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Huawei announced their new Operating System: HarmonyOS (HongmengOS)

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Everyones favorite chinese smart device manufactorer Huawei has announced their new operating system: HongmengOS, also known as HarmonyOS.

 

Modularized, open source operating system developed by them since 2012 aimed to be Android alternative.

 

New operating system will also take off major amount of pressure from Huawei with possible US sanctions effecting them in the future  too.

Sanctions would not have any effect on using this operating system.

 

According to Huawei HarmonyOS is

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"the first microkernel-based distributed OS for all scenarios"

Cross-platform support includes smartphones, smartwatches, computers and other smart apparel and virtually any iot-devices you could possibly think of.

 

This is very interesting move from Huawei with all the recent accusations on spying - releasing the new operating system as Open Source will do wonders to alleviate

any possible concerns and call the "they're spying" accusation bluff quite majorly.

 

https://twitter.com/HuaweiMobile/status/1159730902341234688?s=20

https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-harmonyos-1017511/

https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/09/harmonyos-huawei-release/

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32 minutes ago, Furiku said:

This is very interesting move from Huawei with all the recent accusations on spying - releasing the new operating system as Open Source will do wonders to alleviate

any possible concerns and call the "they're spying" accusation bluff quite majorly.

That's not how it works at all, as with Google on the Pixel phones they will have a forked copy of the source code with their own customisations. They could at that point add backdoors/spying.

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12 minutes ago, leadeater said:

0.000000000000000000000000000000000001%

LOL but seriously they claimed to have pruned it down like shaving the wool of a sheep that hasn't been shorn for 5 years ._.

 

although “one-thousandth the amount of code in the Linux kernel” doesn't translate to how big the resultant firmware actually is

EDIT: i think ._.

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29 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

wonder if someone's analysing the open source code right now o_o to get an idea of what's different from android

It's called something else


Judge the product by it's own merits, not by the Company that created it.

 

 

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I’d love to see this perform much better than Android and in the future fully replace it all because they said no we don’t wanna


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I hope its free of Google code and has no backdoors and XDA devs adopt it


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2 minutes ago, JohnMc45 said:

Where some of the accusations not that Huawei was spying with the hardware not the software?  

Most of it was software based from what I've read but I'm sure there are some hardware based accusations floating around out there as well.

If they wanted to step up their game they probably could but in most cases from what I've heard they don't give a damn about issues [at least] with their network equipment. Seen several stories about people/companies reporting serious bugs and them "fixing" the issue by just moving the affected code to a different location or changing code slightly but leaving the underlying issue there without fixing it. I think I saw one report recently that called them out on leaving most issues unfixed or only half fixed which in itself leads to vulnerabilities to outside malicious actors. I wouldn't call that necessarily malicious but it's definitely suspicious and lazy at best.


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1 hour ago, Lurick said:

Seen several stories about people/companies reporting serious bugs and them "fixing" the issue by just moving the affected code to a different location or changing code slightly but leaving the underlying issue there without fixing it. I think I saw one report recently that called them out on leaving most issues unfixed or only half fixed which in itself leads to vulnerabilities to outside malicious actors. I wouldn't call that necessarily malicious but it's definitely suspicious and lazy at best.

man that's a big one that needs serious proof o_o i mean i wouldn't be surprised that it's being done, but not at the scale of a megacorporation...

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Nobody is going to adopt this OS any more than anyone will adopt Tizen (Samsung) or WebOS (LG), so keep dreaming Huawei. All the third party Android vendors want to drop Android so they can get people to buy from their own store, and existing alternatives (eg Tizen) have lots of security issues that the company doesn't care about until it's embarrassed in public about it. They all know Android is bad for their long term business, but have no Android exit plan unless Google forces it on them.

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24 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

man that's a big one that needs serious proof o_o i mean i wouldn't be surprised that it's being done, but not at the scale of a megacorporation...

Yah, I'll try to dig up some articles on it post them here later if I can find them.


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9 minutes ago, Kisai said:

Nobody is going to adopt this OS any more than anyone will adopt Tizen (Samsung) or WebOS (LG)

Actually if it's open-source (which it is), verified by independent security experts (which it hopefully will be) and has a third-party app store such as f-droid (fingers crossed ...), I'd be more than happy to remove Lineage OS from my S9+ and give Harmony OS a try.

