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Why OEMs are not upgrade friendly?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Why OEM PCs like pre-built Dells or HPs that come with good CPU but with 4 GB RAM and no GPU, Why that sort of PCs is often not upgrade friendly and sometimes buying them is a total loss, Because they most likely have a tiny space for a small  GPU, no 24 Pin connector motherboard, Special dimensions Power supplies etc... Like everything that doesn't allow you to upgrade the PC, So why are OEMs made like that? Why they just don't make them upgrade friendly?

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So people buy their "upgrades"

 


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Because they make money out of... you guessed it! More OEM proprietary stuff. If you want DYI practicality for upgrades, simply go DYI from start.

 

TL:DR for this whole thread question Why they just don't make them upgrade friendly? is MONEY/higher profits.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, QuantumBit said:

So people buy their "upgrades"

 

Do you even understand What I said? even if you buy upgrades you will not be allowed to equip it to your system, Unless you buy a new Motherboard and case and new power supply.

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Just now, InfinityVive said:

Do you even understand What I said? even if you buy upgrades you will not be allowed to equip it to your system, Unless you buy a new Motherboard and case and new power supply.

he meant that people will just buy a whole new computer from them

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Just now, InfinityVive said:

Do you even understand What I said? even if you buy upgrades you will not be allowed to equip it to your system, Unless you buy a new Motherboard and case and new power supply.

My bad, I worded that wrong

I meant they sell new PCs with upgraded parts


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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

Because they make money out of... you guessed it! More OEM proprietary stuff. If you want DYI practicality for upgrades, simply go DYI from start.

 

TL:DR for this whole thread question Why they just don't make them upgrade friendly? is MONEY/higher profits.

So they do that so you buy a new case-motherboard-power supply to just pair your CPU with a good GPU?

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1 minute ago, spartaman64 said:

he meant that people will just buy a whole new computer from them

Actually no, Who upgrades OEMs buys a new case-psu-motherboard from a third-party company.

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Just now, InfinityVive said:

Actually no, Who upgrades OEMs buys a new case-psu-motherboard from a third-party company.

thats not their target consumer they are selling to people who buy a new computer every time they upgrade

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4 minutes ago, InfinityVive said:

So they do that so you buy a new case-motherboard-power supply to just pair your CPU with a good GPU?

They do that because it's far cheaper to do that way, they do that because yes they want you to just go and buy a whole new PC when that one isn't cutting out any more like a laptop... they do that for a load of reasons that in the end of the day leads to one single thing "money".


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Just now, InfinityVive said:

So they do that so you buy a new case-motherboard-power supply to just pair your CPU with a good GPU?

Yeah, they would rather you  buy a whole new PC than upgrade it, and OEM's save on their cost of making the motherboard lack as many features as possible like 24 pin power,extra SATA connectors or extra RAM slots.

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3 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

thats not their target consumer they are selling to people who buy a new computer every time they upgrade

Well, I bought an OEM Dell optiplex 7020 4 Months ago, And well, I struggled really much to upgrade it, Had to cut the Hard-drive cage to insert my RX 570 8 GB, Had to cut a gab in the PSU cage to make the CX-550 PSU fit in, Had to buy an adapter 24 pin to 8 pin that roasted my PSU which made me have to get a new CX-550 and a compatible adapter, Was hell on earth to upgrade that PC pal...

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1 minute ago, InfinityVive said:

Was hell on earth to upgrade that PC pal...

Because they're not meant to be upgraded in that way.

 

The most you can really do with a lot of OEM systems is add one or two more drives, a low end GPU, and a little more memory.

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This is why people like to build themselves, you're in control of the flexibility your system will offer. 

Or buy from system integrators, that will use mainstream parts. 

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2 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Because they're not meant to be upgraded in that way.

 

The most you can really do with a lot of OEM systems is add one or two more drives, a low end GPU, and a little more memory.

Yep, Now I know that OEMs are scammers, a DIY PC with same specs would be much easier to do, I mean the Mobo is very very very very very very bad quality and the PSU is bad quality aswell with no 4 Pin connector for GPU, I think they expect you to use a Radeon HD 5450 with an i5-4590 xD (I am not joking, Before I found out what bottleneck means I was using Radeon HD 5450 with i5-4590)

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Just now, InfinityVive said:

Yep, Now I know that OEMs are scammers, a DIY PC with same specs would be much easier to do.

But OEM companies don't target the audience of people who build their own PCs every time and do DIY upgrades.

 

OEM companies target the group of people that would just rather buy a whole new PC every time.

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1 minute ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

But OEM companies don't target the audience of people who build their own PCs every time and do DIY upgrades.

 

OEM companies target the group of people that would just rather buy a whole new PC every time.

But upgrading OEM PCs is possible, But it will be hard af, Right?

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3 minutes ago, InfinityVive said:

Yep, Now I know that OEMs are scammers, a DIY PC with same specs would be much easier to do

Yes it would be easier to upgrade, but you know what it will also be much more?

Much more expensive. By cutting any feature that is not needed on the case, mobo, psu etc they are saving a lot of money. 

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1 minute ago, InfinityVive said:

But upgrading OEM PCs is possible, But it will be hard af, Right?

Not necessarily. It took me (at most) ten minutes to upgrade my Dell Optiplex with a dedicated video card and a new PSU.


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Just now, InfinityVive said:

But upgrading OEM PCs is possible, But it will be hard af, Right?

Most of the time, it's hard for anything more than basic upgrades with basic parts.

There are some exceptions.

 

Just because a company doesn't target your specific need doesn't make them scammers though, it's more of a problem of a consumer not fitting the target audience for their product. Like I said earlier, OEM companies target people who buy whole new PCs when they need an upgrade.

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Just now, Origami Cactus said:

Yes it would be easier to upgrade, but you know what it will also be much more?

Much more expensive. By cutting any feature that is not needed on the case, mobo, psu etc they are saving a lot of money. 

Not really since you will have to buy a new Mobo and PSU, Case so it's like the same price of a DIY rig.

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2 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

Not necessarily. It took me (at most) ten minutes to upgrade my Dell Optiplex with a dedicated video card and a new PSU.

What is that optiplex's model and specs? And what is the upgrade you did?

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1 minute ago, InfinityVive said:

Not really since you will have to buy a new Mobo and PSU, Case so it's like the same price of a DIY rig.

I mean saving a lot of money for the OEM's not you, the question was about why prebuilts are not upgrade friendly right?

 

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Because they use cheaper parts, in smaller cases, to force their customers to buy their higher end, more expensive models if they want to upgrade anything themselves in the future. That way they get more money from you, since after all, the less you can upgrade a computer from parts bought elsewhere, the more likely you'll be to buy a new computer from them.

In most cases, you'll still be able to upgrade the RAM and Storage without any issues, just like how you would with a regular laptop. But if you want to start switching the GPU, add a better CPU cooler, etc... You'll need to either 
a) Buy a pre-built with that in mind from the get go, meaning a big case and not one of those slim half height ones that you can do anything with.

b) Transfer the parts to a different case yourself and hope the mounting holes are ATX compatible.

 

Overall, it's still better than what Apple is doing, which is to put their own Apple specific firmware on nearly every pieces of hardware in their computers, so you have no choice but to go through them or their partners if you want to upgrade something and pay a "premium" for what is essentially the same piece of garbage hardware sold nearby for half the price but it's special because it is Apple certified, not to mention custom parts... which they may or may not even sell to you in the first place.


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