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Searching for a Laptop for School and Travel.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I am looking to buy a new Laptop for school and travel.

My main use cases are programming and School (OneNote, Word, Excel, Eclipse, VS, VSCode), though it would be nice, if some games would run on the Laptop, thinking of a 1060 or 1660 here.

My Price range ist 1500€, wich is roughly 1700$, and lower.

Cpu should be quite decent with good thermals. I don't care if it's intel or AMD tbh, it should just be a good deal.

Ram is pref 16GB dual Channel, but 8 GB would be fine as well.

GPU is a tough one. I want to be able to at least play league and maybe some emulators on the thing, but this should not have a huge impact on battery life and sound level. considering 1060 or 1660 here.

One thing I was wondering is, if there is some kind of technology that only utalizes the card if needed, so it doesn't suck up power all the time. Or is this already common on laptops ?

If not avoidable I can go without a GPU though.

Keyboard Layout should have a German Option. It should also be good to type on.

Battery life should be as high as possible. On normal things (One Note, VSCode, surfing the web, putty), it should have at least 8-10 hours of battery life. But higher is always better. Under load, it can be less ofc. Hotswop able would also be a plus.

Can have a prebuilt SSD, but doesnt have to, if price is substantially increased by it. If buying the ssd yourself and exchanging it is cheaper, I can do that. But in the end I want an SSD 100%.

Noise should be close to 0, at least when not under load, but preferably at all times, as this will be used in school and on the train.

Screen is pretty easy, 1080p, 2 or 4k doesn't really matter. I'll take 4k, or 2k, but it's not necessary. Though the Screen should have at least a decent color saturation and should not be reflective too much. IPS is totally an option here as reaction time doesn't matter at all. So TN is pretty much out.

The Laptop should be under 15" and below 2KG, as I am gonna carry it around a lot.

Now OS is another thing I am quite unsure about. I would love to have Linux on this machine, though I am not sure if I can do that since OneNote is a programm I use a lot. Maybe dual Boot would be an Option, but the laptop should pref ship without an OS, or Linux. I don't want to pay extra for Windows as I can install it myself and get a cheap key if needed.

 

I would like to go with a Think Pad from Lenovo, as I really enjoy the Keyboard and stuff, but this is only a preference.

 

Now you can tell me, that what I am looking for doesn't exist, or if there is something close to my preferences.

If there is nothing that fits my needs, I will also be thankful for advice on where I will have to give in. What is not debatable is that it should be quiet and the ssd and size/weight.

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what you are describing isnt real, unfortunately. but ican give you pretty close one.

you are needed the 1060 at least graphic. above 1060 battery oly last maximum to 4-5 hour some of them 6. even at higher price range. and for 1060 under 15'' and below 2KG???? most of laptop under 2KG only has one fan and mostly ultrabook with at least 1050 or mx 150.

 

look for msi gs stealth for 1060 gaming.

 

if you giving up 1060

 you can get all your preference without able to game decent.

like Dell xps13

razer blade stealth

Zenbook ux333

 

- Alternative

using EGPU and Ultrabook

 

 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------    Spec: Asus Vivobook S140UN    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

| CPU: i5-8250U Turbo 3.4Ghz | 

| RAM: 8 single-channel DDR4 2333mhz |

| Storage: 128GB Sandisk SSD + 1TB HTSG HDD

 | GPU: MX-150 4Gb 25 TDP |

| Monitor: LGMK430H-B |

| Audio: JBL 450BT Wireless Headset |

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15 minutes ago, Shadow01 said:

One thing I was wondering is, if there is some kind of technology that only utalizes the card if needed, so it doesn't suck up power all the time. Or is this already common on laptops ?

Yes - if Nvidia GPU it's called Optimus

15 minutes ago, Shadow01 said:

at least 8-10 hours of battery life

Max GPU you can get is 1650MQ if you want such long battery life. Which is behind 1060


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Posted · Original PosterOP
5 hours ago, Wolfycapt said:

what you are describing isnt real, unfortunately. but ican give you pretty close one.

you are needed the 1060 at least graphic. above 1060 battery oly last maximum to 4-5 hour some of them 6. even at higher price range. and for 1060 under 15'' and below 2KG???? most of laptop under 2KG only has one fan and mostly ultrabook with at least 1050 or mx 150.