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Anything that will challenge the iOS-Android duopoly, I'd like to see it. I hope they don't repeat Microsoft's mistakes with Windows Phone.


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3 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

Actually if it's open-source (which it is), verified by independent security experts (which it hopefully will be) and has a third-party app store such as f-droid (fingers crossed ...), I'd be more than happy to remove Lineage OS from my S9+ and give Harmony OS a try.

You do realize that Tizen and WebOS are Open source too right? Open source doesn't guarantee anything other than being able to fork it if the developers abandon it. Hardware developers aren't going to write the drivers for an OS they don't support. They all want to cut Google out so they don't have Google siphoning off money via the app store that they themselves want. Good luck.

 

Microsoft's issue is that they had an existing platform and dumped it, and acquired one (Symbian) and dumped it, for no reason. The market, pre-iPhone used to be split between Blackberry and Microsoft devices in the early 3G days. Blackberry only got where it was because the previous devices used their own paging network, and Microsoft developed Windows CE explicitly for "handheld touch screen pc's", but didn't really embrace the touch screen as a native UX. So most Blackberry, Palm and WindowsCE/Mobile devices were just very expensive WiFi/3G replacements for day-planner/email clients, and the app ecosystems of these devices, were fairly large, but no unifying store, and a lot of developers just having no support for their purchased apps is ultimately how we wound up here.

 

Microsoft could have completely owned the mobile OS market had it created an "app store" in 2003. Hindsight.

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1 hour ago, aham1 said:

How much do you bet that the source code and what is on the phone is not 100% the same?

I mean this is how it works for Android. AOSP is not what's running on 99% of phones


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3 hours ago, Kisai said:

Nobody is going to adopt this OS any more than anyone will adopt Tizen (Samsung) or WebOS (LG), so keep dreaming Huawei. All the third party Android vendors want to drop Android so they can get people to buy from their own store, and existing alternatives (eg Tizen) have lots of security issues that the company doesn't care about until it's embarrassed in public about it. They all know Android is bad for their long term business, but have no Android exit plan unless Google forces it on them.

The Chinese market alone will pretty much gurantee adoption in the hundreds of millions and widespread developer support.
Samsung or LG need global market support as the Korean domestic market alone is too small to rival Google, but Huawai doesn't, they can dominate without even needing to sell a single phone in North America.

You can bet that all the Chinese gaints will heavily support this like Tencent and those companies have their hands in nearly everything.


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Honestly I would have absolutely no problem using HarmonyOS. From what I've seen of it, it seems rather good. And the fact that it natively supports running Android apps means it could do quite well, unless you need Google Services. But then again, if Huawei have any intention of launching it in the EU, the EU will probably force Google into supporting it.

Speaking of that, if you use ANY Google service, then in my eyes you have no right to complain about privacy concerns.

 

Let's be real here, the ONLY reason the American government don't like Huawei is because they can't control the spying,

 


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4 minutes ago, yolosnail said:

Let's be real here, the ONLY reason the American government don't like Huawei is because they can't control the spying,

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I'm willing to bet that there's at least 1 backdoor in HarmonyOS lol, chinese companies really lost my trust after Xiaomi and stuff

 

Also does HarmonyOS have android app compatibility?

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I'll definitely be interested in trying it out... When is the release date?


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8 hours ago, ACatWithThumbs said:

The Chinese market alone will pretty much gurantee adoption in the hundreds of millions and widespread developer support.
Samsung or LG need global market support as the Korean domestic market alone is too small to rival Google, but Huawai doesn't, they can dominate without even needing to sell a single phone in North America.

You can bet that all the Chinese gaints will heavily support this like Tencent and those companies have their hands in nearly everything.

It's more likely that only if Chinese mobile operators will be forced to only use phones running Harmony OS, backdoors and all. There's precedent for this. Red Flag Linux (now defunct), and Kylin doesn't displace MS Windows, just like any version of Linux hasn't displaced Windows anywhere else in the world unless the government forces it to, like Munich Germany.

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