They said this would be easy... - 8K 60FPS GAMING!!

[nicklmg]

 

Buy Sharp TVs on Amazon: https://geni.us/Wl1w

[TheNaitsyrk]

3 minutes ago, nicklmg said:

 

Buy Sharp TVs on Amazon: https://geni.us/Wl1w

My rig could somewhat run this.

[mariushm]

Feels like you guys gave up too fast on AMD.

Also, did you go back and see if the control panel issue was caused by the displayport -> hdmi converters or not? nVidia cards also had issues until you got the displayport-hdmi cables.

 

[compactninja]

The problems with converters and adapters are that they don't run well with computers and cause glitches in the software, some come with a specific software they want you to download with the adapter/converter. I had the same issue when i was using a converter for my computer because my graphics card only supported 1 HDMI and 2 Display ports, when I bought the adapter, the graphics quality when down. I recently changed to HDMI to Display and it works better then ever. The issue must be with when it goes through the adapter/converter, the system may read the adapter/converter and not the HDMI.

[AnonymousGuy]

How many people know the "piece of crumb cake" reference is from Casper?

[CCGCastiel]

Hello, i was wondering if anyone had the link to buy the display port to hdmi cable used in the video, thanks a lot :)

[Streetguru]

For some reason AMD changed how eyefinity works recently and it's become a pain to set up an 8k config just running 4 inputs(with VSR) out of my RX 580.

[relaxation]

come back to this topic next gpu generation(?) to see how DLSS&RIS panned out for performance gains and a subjective quality comparison.

[xnamkcor]

How nice of Linus to hire a convict on probation.

[williamcll]

I think the issue is active convertors are buggy and the non-active cables sharp sent immediately tells the the card exactly what to do since recent GPUs can pass HDMI signals through a displayport. 

[Luscious]

An adapter is not the same as a cable because with an adapter it's performing a conversion - that process can throw off whatever it is you're attempting to connect from. I'm guessing with a cable it tells whatever you're connecting from what's going on on the other end.

 

Commercial displays are going to be like this - huge, multiple inputs and out-of-this-world prices. When Mitsubishi released the first QFHD (4K) panel maybe 12 years ago it had a price tag of $50,000, could only be seen at trade shows like SID and NAB and needed a PC with four dedicated graphics cards pushing 1080P each to four inputs on the monitor for it to work. It was a spectacular sight to see at the time with the slide show they had going (a bunch of high mega pixel photos they grabbed from Yun Photo). That's mostly the target use for these things - medical imagery, high res satellite scans, engineering schematics and other digitized static images where you want to be able to pick out the finest details.

 

Pushing 3D gaming graphics is an entirely different ball game. While you can in practical terms run a 4K 60Hz stream from a single card, have four of them in a single PC and each output feeding into a single 8K display, the result isn't true 8K graphics. This is where having 4-way SLI and crossfire could have shown some MASSIVE POTENTIAL with each card not only rendering that part of the final image, but outputting the result directly (instead of sending it back to a single main display output on the first card) and using the bridge to sync it all together. So the best we can do today is 2 way SLI with two outputs per card - no way near the graphics horsepower needed for a single 8K stream. Even with a rig with four Quadro RTX 8000 cards installed, you could do it...but because of that guy in the black leather jacket, you can't.

 

NVLink certainly has the potential to solve the issue - it's amazing what a pair of GV100's can do, But going back to the example of the Mitsubishi display, 8K will have to come down in price and become more widespread as well. I think part of the reason nvidia killed 3/4 way SLI is because they plan to do something better for gaming with nvlink in the future. They skipped Volta and Turing for now, but it's not unlikely 4 way setups will return to the consumer space. Look closely at a DGX Station and you will see that it has a very fancy 4-way nvlink bridge on it:

 

 

[sNowCat]

Glad i'm not the only one who has to fight with the nvidia surround control panel (See 14:00 to 14:40), it's cool when it wants to work, a pain when it doesn't. I've been running three 1440p displays in Surround for 2 years now on a 1080 ti, and can't remember a time when the control panel wasn't broken.

[Swikanth]

i have successfully did 4 1080p mosaic with nvidia m4000 using dp to dvi active cable.

btw can anyone link the active dp to hdmi adapter and the dp to hdmi direct cable product ?

[ianspy1]

7 hours ago, sNowCat said:

Glad i'm not the only one who has to fight with the nvidia surround control panel (See 14:00 to 14:40), it's cool when it wants to work, a pain when it doesn't. I've been running three 1440p displays in Surround for 2 years now on a 1080 ti, and can't remember a time when the control panel wasn't broken.

I love the fairly new feature of maximising windows on one screen while keeping up the surround settup (6050x1080)

[SolarNova]

20 hours ago, nicklmg said:

 

Buy Sharp TVs on Amazon: https://geni.us/Wl1w

When will you be getting equipment and using methodologies to make 'real' reviews on displays ?

 

It would have been nice to see LMG do a 'proper' review of this 8k TV.

I.E

Uniformity, both black and grey.