 

look for msi gs stealth for 1060 gaming.

 

if you giving up 1060

 you can get all your preference without able to game decent.

like Dell xps13

razer blade stealth

Zenbook ux333

 

- Alternative

using EGPU and Ultrabook

 

 

Holy Shit I didn't realise that the Razer Blade Stealth was this "cheap". I thought Razers Laptops started 2k and up. I am guessing, the upgrade for the 4k Screen is not worth it, but is the Upgrade for the MX150 ? Can the Intel IG or the MX150 handle league and some emulator stuff at 60fps ?

The other 2 options also look good.

Do you have experience with the Razer Blade Stealth, is the SSD upgradeable, or can a 2. ssd be installed ?

The Razer Blade Stealth is a bit on the expensive side here, since I could get a Zenbook for under 1K€, but it might be worth it considering the Keyboard and chassis.

Dell tells me the XPS 13 is not sold anymore ? Kinda confusing.

I also found the Lenovo Thinkpad L580. I don't know if 15" is too much, seems ok but 2Kg might be a bit heavy.

Can you suggest some Thinkpads that might fit ? I am kinda overwhelmed by the sheer amount of laptops those guys sell, + the sheer amount of config options afterwards.

Another Interesting thing I saw was Thinkpads with LTE Slots, does this mean that you can just get a 2. Sim from your mobile ISP and put it into the laptop ? Would be kinda neat actually.

I have never owned a Thinkpad before, though I have used a very old one before and found it to be very nice.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
9 hours ago, GeneXiS_X said:

Yes - if Nvidia GPU it's called Optimus

Max GPU you can get is 1650MQ if you want such long battery life. Which is behind 1060

I am really negatively biased when it comes to m cards, since I currently own the MSI GL72 6QF and I want to sell it. It has a 960m. The 960m is not good, but it takes a lot of battery life. The Laptop is also heavy and big. That's why I wanna swap.

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2 hours ago, Shadow01 said:

I am really negatively biased when it comes to m cards

If you don't want Max-Q cards then consider changing your requirements on GPU/battery life

2 hours ago, Shadow01 said:

Razer Blade Stealth

Avoid Razer laptops


Feel free to ask for recommendations if you're looking for a new lappy!

 

My daily driver: Lenovo Legion Y530 [REVIEW]

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Posted · Original PosterOP
7 hours ago, GeneXiS_X said:

If you don't want Max-Q cards then consider changing your requirements on GPU/battery life

Avoid Razer laptops

Yes I have decided against a graphics card. What is bad about Razer Laptops ?

I have heard good things about them and use a Black widow Chroma and a Naga 2019 for my Home PC.

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1 hour ago, Shadow01 said:

Yes I have decided against a graphics card. What is bad about Razer Laptops ?

So you don't want GPU?

 

Bad QC+QA


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Posted · Original PosterOP
9 hours ago, GeneXiS_X said:

So you don't want GPU?

 

Bad QC+QA

No, it's not as important.to have a GPU.

I personally own a black widow chroma and a razer naga 2019 and I have no problems with them, though It could be quite different for laptops.

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Go for business grade laptops - Thinkpad P/T/X series, Latitude 7000 series, Elitebook 800 series (except convertible models)

 

Note that some models have non-upgradeable RAM or single channel RAM or both


Feel free to ask for recommendations if you're looking for a new lappy!

 

My daily driver: Lenovo Legion Y530 [REVIEW]

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Posted · Original PosterOP
On 8/7/2019 at 2:54 PM, GeneXiS_X said:

Go for business grade laptops - Thinkpad P/T/X series, Latitude 7000 series, Elitebook 800 series (except convertible models)

 

Note that some models have non-upgradeable RAM or single channel RAM or both

Can you recommend the E595 or E495 ?
They both seem very good for the price.

I got one Question though, why is the Ryzen 7 3700U more expensive than the Ryzen 5 3500U even though they have nearly the same performance ?

Same Thing with Vega 8 vs Vega 10, why is the Vega 8 sometimes even better than the Vega 10 ?

