Posted August 6, 2019 Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-06/laws-banning-mobile-payments-at-drive-thrus-provokes-motorist/11384228 " A Victoria Police social media post reiterating the illegalities of using a mobile phone to pay for an order in a drive-through restaurant has sparked a backlash online " Australians are being fined up to " $484 and the loss of four demerit points" for using pay-wave on their phones at fast-food drive-throughs. the backlash came after a facebook post from victoria police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 as pedantic as it is (any cop fining for that is a tosser), it does highlight how technology is moving too fast for laws to keep up. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 Let's make it handsfree. Maybe an nfc chip in the car? And a confirmation to pay by using the car controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, mr moose said: as pedantic as it is (any cop fining for that is a tosser), it does highlight how technology is moving too fast for laws to keep up. It doesn't help that fast food drive ways are counted as carriage ways by police. Even though they are private property. "We also blind small animals with cosmetics. We do not sell cosmetics. We just blind animals." "Please don't mistake us for Equifax. Those fuckers are evil" This PSA brought to you by Equifacks. PMSL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 So is buying an old car with a corded phone legal then? It's not a 'mobile phone', the car is mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 I don't know the details of the law, but if this were the UK, drive throughs would be on private land and the laws that apply to public highways probably would not be enforceable. Edit: 1 minute ago, Dabombinable said: It doesn't help that fast food drive ways are counted as carriage ways by police. Even though they are private property. Main system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, Corsair Vengeance Pro 3200 3x 16GB 2R, RTX 3070, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, Acer Predator XB241YU 24" 1440p 144Hz G-Sync + HP LP2475w 24" 1200p 60Hz wide gamut Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 Just now, porina said: I don't know the details of the law, but if this were the UK, drive throughs would be on private land and the laws that apply to public highways probably would not be enforceable. It's all in the interpretation of the laws by the police (or individual officers). I see where they're coming from, but they are still being ridiculous. "We also blind small animals with cosmetics. We do not sell cosmetics. We just blind animals." "Please don't mistake us for Equifax. Those fuckers are evil" This PSA brought to you by Equifacks. PMSL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 Just now, Dabombinable said: It doesn't help that fast food drive ways are counted as carriage ways by police. Even though they are private property. It has always been like that, In fact any property open to the public is considered public property for sake of law not just road laws. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 So, in Australia, you're legally required to turn the car off to use a phone's Mobile Pay system, but you can hand cash or credit card and it's fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 fuck off ◒ ◒ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, mr moose said: It has always been like that, In fact any property open to the public is considered public property for sake of law not just road laws. When the road is privately maintained, the car is stopped while the person is making the transaction, and there are far more distracting things going on (eg. Actually getting food through the window and turning around to put it aside), there still needs to be exceptions/exemptions. Edit: AKA, they are just chasing that sweet fine revenue presently. "We also blind small animals with cosmetics. We do not sell cosmetics. We just blind animals." "Please don't mistake us for Equifax. Those fuckers are evil" This PSA brought to you by Equifacks. PMSL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said: So, in Australia, you're legally required to turn the car off to use a phone's Mobile Pay system, but you can hand cash or credit card and it's fine? Yes, it's the same in NZ too. It's illegal to use a mobile phone while driving, hence the "we consider a drive through a legal road so it's illegal" comes in. Stupid yes, but that isn't actually the intention of that law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, leadeater said: Yes, it's the same in NZ too. It's illegal to use a mobile phone while driving, hence the "we consider a drive through a legal road so it's illegal" comes in. Stupid yes, but that isn't actually the intention of that law. If anyone gets caught for this, they could fight it. Of course, that would only be applicable if the law regarding where it happens is on their side, and legal advice should be taken. Main system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, Corsair Vengeance Pro 3200 3x 16GB 2R, RTX 3070, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, Acer Predator XB241YU 24" 1440p 144Hz G-Sync + HP LP2475w 24" 1200p 60Hz wide gamut Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dabombinable said: When the road is privately maintained, the car is stopped while the person is making the transaction, and there are far more distracting things going on (eg. Actually getting food through the window and turning around to put it aside), there still needs to be exceptions/exemptions. I'm not saying there shouldn't be an exception, they definitely need to update the law. I am just pointing out that the law applies to privately owned and privately maintained roads where the public have open access to them. It is not a new interpretation from the police force but actually defined as such in law. This is why they can arrest you for having an open alcoholic beverage or disturbing the peace in a shopping center (which is privately owned). http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/vic/consol_act/soa1966189/s3.html Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, porina said: If anyone gets caught for this, they could fight it. Of course, that would only be applicable if the law regarding where it happens is on their side, and legal advice should be taken. Any officer who actually issues an infringement for it, without a bloody good reason, is a giant prick. So much so they should receive an award for it and go on morning TV tour to publicise their achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 1 minute ago, leadeater said: Any officer who actually issues an infringement for it, without a bloody good reason, is a giant prick. So much so they should receive an award for it and go on morning TV tour to publicise their achievement. I am wondering if the police didn't raise the issue because technology needs addressing in law in general and this is the best example to get the public thinking/talking. Because asking our politicians to do something that isn't self serving is kinda pointless. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 I don't think anyone would use the phone payment anyway, when you usually just use change in your car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 That's just straight up ass fuckery. If they are this pedantic to bitch about mobile phone usage in a god damn car (while standing next to a drive through window at the restaurant?!?!?!?!), I guess it's ok then to have a full on lunch while driving. Coz nothing in the law states anywhere that you can't have a 5 course launch while driving. Aussies, go home, you're all drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 It's surely practically unenforcable. They're probably re-iterating it so that most people that do abide by most of the law take it as an extra safety step. Driving whilst using a mobile is a bit of an epidemic at the moment, this is probably just to try and get the figures down a bit. Some people will see this, realise that the laws are a bit stricter than they thought and might think twice more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 Hold on, people actually use drive throughs? Do people not realise they always give you less food than if you actually went in and picked it up! As for the drive through being classified as a road, that law is probably only there to give the police authority on privately owned toll roads and they're just stretching the meaning for that sweet $484 fine! Laptop: Spoiler HP OMEN 15 - Intel Core i7 9750H, 16GB DDR4, 512GB NVMe SSD, Nvidia RTX 2060, 15.6" 1080p 144Hz IPS display PC: Spoiler Vacancy - Looking for applicants, please send CV Mac: Spoiler 2009 Mac Pro 8 Core - 2 x Xeon E5520, 16GB DDR3 1333 ECC, 120GB SATA SSD, AMD Radeon 7850. Soon to be upgraded to 2 x 6 Core Xeons Phones: Spoiler LG G6 - Platinum (The best colour of any phone, period) LG G7 - Moroccan Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, SADS said: It's surely practically unenforcable. They're probably re-iterating it so that most people that do abide by most of the law take it as an extra safety step. Driving whilst using a mobile is a bit of an epidemic at the moment, this is probably just to try and get the figures down a bit. Some people will see this, realise that the laws are a bit stricter than they thought and might think twice more often. You will see cops at maccas drive through in coming month. Magical Pineapples
