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Intel gets EPYC-ally annihilated - Benchmarks & Testing (2x 64 "ROME" cores)

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Today AMD has lifted the embargo (by the looks of things) on the Zen 2 EPYC chips and we're lucky enough that Anandtech has a deep dive on the MASSIVE, industry leading, 64 core chips. 

 

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There's way too much to cover in a post here, but if you're interested take a look at the source link but I'll leave you here with this teaser for the SPEC CPU2006 estimates..

2P SPEC CPU2006 Estimates
Subtest Xeon
8176
EPYC
7601
EPYC
7742
EPYC
7742
Zen2
vs
Zen1
EPYC
7742
Vs
Xeon

 
Cores 56C 64C 128C    
Frequency 2.8 G 2.7G 2.5-3.2G 2.5-3.2G    
GCC 7.4 7.4 7.4 8.3 7.4 7.4
400.perlbench 1980 2020 4680 4820 +132% +136%
401.bzip2 1120 1280 3220 3250 +152% +188%
403.gcc 1300 1400 3540 3540 +153% +172%
429.mcf 927 837 1540 1540 +84% +66%
445.gobmk 1500 1780 4160 4170 +134% +177%
456.hmmer 1580 1700 3320 6480 +95% +110%
458.sjeng 1570 1820 3860 3900 +112% +146%
462.libquantum 870 1060 1180 1180 +11% +36%
464.h264ref 2670 2680 6400 6400 +139% +140%
471.omnetpp 756 705 (*) 1520 1510 +116% +101%
473.astar 976 1080 1550 1550 +44% +59%
483.xalancbmk 1310 1240 2870 2870 +131% +119%

 

BUT WAIT, WHAT ABOUT AVX-512?

 

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Even without AVX-512 and optimal AVX optimization, the 7742 is already offering the same kind of performance as an ultra optimized Intel binary on top of the top of the line Xeon 8280. When do an apples-to-apples comparison, the EPYC 7742 is no less than 43% faster. 

 

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For those with little time: at the high end with socketed x86 CPUs, AMD offers you up to 50 to 100% higher performance while offering at a 40% lower price. Unless you go for the low end server CPUs, there is no contest: AMD offers much better performance for a much lower price than Intel, with more memory channels and over 2x the number of PCIe lanes. These are also PCIe 4.0 lanes. What if you want to more than 2 TB of RAM in your dual socket server? The discount in favor of AMD just became 50%.

 

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So has AMD done the unthinkable? Beaten Intel by such a large margin that there is no contest? For now, based on our preliminary testing, that is the case. The launch of AMD's second generation EPYC processors is nothing short of historic, beating the competition by a large margin in almost every metric: performance, performance per watt and performance per dollar.  

 

I'm truly excited to see what these are capable of in a deployed environment and it's encouraging to see the design wins that AMD has claimed in the last 1-2 years with their Zen architecture. It'll be interesting to see how many monolithic CPUs Intel can glue together to combat this. 

 

My favorite comment from AMD:

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"We designed this part to compete with Ice Lake, expecting to make some headway on single threaded performance. We did not expect to be facing re-warmed Skylake instead. This is going to be one of the highlights of our careers"

 

Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14694/amd-rome-epyc-2nd-gen?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dlvr.it

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That's .... Epyc

 

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Intel will have to rely on their strong industry partnerships and longterm relationships with Dell, HP etc to  minimize the server market share change that happens in the next two years. They have to make sure that the big vendors do not offer or promote too many AMD models.

 

AMD has a superior product now, how it sells depends on whether the vendors and system integraters recommend them to customers.

 

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at the high end with socketed x86 CPUs, AMD offers you up to 50 to 100% higher performance while offering at a 40% lower price. Unless you go for the low end server CPUs, there is no contest: AMD offers much better performance for a much lower price than Intel, with more memory channels and over 2x the number of PCIe lanes. These are also PCIe 4.0 lanes. What if you want to more than 2 TB of RAM in your dual socket server? The discount in favor of AMD just became 50%. 

 

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Zen 2 is really something, pretty sick to see AMD smash Intels face in here.

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These scores are really something. Intel will probably try to do something shady to attempt to keep their position in the market. 

Unless there are some big asterisks to those numbers, I don't see a reason not to get a AMD server. 

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27 minutes ago, matrix07012 said:

These scores are really something. Intel will probably try to do something shady to attempt to keep their position in the market. 

Unless there are some big asterisks to those numbers, I don't see a reason not to get a AMD server. 