I heard, that Lenovo puts the 16GB as one Dimm on the Board, which means that the iGPU can not utalize Dual Channel, can I just order the laptop with 8GB and an extra 8GB DDR4 Dimm with the same frequenzy and put it in the 2. slot ?

Also is the m.2 exchangeable ?

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16 hours ago, Shadow01 said:

Can you recommend the E595 or E495 ?
They both seem very good for the price

Yes, however they are consumer grade instead of business grade

16 hours ago, Shadow01 said:

I got one Question though, why is the Ryzen 7 3700U more expensive than the Ryzen 5 3500U even though they have nearly the same performance ?

Because the naming. Though it has slightly better iGPU

16 hours ago, Shadow01 said:

I heard, that Lenovo puts the 16GB as one Dimm on the Board, which means that the iGPU can not utalize Dual Channel, can I just order the laptop with 8GB and an extra 8GB DDR4 Dimm with the same frequenzy and put it in the 2. slot ?

Also is the m.2 exchangeable ?

You can customize it. Usually RAM upgrade is expensive from website, would suggest getting 8GB from factory then add another 8GB by yourself (which is exactly what you've said)

 

You can take out the M.2 SSD of course, however idk why you want to do that


Feel free to ask for recommendations if you're looking for a new lappy!

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
13 minutes ago, GeneXiS_X said:

Yes, however they are consumer grade instead of business grade

Because the naming. Though it has slightly better iGPU

You can customize it. Usually RAM upgrade is expensive from website, would suggest getting 8GB from factory then add another 8GB by yourself (which is exactly what you've said)

 

You can take out the M.2 SSD of course, however idk why you want to do that

https://geizhals.eu/?cat=WL-1279210

I am looking to get this configuration rn, I'd swap out the Ram and the SSD and sell the old stuff. Considering the TSeries is like 500€ more for the same device, I think I'll go with this. Even though I don't understand why the E595 doesn't have a fingerprint reader like the e590

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1 minute ago, Shadow01 said:

You should add a 2.5 inch SSD imo. A good SATA SSD is enough, plus you don't have to take out the original one

 

Just get the cheapest 2400MHz CL17 RAM


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Just now, GeneXiS_X said:

You should add a 2.5 inch SSD imo. A good SATA SSD is enough, plus you don't have to take out the original one

 

Just get the cheapest 2400MHz CL17 RAM

Why not 2666 ? Do you think 2400 is enough ?

Would it work to just slip in another stick with 2400 in addition to the one already in there ?

Yeah I'll think about the SSD thing, but considering a 1tb Sata SSD costs 100€ here in Germany rn, I think the M.2 might be worth it for 40€ more.

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Just now, Shadow01 said:

Why not 2666 ? Do you think 2400 is enough ?

Because the laptop has 8GB 2400 out of the box. If you get 2666 both will run at 2400. Also Ryzen mobile can support max of 2400

1 minute ago, Shadow01 said:

I think the M.2 might be worth it for 40€ more

not worth imo


Feel free to ask for recommendations if you're looking for a new lappy!

 

My daily driver: Lenovo Legion Y530 [REVIEW]

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Laptop reviews: Check them out here

 

How to undervolt Intel/Nvidia laptops?

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My Phone: Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 (Snapdragon 625, 3GB RAM, 32GB ROM)

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4 minutes ago, GeneXiS_X said:

Because the laptop has 8GB 2400 out of the box. If you get 2666 both will run at 2400. Also Ryzen mobile can support max of 2400

not worth imo

Oh ok, I didn't know Ryzen only supported up to 2400 might consider that. I was thinking about swapping out the Ram stick it comes with and buying 2 new ones, however doesn't look like that's a good idea anymore.

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1 hour ago, Shadow01 said:

I was thinking about swapping out the Ram stick it comes with and buying 2 new ones, however doesn't look like that's a good idea anymore.

It should also work, but max is 2400MHz


Feel free to ask for recommendations if you're looking for a new lappy!

 

My daily driver: Lenovo Legion Y530 [REVIEW]

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Laptop reviews: Check them out here

 

How to undervolt Intel/Nvidia laptops?

Who is Clevo, Tongfang, Quanta?

 

My Phone: Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 (Snapdragon 625, 3GB RAM, 32GB ROM)

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