but HANDING THEM MONEY FOR THEIR SHAME CREATED WIDGET

5.) Your solution is?  Talk about it?  Get mad then do nothing?  Assume you have no power?  (There is no try, only do)

There are laws surrounding unethical practices, you don't always have to vote with your wallet, if you do you might miss out on a better product (your loss).

Getting malpractices known by creating noise like we all are doing right now is the best compromise imo. 


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3 minutes ago, Ezio Auditore said:

There are laws surrounding unethical practices, you don't always have to vote with your wallet, if you do you might miss out on a better product (your loss).

Getting malpractices known by creating noise like we all are doing right now is the best compromise imo. 

I don't compromise on something I espouse I actually care about. 

 

You don't have to (vote with your wallet), you are correct - but then again doing the same thing and expecting different results = (insert Insanity here). 

 

If you care about a BETTER PRODUCT but its created by slave labor, or sweatshop labor - you don't actually care about slave/sweat labor.  So no I don't consider something a "loss" when dealing with something I "care" about.  In fact, logically if you DO CARE - you just won by not participating.


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41 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

I don't compromise on something I espouse I actually care about. 

 

You don't have to (vote with your wallet), you are correct - but then again doing the same thing and expecting different results = (insert Insanity here). 

 

If you care about a BETTER PRODUCT but its created by slave labor, or sweatshop labor - you don't actually care about slave/sweat labor.  So no I don't consider something a "loss" when dealing with something I "care" about.  In fact, logically if you DO CARE - you just won by not participating.

What I meant was that eg. foxconn works for apple so will you stop buying apple products? If your answer is yes then I guess that is a different perspective which I respect.


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What I meant was that eg. foxconn works for apple so will you stop buying apple products? If your answer is yes then I guess that is a different perspective which I respect.

Absolutely, IF I espoused that I "cared".  Ive previously espoused in this thread that I don't actually "care" because Electronics is my hobby that helps ME get through the day to day bullshit that is life.  So I will not virtue signal that I do care here to fit in with the crowd that says they "care".

 

As for Apple I boycott their products for a completely different reason (I have never owned a MAC anything or an iXXXX anything) but has nothing to do with their chosen manufacturers (basically price vs what you are getting, its just a name you are buying, blah blah blah etc etc).


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Don't get me wrong, it pangs my heart to hear about this stuff.  But to say I care in the same breath that I swipe my card to purchase these items - is a lie in reality.  I don't necessarily like it, however there are a lot of things I don't like but I've chosen not to make my "Crusade".  I "Crusade" for things that I truly care about.


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My sis worked 12hr sifts wile in school. She did this willing. Just saying.

 

But still were are talking about foxconn, the same company that had to put anti suicide nets on it buildings.

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But still were are talking about foxconn, the same company that had to put anti suicide nets on it buildings.

And the Isheep got outraged then bought the next IPhone. 

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2 hours ago, Tristerin said:

1.) Buy used, and stop chasing the next new thing (most people in America) your money stays LOCAL.  You just voted with your wallet.

2.) Afford?  The best way to save money is not spend it.  Spending money doesn't make something affordable, it was spent anyways.

3.) I didn't blame anyone in particular unless you MEAN I ALSO BLAME MYSELF because I live in America, and I did, and admitted to it at least unlike...well...majority of Americans.

4.) It is their fault, shame on them - but shame on you (anyone) for espousing its shame but HANDING THEM MONEY FOR THEIR SHAME CREATED WIDGET

5.) Your solution is?  Talk about it?  Get mad then do nothing?  Assume you have no power?  (There is no try, only do)

1) Not a solution, for something to be used someone must have bought it new; not to mention that many things that are produced unethically cannot be reused. Staying "local" is also not a thing, virtually all electronics are made with materials that come from exploitative companies.

2) Oh, so if you're short on money you shouldn't buy clothes, food...? What are you even saying?

3) Uhm, again, wrong target - it's not your fault. What is your fault is insisting on this point, but that's another matter entirely.

4) Again, you don't have a choice in western society. You can cut down on some of these products but never on all of them, unless again you go live naked in a forest. Almost everything on the market is in some way the product of exploitation.

5) My solution is to hold the corporations that profit from this accountable, legally. I can't do it directly, but I can vote and protest; if enough people do it then eventually (hopefully) there will be change. Unfortunately it's not the only thing that corporations should be held accountable for - it's just another point in a very long list that the "vote with your wallet" crowd refuses to address properly because of an unfounded belief that the market will magically regulate itself.


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Giving a shit, and actually giving a shit are two completely different things.  Plenty of people say they care - but their actions are not in line with their espoused views. 

 

Change can come from my Country.  EASILY.  Its called speaking with your Wallet.  But the same people in this thread that can, but espouse care, wont.  Its a simple fact.  Im not judging or accusing anyone.  THIS thread wouldn't even exist if this had already happened.

 

I care, but I don't care enough not to combat it with my wallet as what they provide is something that helps me get through this grueling life as well.  I may not have the same obstacles they have in China but I have/had plenty of my own.  Im just being accurate with how I feel without shading it a different color to fit in with people who "feel" but do not "act"

 

Good luck getting away from Foxconn when using electronics. They are the single largest electronics manufacturer on the planet and not by a small margin. General consumers not buying their stuff is not only near impossible, but also does exactly jack shit.

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