Intel still holds single thread performance in some applications by a small margin, but also their L3 is faster so for some applications they may be faster particularly where latency rather than simple raw power is important. 

 

Mem
Hierarchy
>AMD EPYC 7742
>DDR4-3200
AMD EPYC 7601
DDR4-2400
Intel Xeon S
DDR4-2666
Intel Xeon E5-2699v4
DDR4-2400
L1 Cache cycles 4 cycles 4 cycles 4 cycles 4 cycles
L2 Cache cycles  12 cycles 12 cycles 14-22 cycles 12-15 cycles
L3 Cache 2 MB 14 ns 14 ns 22 ns 21 ns
4 MB 14 ns 15 ns 24 ns 21 ns
8 MB 22 ns 44 ns 29 ns 21 ns
16-32 MB 73-132 ns 88-92 ns 29-37 ns 33-79 ns
DRAM 
384-512 MB
158-163 (nps = 4)
161-168 ns (worst)
96-98 ns 89-91 ns 95 ns

 

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... But database performance might still suffer somewhat. For example keeping a large part of the index in the cache improve performance, and especially OLTP accesses tend to quite random. Secondly the relatively slow communication over a central hub slow down synchronization communication. That is a real thing is shown by the fact that Intel states that the OLTP hammerDB runs 60% faster on a 28-core Intel Xeon 8280 than on EPYC 7601 (last gen EPYC, Zen 1). We were not able to check it before the deadline, but it seems reasonable. 

 

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4 hours ago, Humbug said:

relationships with Dell, HP

The CTOs of both Dell and HP were at the presentation pushing Epyc :P they aren't stupid and you'd have to be stupid to get a high end xeon right now.

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2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

The CTOs of both Dell and HP were at the presentation pushing Epyc :P they aren't stupid and you'd have to be stupid to get a high end xeon right now.

Depends, there are a lot of cases where'd you have to while you wait/plan for a more major upgrade. If we wanted to add 2-4 servers to our ESXi cluster EPYC isn't an option. If we are going to replace 20+ then EPYC is an option.

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1 hour ago, Belgarathian said:

Intel still holds single thread performance in some applications by a small margin, but also their L3 is faster so for some applications they may be faster particularly where latency rather than simple raw power is important. 

We'll have to see if that actually makes a difference given the significantly larger cache AMD offers. Also who buys a 28 core cpu for single thread performance?

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Just now, leadeater said:

Depends, there are a lot of cases where'd you have to while you wait/plan for a more major upgrade. If we wanted to add 2-4 servers to our ESXi cluster EPYC isn't an option. If we are going to replace 20+ then EPYC is an option.

Well sure, I'm talking about new installations - of course the enterprise will take some time to actually be able to use something that just launched.

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AMD for sure have a window of opportunity here, just like on desktop. Businesses don't really move fast when it comes to updating/replacing their servers. Intel's 10nm server CPUs are supposed to be 1H next year, and it remains to be seen what they can deliver.

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6 hours ago, Sauron said:

The CTOs of both Dell and HP were at the presentation pushing Epyc :P they aren't stupid and you'd have to be stupid to get a high end xeon right now.

the dell relationship from what i saw seemed pretty flimsy 

zen 3's design is complete, zen 4 on track yesterday was a good day for amd 

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21 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

for those that watched the stream :) 

I need someone to clip that out of the video. The corporate monotone to full out victory scream back to monotone was amazing.

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https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/133244-amd-epyc-7742-2p-rome-server/?page=7

 

2 7742's got a score of 31,179 in Cinebench R20

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Oh, if you thought your PC was fast, the Daytona 2P system scores a whopping 31,179 marks in the multi-core Cinebench R20 test under Windows 10

 

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7 hours ago, Sauron said:

We'll have to see if that actually makes a difference given the significantly larger cache AMD offers. Also who buys a 28 core cpu for single thread performance?

 

7 hours ago, leadeater said:

Depends, there are a lot of cases where'd you have to while you wait/plan for a more major upgrade. If we wanted to add 2-4 servers to our ESXi cluster EPYC isn't an option. If we are going to replace 20+ then EPYC is an option.

didnt intel just announce copper lake with 56 cores? 2 days ago?

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17 minutes ago, pas008 said:

 

didnt intel just announce copper lake with 56 cores? 2 days ago?

Yes. Only available in 2S and costs a heck of a lot of money with a very high TDP. There are a few use cases it would be better, but honestly in general it seems like EPYC will be the best option.

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