Pixel response times (not a single figure)

Input latency

Color accuracy

pre calibration & post calibration

Color gamut

Viewing angles

Contrast

Brightness

etc

 

I get that in this instance the vid was more about 8k resolution and if it can be done, but u've got a 8K TV there you can review, and it would be nice to see a 'proper' review in the future and not just a 'unboxing type' review where manufacturer specs are regurgitated.

[Princess Luna]

19 hours ago, mariushm said:

Feels like you guys gave up too fast on AMD.

Well if the Radeon 7 supported Crossfire then maybe, but as is AMD has no graphics card that could be adequate for this project in the regards of performance.

[Manny Cardoso]

18 hours ago, CCGCastiel said:

Hello, i was wondering if anyone had the link to buy the display port to hdmi cable used in the video, thanks a lot :)

We actually supplied the cables from Lin Haw International in BC. Unfortunately I believe they only sell to Pro AV suppliers/ Display manufacturers. I would assume those cables are easy to find online thou.

[TechyBen]

16 hours ago, Luscious said:

An adapter is not the same as a cable because with an adapter it's performing a conversion - that process can throw off whatever it is you're attempting to connect from. I'm guessing with a cable it tells whatever you're connecting from what's going on on the other end.

 

Commercial displays are going to be like this - huge, multiple inputs and out-of-this-world prices. When Mitsubishi released the first QFHD (4K) panel maybe 12 years ago it had a price tag of $50,000, could only be seen at trade shows like SID and NAB and needed a PC with four dedicated graphics cards pushing 1080P each to four inputs on the monitor for it to work. It was a spectacular sight to see at the time with the slide show they had going (a bunch of high mega pixel photos they grabbed from Yun Photo). That's mostly the target use for these things - medical imagery, high res satellite scans, engineering schematics and other digitized static images where you want to be able to pick out the finest details.

 

Pushing 3D gaming graphics is an entirely different ball game. While you can in practical terms run a 4K 60Hz stream from a single card, have four of them in a single PC and each output feeding into a single 8K display, the result isn't true 8K graphics. This is where having 4-way SLI and crossfire could have shown some MASSIVE POTENTIAL with each card not only rendering that part of the final image, but outputting the result directly (instead of sending it back to a single main display output on the first card) and using the bridge to sync it all together. So the best we can do today is 2 way SLI with two outputs per card - no way near the graphics horsepower needed for a single 8K stream. Even with a rig with four Quadro RTX 8000 cards installed, you could do it...but because of that guy in the black leather jacket, you can't.

 

NVLink certainly has the potential to solve the issue - it's amazing what a pair of GV100's can do, But going back to the example of the Mitsubishi display, 8K will have to come down in price and become more widespread as well. I think part of the reason nvidia killed 3/4 way SLI is because they plan to do something better for gaming with nvlink in the future. They skipped Volta and Turing for now, but it's not unlikely 4 way setups will return to the consumer space. Look closely at a DGX Station and you will see that it has a very fancy 4-way nvlink bridge on it:

 

 

Some adapters are "passive" and purely cable routing swaps. Just remember not all adaptors/cables are created equally.

[pApA^LeGBa]

Right now i´d rather see some X570 motherboard testing than a TV that pretty much no one can afford and/or has the hardware to use it as a gaming display. 

[Luscious]

7 hours ago, TechyBen said:

Some adapters are "passive" and purely cable routing swaps. Just remember not all adaptors/cables are created equally.

I was trying to avoid getting into the passive/active argument because that would only have made it more confusing But you are correct. Even something as trivial as cable LENGTH can make or break things.

[TechyBen]

8 hours ago, Luscious said:

I was trying to avoid getting into the passive/active argument because that would only have made it more confusing But you are correct. Even something as trivial as cable LENGTH can make or break things.

Made it more confusing?

 

"I tried to avoid the mustard vs chocolate sauce argument because that would make it more confusing... just put sauce on the ice cream, honest it always makes it better".

 

They are really important to make a definition and distinction between active and passive cables/adaptors!

 

PS, I've had cable length and... yes direction break things too (was a directional HDMI cable of all things... whoops).

[TheProfosist]

what no link to the fancy special cable?

[Manny Cardoso]

5 hours ago, TheProfosist said:

what no link to the fancy special cable?

https://www.linhawstore.com/shop/product/displayport-1-2-m-to-hdmi-m-digital-video-cable-3457?search=display+port+to+hdmi

 

I don't think it is a special cable just high quality.

[williamcll]

Adding to the discussion above, I believe all recent gpus (at least for my RTX 2080Ti) supports Passive DP->HDMI conversion.

[Brad Man]

On 7/21/2019 at 1:17 PM, CCGCastiel said:

Hello, i was wondering if anyone had the link to buy the display port to hdmi cable used in the video, thanks a lot

This is likely the cable they provided https://www.pccableworld.com/findus.html

https://www.smi-elec.com/product/00/vc782g/DISPLAY-PORT-M-TO-HDMI-M-6-DIGITAL-VIDEO-CABLE

 

Probably ordering a couple of these cable soon as we have the same issue with a computer and display layout.

 

Edit - Linus Media should carry the VC782G in their store for resell, not a common cable outside of Western Canada